QB Bills

What, no Stevie Johnson references yet?

He's not any good. That's what's wrong with him. He just looked decent because nobody else we have playing QB is any good either.

I don't think Cleveland takes a QB at 4. I believe they are very bullish on Hoyer. He looked pretty good last year until he got Kiko smashed. Imagine they take Watkins and pair him next to Josh Gordon? Look out!

How is that possible? She is a Canadian singing legend.

At which point he will get a concussion adjusting the driver's seat.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/50122/free-agent-jairus-byrd If it wasn't for sure before, read through some of his responses here. He's gone.

What is so hard to understand? He is just doing his job and he's good at it. He gets his client what the Bills won't give. This is a career for these players. They don't owe the Bills anything. Your anger is misdirected, folks. From what I've seen, if I was an nfl player, I'd love to have this guy as my agent.

I'm skeptical about this. WGR is useless when it comes to inside info. And Whaley has implied on record that they won't let him leave for nothing.

Andy Levitre ring a bell? Wasn't that long ago. As for them making tough decisions because they're up against the cap...I, and many other fans, would welcome that quandary.

This thread is full of people who buy into these self imposed restrictions the bills place on themselves. Fact is, they can spend up to the cap and still be profitable. That means paying Byrd. Paying Aaron Williams next year. Paying whoever. They just choose not to. Don't believe the hype folks.

According to Schefter, the cap is going up to $150m in two years. Sign Byrd!

this guy agrees

Really wish the Bills are able to snag him. I hated seeing Patrick Willis and Luke Kuechly picked in the draft slots right before us. Would love to have him and Kiko wreak havoc for years on that defense.

I don't know about that. The last time this happened, a punter ran in a fake for a touchdown. That was pretty embarrassing.

How much would he command? He's been a pretty good player historically, so I can see some team offering him quite a bit. As stated above, sign him and Byrd and the defense looks quite formidable.

You realize a few of us on the board were asked to take the browns coaching job before they offered it to pettine. Pretty sure they force him to sit down and pee when he uses the facilities at the stadium too. I seriously doubt he'll have any say on trading the 4th overall pick.

Our receivers are good. Shore up the line, get a good TE (maybe Moeaki is the guy), and start throwing deep more than once a game. The Bills play offense like its 1985.

Video from the bills locker room.

He's not. He was open all year. Our QBs just suck.

I hear you, but I think as fans of a team, we sometimes have an inflated or deflated sense of a player's worth. Perhaps I'm overrating Stevie in the same way I believe you are underrating him, as I'm a huge fan of his and I actually love his personality. I also think he's an excellent player. The problem is that, like I've stated earlier, his best attributes are not easily quantifiable. He's not exceptionally tall, strong, or fast. But his ability to create separation and get open is among the best in the league and unless a player is a total mismatch (which you can say for maybe 4 or 5 players in the league), that is the top attribute to have for a receiver, in my opinion. People point out him throwing up his hands after that pass by Tuel, but fail to point out him running after the Colts DB and stripping him of the ball and recovering it late in the 4th quarter last year after yet another horrible Fitz pick. That doesn't fit the narrative of him coming up small in big moments, so its conveniently glossed over. At the end of the day, a WR can't throw the ball to himself. His production is dependent on the QB and scheme. I don't think you'll find many people who would say Larry Fitzgerald isn't an elite receiver. But look at his stats over the last five years. He's had one year of 1400+ but the rest of the time, he's been just above or below 1000. And then look at his stats when Kurt Warner was his QB. If you put Stevie Johnson on that Denver team in 2012 when Peyton Manning gets there, and Eric Decker was here, we're not having this conversation.

Now Eric Decker is better than Stevie too? What is wrong with bills fans?

I couldn't agree more. The guy is in way over his head. And that video is hilariously spot on. Never seen it before but what an apt example!

Where's the option for 19? :-[

This is just wrong on every level. He hadn't missed a game until this year. The last two were not injury related anyway. And only the simplest of observers would think his lack of production is due to anything other than the trainwreck at qb.

Therein lies the question. Would they prefer to pay out more actual dollars and have more cap room by keeping Stevie? Or pay less actual dollars and have less cap room when they sign some jobber to replace him for 3m a year? It's the Bills. So I don't have a good feeling about this.