QB Bills

For that matter, Graham gets a lot of hate on here, but he also was running open all season long. I don't think he's as tough or sure handed as Goodwin, but our QBs could never hit him in stride.

I've been rewatching some of the games and my God is Goodwin fast. It's hard to appreciate at first glance. He seems to have good hands too. I really think we found a diamond in the rough here. They just need to get him the ball. I think John Murphy said it best...it looks like he's about go airborne when he starts accelerating.

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You need to rewatch that last drive you keep referencing. And then buy a Fred Jackson jersey.

Word at the time was that Denver wanted Miller regardless because they had taken Tebow in round one the year before. No joke. Just goes to show you the plight of a Bills fan. We miss out on Cam because of Luck staying in school. Denver didn't even want Newton because they had Tebow. Peyton Manning gets hurt and Indy finishes last and drafts Luck. Denver signs Manning. It's almost comical.

Please. Fred Jackson won them that game on the last drive. Everything was a checkdown and Fred made all the right plays driving down the field, including purposely dropping one to stop the clock. I do remember Manuel unnecessarily whipping the ball to CJ who was five yards away and wide open. The ball obviously bounced off him and landed exactly where no defender was. He got very lucky on the drive everyone points to. And people also conveniently point to his apparent clutch play in the Atlanta game and leave out how he threw a horrible pass into a defenders arms that was dropped right before Stevie got stripped on the last drive. Sorry to break it to some of you but EJ sucked pretty badly last year. It's ok to acknowledge that and still have hope that he can be a good qb in the future. It's been done before.

Andrew Luck really screwed us by not declaring that year. We would have had Cam Newton.

We have talent everywhere except for coach and qb. Unfortunately the two places you need it most. Hopefully Manuel steps it up this season or all this offseason chatter will be for nothing.

Unless he's bringing Matt Ryan with him, what does it matter if he reminds people of Julio Jones. If the Bills really are going to sink or swim with Manuel, then get some oline help or just draft for the defense. Our skill position players are actually quite good compared to the rest of the league.

How about the last place team get the first 53 picks, the second gets the next 53, and so on? That's almost 1700 picks. Pretty sure a couple of tbd posters could get selected that way too.

That was a nice grab in the corner though.

I agree. But perhaps not for the same reason. I think we are more than adequate at WR. More than adequate at every skill position on the offense for that matter. Other than the one that matters most of course. This offense - and team for that matter - hinges on how ej performs. O-line or Aaron Donald please. Assuming they won't pick a qb regardless.

I love that this discussion comes up every off-season and then Freddy goes out and kicks ass again and again. He doesn't fit into this little box of football assumptions that many of you can't see outside of so it's always "ok, THIS is finally the year he slows down". I say pay the guy 5 million bucks a year for as long as he is able to keep playing. It's not my money and it's not like we'll ever be close to the cap. He's been one of the only reasons to watch the Bills the last few seasons and he's earned it, in my opinion.

If pun intended...very cheeky.

I'm with you man. The guy is the worst receiver in the history of football. I'm including the cfl too. We had a supernova at qb by the name of Ryan Fitzpatrick and wasted all his talent by saddling him with this scrub as his #1 receiver. Everytime I think of this wasted opportunity, I get this queasy feeling, pass some gas, and have a cigarette in your honour, curitibia.

Are you sure that's it? What about Easley? He just needs a chance to start. Hogan too. He's always open. Don't sleep on Kauffman...he's a total wild card. All these guys are so obviously at least equal to Stevie if not better. They make way less money and they don't rap and have as many tattoos. Actually, if you really think about it, can anyone honestly say for sure that Brian moorman couldn't be a better receiver than Stevie? How do you really know?

You are assuming a lot here. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, and I'm not saying you're right. What I'm saying is that it is enough to go by just facts and conclude that not re-signing him was a bad move. It is not a fact that: 1. he wasn't committed to what the bills are doing 2. the money was used to upgrade the team - if you look at the alternative of not signing those guys and franchising him 3. holding him hostage would cause problems in the locker room 4. byrd wanted to go to a winner (maybe he just wanted to get paid..all hypothetical) 5. byrd didn't want to re-sign (he stated he wanted to test FA and was open to re-signing with the bills) Also, please give me some examples where a team (preferably one with a competent FO) let go of an all-pro for nothing even though they could have franchised him and didn't have a blue-chipper waiting in the wings to replace him. Fact remains, this team is worse off without him, and they let him walk for nothing when they didn't have to.

Take it easy there buddy. Not sure why you're drunk on a Monday night/Tuesday morning but I hope you're alright. I agree that there haven't been any reliable reports of how much the Bills offered him. The three year 30m offer was just a rumour that was in fact hinted at being false by Byrd's camp if I recall. I don't think the Bills offered him a better deal than the Saints did, especially not last year, but that's just reading between the lines and guessing on my part. What I'm saying is that they should have franchised him. It gave them more time to work out a deal, either with him or another team, if they were inclined to do so. Regardless, you want facts...here are a couple: 1. Everyone is so sure he was feigning injury, yet he also wanted to play in the Cleveland game but our genius coach kept him out. 2. We will have more than 8.3m in cap space or could have easily made that room this year (byrds franchise number) 3. Byrd at that price for 5 games (which again is just conjecture on anyone's part) is still better than LETTING HIM WALK FOR NOTHING!!!! He is a really good player and could have made a difference even in those 5 games. Especially if we like to believe that the Bills are going to push for a wild card spot this year. 4. This so-called message it sends by keeping a player who wants to leave (which he also never stated) isn't any worse than the message it sends when you let a player dictate his future even though you hold the cards. Ok, number 4 is more of an opinion not a fact. But you see my point. If you take emotion out if this and strictly look at it in black and white terms of winning football games, this was a stupid move by the Bills. Any defense of it, and you're just making excuses for them.

Only stupid teams pay safeties that much money. Would sure hate to be a Seahawks fan right now. They should have let him walk and let another idiotic team sign him like the Saints did with Byrd. Then replace him with a cheap scrub like the Bills are going to do. Enjoy your super bowl and exciting team for years to come, you clowns. Just know you'll never feel the joy of unused cap space like we do.

Freddie + CJ = #1. Imagine we had a qb on this team...

"Fred's getting up there. We should look to draft his replacement this year." - Bills fans, every offseason since 2009

he dropped a couple against Seattle, but I agree with your general idea He's better than most people think. Always running open, yet the qb can't get him the ball.

Trent Edwards. In my defense, any qb that we would have picked would have had me elated after watching Jp losman.

huh? What do you want him to be then? Last time I checked, you want your qb to be able to pass the ball.

didn't Cam Newton throw for 4000 yards in each of his first two seasons? Not sure that's a good comparison.