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Been talked about to death in the Gabe thread. Many fans (like myself) don't mind kicking the tires on a vet minimum in camp, but he's not likely to be a difference maker as he wasn't capable of being a WR2 when he was here. Some fans just don't think he has anything and isn't even worth a 90 man roster spot. Personally given that I don't think a 90 man roster spot is that valuable why not kick the tires?

Yes, they did the smart cap thing and smart way to run a franchise. But I would have sacrificed one D slot this season and a next season pick to bring in DK. The level he could elevate the offense, would have made a huge difference. He would have been Allens Kelcie. And made the O near un-stopable. Not saying they can't get it down with what we got. I have a feeling Moore is going to have a good year. And Keon will continue to improve.

No different than why they bring any min vet in after the draft competition. A lot of potential in the room without a lot of production.

Got it. I had to re-read it. Oddly worded but I understand now.

I've heard some of the same speculation, and I'm with you on Carter. From the way Beane was talking in post-draft, it sounds like Carter is going to "move" to primarily 1tech instead of primarily 3tech. Sanders and Ogunjobi are primarily 3techs, per Beane. Walker is a little different in that he played more 3tech in college but it sounds like the Bills want him to play more 1tech for them, maybe. But in any case, they need at least 2 guys capable of adequately playing 1tech on early downs. If Carter just bombs out, then sure he might be cut. I don't see that as super likely, and frankly it's bad business to cut a 3rd-round pick in year 2 unless you're certain he can't play. Regarding Jones, any cap implications if he's cut in week 6? His salary would be guaranteed by then, so Pegula would have to eat that, but that aspect doesn't impact the cap.

Gabe is probably the 2nd best WR currently available behind Keenan Allen. He will likely get offers far and away higher than what we could offer. They said maybe the Steelers would be interested as a Pickens replacement

I like Palmer, Moore and Samuel. Gabe has been a more productive NFL receiver than all 3. Coleman of 2024 is a worse player than Gabe Davis or 2022 & 2023. Again, I’m not advocating for or against Gabe but there is nothing to support that those guys are better than him at this point other than hope. It’s fine to be optimistic but to be like, “we don’t need Gabe because we have Josh Palmer & Elijah Moore” is crazy.

Steelers if I had to guess probably had this trade locked in prior to the draft but were either negotiating the fine lines (do you swap a 5th for a 6th or a 6th for a 7th) or simply held off on announcing the trade because both teams wanted to keep it a secret from the other 30 teams during the draft process in case the Steelers wanted to draft a WR and the Cowboys were probably fine with letting teams think they might want to draft one. Probably some level of gamesmenship. Also the cap situation after the draft may have been a bit murky so maybe sort out what you have cap wise and then make the trade official.

I'm pretty sure the OP's point is that as soon as Davis became available, many Bills fans started saying we are all set at WR, don't need him, etc.. Hence he immediately "made the wide receiver room better".

True the Bills OL is also very good. I meant 2nd best player on offense at the skill positions.

I'm not saying you're wrong here. All I will say is Cook made things public using his socials. He brought it to the fans and the public in general. I think it natural that fans would react, and given the platform (social media) the reactions are often super dramatic and carried on (which is to your point) I believe.

I am pretty sure many/most mean he is the 2nd best skill player on the offense, weapon, and likely on the team. I agree with that, and that he is not easily replaceable, which is clearly the opposite of so many who are indicating we should 'let him walk'.

Honestly, It boils down to what Josh wants. If he wants to bring him back he will talk Beane into it as Beane likely doesn't need too much convincing. Brandon LOVES him some Gabe Davis.

DK would have been an amazing addition but cap wise I just don't think that would have been possible or prudent. It also would have cost significant draft capital. I think the Bills plan at WR is going to be to roll with what they have (maybe kick the tires on Gabe in camp too) and then if the offense like in 2024 is a bit sputtering due to lack of talent at WR then make a trade in season where cap numbers are much more manageable due to teams having already paid out bonuses and part of the seasons salary. It's a smart plan to make a few mid-level to lower mid-level acquisitions at WR (Palmer and Moore) who fit what the Bills need and bank on a bounce back from Kincaid who will hopefully be healthy (Samuel might also produce more as he is likely healthier) and continued development from Keon in year two coming off a nice rookie year. Then if that doesn't work 5-6 weeks in you can look at the trade market where teams off to 1-2 win starts after 5-6 weeks will be more willing to sell WR's.

This false statement is getting repeated far too often. Cook is somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best player on the Bills offense, factoring in our offensive linemen. In my opinion, Josh is (no surprise) #1. Dion Dawkins is #2. From there, it is very debatable, with Spencer Brown and Connor McGovern in play. The "pay Cook" and "2nd best on offense" mantra is a Fantasy football and Madden mentality. He is very good, and I hope we keep him at a manageable cap hit. However, our offensive line is, collectively, the 2nd most valuable component of our offense, allowing us to win with Davis and Johnson at RB.

Beane is going to get pissed about this thread.

OK, so 5. Who are you cutting of those 5?

The second Gabe Davis was released, Elijah Moore became an uncuttable roster lock, which is probably surprising to him and his agent as he was initially a FA that lasted post-draft, and is on his 3rd team in 4 years.

Just for that, I'm starting another one.

Yes, better. For performance or potential. Without any question.

Yes, definitely should have kept the drunk who hit a woman with his car on Chippewa street🤣

Setting aside the pros and cons of signing him, do we really need another Gabe Davis thread?

He has said he aims to make every pick a pick-6.

The other thing to think about with Davis is that his contract had offset language. That means he will be playing for league minimum. I don’t think that they have any WRs that they can cut and gain savings. Either way, Gabe is vet minimum. That will be important for whomever picks him up. He will almost certainly play for a contender for that reason. If he’s making the minimum no matter where he is, why wouldn’t he go to a contender that offers him the best opportunity?

The Steelers franchise since 1972 has only had 7 seasons were they weren't .500 or better. In fact their worst record since 1972 was a 5-11 season in 1988 of their other losing seasons they were 6-7 wins bad but far from tragic. As far as Tomlin he has been .500 or better every season since 2007 when he took over. He has had three 8-8 seasons but never a losing season. I don't think the Steelers will tank ever, but could they be setting themselves up to have a 6-8 win season (by trading away a few key pieces after a slower start or by just not having a viable QB) and be higher up in the top half of the draft? I can see that. A 7 win season gets them in the pick 8-10 range which makes a trade up a lot easier than going from pick 16-20 all the way to the top 5.