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I'm not sure numbers wise but I see what you are saying. I know training camp was never the issue/mess that it is now before things took off and the Bills became perennial contenders. I remember going to training camp in 2019 and it wasn't the hassle that it is now. Not sure if you are local in WNY right now but it reminds me of Artpark in Lewiston. They used to do this free concert series every Tuesday night no tickets or anything required. You could just show up and hang out, it was great! Then one Summer they started bringing in bigger bands like ZZ Top and Lynyrd Skynyrd and it just became a madhouse and more people were attending than the facility was built to accommodate. Total s***show. The following year they started requiring you to buy tickets to this concert series.

Brown goes to a creative writing workshop for a week, to come up with pithy phrases to use during broadcasts. 😁

It you can't get excited about watching the team that's going to win the Super Bowl, you can't get excited about much of anything.

"It was like a BIG apple pie..."

Smiley

this would have been around 2014, I think. Marrone era. I think the Steelers now have a free ticket system, but you can get them easily. I could get 6 right now. I loved going to camp last year in Rochester. But I literally had to win the lottery for something that should be easy and free.

you laugh t yourself?😃

They take a bit of time off every year around this time.

What I was getting at is that it seemed like they let in more people prior to the lottery system, but I could be wrong. Meaning they could offer more than 1,000 tickets.

Maybe controversial, but I’m not sure I’d include Pike. He was great for sure, but I’mnot sure he was great enough to make it as a wedge buster. Steve Tasker is not up for debate, so I won’t bother debating him. Agree on Brian Moorman - he was legitimately the team’s best player for a few years. And while that’s a damning condemnation of the offensive and defensive talent at the time, Moorman was nevertheless special as a punter. He’s a lock for me. I think you could make a strong case for Steve Christie, but I’m not sure I’d make it. He’s in the same category as Pike for me - worthy, but maybe not one of the 4 most worthy. I think there’s got to be at least 1 return man for me. McKelvin could’ve had a shot if he wasn’t such a bonehead. Roscoe Parrish is fairly up there. I think I’m forgetting someone else, but it probably doesn’t matter, because my pick is Terrance McGee. He was my guy! And his 98-yard non-TD as the half expired remains the single best on-field metaphor for the Bills. Okay, no other names are jumping out at me, so I guess it’s between Pike and Christie for me (until Bass hits a game winner in the Super Bowl). And… my guy says Steve Christie, welcome to my personal Bills Special Teams Mount Rushmore! Now to find a mountain and get started.

I'm not sure. But I'm sure behind the scenes they have the logistics of it all figured out. There's no way they could leave it open without having a cap on attendants with the popularity of the team right now. And yeah it totally sucks that some people get screwed by not being able to get tickets to it, but what other way can you distribute tickets besides having some type of lottery? I stand by my original point that is is impossible to accommodate everybody that wants to attend training camp with a ticket. Keep in mind the tickets are free so there is a whole other pool of people trying to go that might not attend games because of the financials and how much smaller the seating area is at Fisher v.s. Highmark stadium and think about how many Bills fans are out there. It's easy to say they can make it where everybody has a chance to get tickets if they want to do but impossible to execute. Yeah that would be ideal but camp was commercialized a long time ago, even before Allen showed up

A fool and his money... Are teams not required to withhold taxes?

Post Big Ben?

The most American thing there is just so happens to be the belief in personal responsibility. Can't wait for their consequences. You expected these idiots to link that on their own? I'm not completely convinced they aren't bots. There is no way they can be this dumb. Unless it's Mike Schopp and Jeremy White moonlighting.

the problem is the current set up and the commercialization of camp. Let’s Go back to some place like Fredonia with endless fields and parking and people can come and go easily. I was at Steelers camp a few years back when the Bills practiced there, and that’s how it was. No tickets and you just roam around.

What, no Tom Dempsey? 🫠

I mean if you make this Mt a 5 spot then I think you just nailed it Sir

Björck! Björck! Björck!

They cap it at 1,000 tickets now. I wonder if they went over that prior to the lottery era?

In most sports these days the refs have as much say as the players playing in the outcome of games. Basketball is almost unwatchable with the ticky tacky calls and the garbage in football is even worse. Besides pitching much of baseballs calls are spot on I find.

Since at least 2019...

Tasker - Gunner Christie - Kicker Moorman - Punter McGee - Returner Pike - Mt Rushmore isn't complete without him so this Mt has 5.

I get that point and don't condone that behavior at all. I was able to get 6 tickets but at the time there were two maybe's in our group and I was going to give those two tickets away to someone trying to take their child if they backed out but they have since confirmed they are in as well. My original point being there is such a high demand because of the popularity of the Josh Allen era Bills that they could not just open it up to the general public without requiring tickets because the facilities would not be able to support that large of a crowd. Like all of the primetime games we all can't stand now it's another one of those unfortunate angles to being a true contender with a marquee superstar at the helm of it.

I once had 2 extra tickets to camp several years ago. Found someone on Craigslist I think looking for 2 tickets. I contacted him and gave them to him for free. He must have thought I was scamming him because he asked me why I wasn't asking him for money. I hope he used them.