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Its the point that finding a franchise Qb is extremely hard to do. And the bills more than a franchise QB. that is why the poverty franchises are where they are. (Exemption browns. Browns are going to brown) In the season they fired dorsey McD ran the defense. That same year we lost to the Broncos due to a coaching lapse. Made mac Jones look like vintage brady l, lost to phili in overtime with hurts quoting "I cant believe they lined up in that defense" (paraphrasing but extremely close.) Also that was the same year that Tyrod made two dumb choices and lost the game for the giants. That defense that McD had full control of that year had the same problems years prior and after regardless of coordinator. If McDermotts defense is so good why has no one on the defensive side of the ball got hired as a head coach? James Cook is really really good. Him and Allen benifit each other as much as lamar and Henry( not this year) Its nice to have a balanced O. But miss me on the whole a good running game is important. KC has proven otherwise. To think theres 0% chance we cant get better by moving on from McD is silly. I think he's a great guy. I think he's a good coach that has had a scoring machine as a qb. McD is 94-47. Atleast 25 of those wins came from our division that couldn't find a QB. I truly hope McD can break us through. If he's Marty 2.0 or Lewis 2.0 , we'll then, unfortunately the only people that will think JA was one of the best QBs to take the field this generation would only be bills fans.

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I bet she's a real barrel of monkeys at a party.

The only problem with Kincade is that Brady pulls him off the field after he makes a catch. Reid would never pull Kelce off the field after he made a catch in his prime. After putting the defense in bad positions, a wr would break open for a TD. Brady has got to learn how to use his best weapons.

I strongly feel the Bills should be using Dalton Kinkaid much more than they are—he is my Fantasy team's TE. No more everybody eats, feed DK more!

Ive always loved the standing buffalo, especially with the blue uni. Best uniform in sports history! F Dallas, we are Americas team with the Red White and Blue.

I 100% agree! Give Army a try. We know what Spector can and cannot do—let's hope he is only PS insurance.

Kincaid is either stepping up or the rest of the team is stepping down. You pick..

Kinkaid really thrived with play action. If we are gonna be running it so often, then we should also use play action more often. and why isn’t Shakir on the field more? He is our best wr. It feels like he is rarely out there. Start using him outside! He is so quick and shifty I don’t see why he couldn’t play outside.

Jumping in to mention Sayin. He reminds me of Joe Montana: similar build, great decisions, great accuracy, very cool demeanor. I’m very impressed so far.

Just opined in the other thread that I feel Hawes and Kincaid should both be used ahead of Knox. If Hawes was used in a similar fashion to Beasely in finding holes in the zone and sitting down he’d make a heck of a big target and I already like his hands better than Knox. We aren’t finding outside speed on this team. Josh is better at hitting a spot than outside downfield passes.

That's much more about how many passes each guy is getting than it is about how long the plays are. This is what yardage stats (and completion stats) look like in an all you can eat offense. Target stats look like this: T-#44 Shakir T-#44 Coleman #62 Kincaid #104 Palmer Palmer and Kincaid in particular are making a lot of yards for the amount of targets they're getting. More specifically, in Yards Per Catch (YPC): #22 Palmer #25 Kincaid #70 Coleman #71 Shakir

My point is that I don’t think Brady is planning a whole lot of down field passing based upon Allen’s lack of accuracy.

And of those only Houston was even arguably a team of comparable standard. The way this latest one is different is I was at the London game and Josh sucked, and Houston last year Josh sucked. He threw a bad pick on Monday and didn't play his best game by any stretch but he didn't suck. Previously it has taken Josh playing really poorly to lose those games. The worry is this roster lost with Josh playing okay. Their secondary is a major, major issue right now. I think if you told anyone before the year Benford was gonna play as poorly as he has that would have been entirely predictable.

Kincaid, Moore, Palmer and Samuel all have plenty of down field catches behind them. No, none is a deep threat specialist. It certainly wouldn't be bad to have one of those around. But we've got guys who can do it. For instance, he threw four deep ball against the Pats and completed two. That's not bad for twenty yards or more, the completion percentages are always low for passes with longer air yards. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/single/all/team/2025/week/josh-allen/ALL529264 I know there have been, in earlier games, instances where guys were open long but Josh quickly went to the short sure thing. Which I personally don't have a problem with if it keeps the chains moving.

Agreed. Offense should center around Shakir and Kincaid. This “everybody eats” philosophy is not working as well as it did in the past. I feel like you put the ball in the hands of the playmakers. Also, I feel like Cook should be used more in the passing game too. These are the most dynamic skill players. So get them the ball.

Everybody’s gotta plan until you get punched in the mouth. When the everybody eats stuff aint working, it’s gotta be Cook, Kincaid, and Shakir. Honestly, that should’ve been the gameplan going into the Pats game. I understand spreading it around and not showing all your cards against the weaker teams, but it really felt like we gave that game away with a horrible 1st half offensive gameplan.

one more observation if someone hasn't said this before. this is the third straight year where the team lost in week 5. all three years, they scored EXACTLY 20 points lost 25-20 in jacksonville week 5 2023 lost 23-20 houston week 5 2024 lost to patriots 23-20 week 5 2025

I thought it was interesting seeing the Pats "spinning into eight man coverage," initially confounding Josh, but seeing Kincaid quickly figure out how he can be QB-friendly in that situation. (13:00) Interesting also seeing (4:45) where he makes a case that Josh took the lower-percentage shot giving Coleman a contested catch shot where the CB has him partly stacked and Josh doesn't give him a back-shoulder ball. Eric argues that a shorter pass to Kincaid would probably have made the 1st.

Yep. And it shouldn’t be a mystery why we have no down field threat really other than Davis.

Moving on from the status quo will likely only waste more of Allen’s window. a new coach will want his own staff. Who else gets fired? It will take time to adjust. New plays called and developed. New systems installed. New ideas etc. Wanting different personnel. Fingers crossed the new coach gets it all right. Clocks ticking on Allen too. All sounds good, but this doesn’t happen overnight. It takes time to build. And the odds are you WONT get it right. McD and crew have us right on the brink. Outside of a sb appearance, McD has put forth a highly successful team year in year out. I’d advise staying the course. Turnover of the head coach and/or Beane will set this franchise up for huge failure and disappointment. Same could be said for sticking with the current regime, but man, we’re so close. And it’s not like some amazingly talented, experienced coach is just hanging around out there waiting on a call from the Bills. Ron Rivera anyone? Riding with McD.

While I agree with much of this, there certainly are other ways to run better routes than to "get quicker feet to run sharper routes." You can adjust mechanics, you can adjust timing on cuts, you can learn to gently and imperceptibly push off or do a better job of boxing out ... there are a ton of ways to get better at this. It's not clear what will happen. Certainly it's correct that he might pretty much stay the same guy. Or stay the same guy in terms of separation but win more contested catches as he seemed to do in camp. Or get better at separation. We'll have to see. You're right that some guys improve a ton, and some guys just don't. Yeah, I'd certainly agree, but an extension could be worked out so as to make things easier to swallow for the Bills. I'm sure Knox is aware that many think he is overpaid. I'm hopeful they can find a way to come together. I like how he's looked this year and I like how the multiple TE offenses have looked as well. I'm hoping we start to see even more variations and tendency breakers come out of those formations, as well as just the effects of the extra beef.

Well, if I'm a Keon Truther, what are you? A Keon liar? I wouldn't have used that word if it weren't the opposite of what you used. I don't think of you as a liar, so you know, but I don't appreciate what you called me either. So, if I went back on your posts about Keon, none would mention Thomas or McConkey? If so, you're a bit unusual for folks with your point of view. Do I agree he has failed to meet expect expectations? Not particularly. I think having expectations this early is fairly unreasonable. Has he met my hopes? No. But he was injured last year, and still had a pretty solid year for a rookie. And we're only on week five of his second year. By the end of the year he might easily be having a great year. Or not. Too small a sample. No, he has neither met nor disappointed expectations yet. Too early to know, reasonably, so early in his second year while they work out what they are on offense after spending most of his rookie year unable to squeeze with one hand.

What don't some of you understand that it's a team sport and all facets matter? In 2023, a God at QB named Josh Allen was 6-6, throwing to Stephon Diggs and about to lose the division to the 9-3 Miami Dolphins. Instead, this HC FIRED the OC in Ken Dorsey and replaced him with Joe Brady. Now what did that mean? It meant that the offensive structure of pass first and pass, pass, pass, as it was under Brian Daboll, was no longer working, and NFL defenses had adapted to that style of Buffalo offense being one-dimensional. Now, since Joe Brady has taken over the Buffalo offense, it has become a more run-oriented attack, which has helped Josh Allen become a better NFL QB with fewer turnovers. Currently, the 2025 Buffalo Bills, after week five, are #3 overall on offense. #1 in rushing attempts, #2 in rushing yards, #2 in rushing TDs. Meanwhile, #20 in passing yards, #11 in passing TDs. What this means is that Buffalo is so good at running the ball with RB James Cook, they are second in the league in running with Cook only behind Indy and Jonathan Taylor. In passing, they are 9th, in receiving, they are 46th with Kahil Shakir...why? Because "everybody eats," meaning that all the Bills' receivers will see the ball in a game. While I also love #17, he is not the end-all, be-all, as it's a more balanced offense now. Last season, the 2024 Buffalo Bills were the #1 scoring team in the NFL, playoffs included. They just ran into a better team at their end of the season and had some injuries in the secondary. They also had very little pass rush, pressure, and Buffalo's defense was 29th in 3rd downs allowed. Buffalo was 13-4, but alas, the KC Chiefs were 15-2, and they had home-field advantage. Bottom line, the 2024 Buffalo Bills led the NFL in takeaways at +24 and yet only had one turnover from KC. The Bills couldn't get the Chiefs off the field on 3rd down. Plus, in the playoffs against the Kansas City Chiefs in January 2025, the Buffalo Bills sustained injuries to Christian Benford (concussion) Starter, who was ruled out after the AFC Championship game, and Taylor Rapp (hip) Starter, who was ruled out for the same game due to a hip injury in the previous round. Backup CB Kaiir Elam was burned badly in this game, and the Bills started a rookie at Safety. Those defensive injuries and the lack of pressure on the QB and the inability to get the opposing offense off the field on 3rd down are the reasons the Bills went heavy on the defensive side of the ball this offseason. Currently, Buffalo is dealing with suspensions to two D-line players and some injuries to rookies in their secondary. Things should look better after the bye week. Have some patience.