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Holy smokes. YOU brought up Diggs. I never said Diggs was a bad trade. Not once. I never said Diggs wasn’t anything but a great trade. But that’s what he was, a TRADE, not a free agent. A player of Diggs quality at 26 or 27 years old doesn’t hit FA. You don’t get a chance at that type of player, WITHOUT TRADING FOR HIM, unless you draft him yourself. You get chances at Brown’s, Beasley’s, and more recently, Samuel’s, Hollins’ and Palmers’. No one is saying the Bills are doing it all wrong, or that the offense sucks or whatever arguments you are dreaming up. You didn’t just make 2 mistakes. You make a mistake every post because you don’t understand the discussion and are just trying to win argument with yourself lol.

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Yep To all ya' who are , or had , or have Dads. God bless ya and the Women that made ya a Dad I am grateful to her still lol 👍 A great day with some of the Grandkids created some smiles and a full heart for me Wish you folks the same ! ooh la la. MY mom made that with less eggs Going to put it on my list. Thanks muppy 🙂

The funny part is when lefties talk about the police as if they have any respect for police whatsoever.

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2025/06/bills-qb-josh-allen-had-rockstar-moment-at-wedding-hailee-steinfeld-says.html Grilled cheese ,cookies and milk at the after party, Sounds good to me.

Well they brought in an Old McD coached LB more recently. That's a tell. I suggest he has more athletic ability , but feels like the same concept. Are we mentally weak after Milano still at LB ? As Shaw mentions Dorian is still not there based upon last years gameplay. BTW Excellent reading today from all of the above. All opinions worthwhile Thanks folks , for learnin' me a bit more ! And pointing to perspectives about McDermott's thought process that I do agree with. and so after all that 🙂 We have semi opposed opinions here as to whether live reps for a Rookie still learning are better than him learning from the vets watching tape and mentoring the details. I am quite sure McD picks teachers for veteran leadership more when pulling from FA. Miller actually fit that Bill I thought , regardless of contract. Dane and Tre are fine recent examples as to this.

hi. adding tuna fish and a ton of hard boiled eggs. I never had it any other way as a kid

Lumping recently drafted, big producing WR's like Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman in the same sample with Gaffney/Britt/Nicks is just bad data, IMO. The latter 3 were drafted for a very different league. Taking a sample size for the WR position back further than players drafted after the 2010 rules changes is very likely to give you a skewed result. Those rules basically neutered the complex Pittsburgh and Rex Ryan type pass defense's that had stunted QB development in the NFL for the better part of 15 years prior. They only worked if you could kill shot the WR's and QB's. The QB position instantly became less cerebral and the WR position gradually became more about athleticism than toughness-over-the-middle than it was before. There was an initial huge boost in offensive production. More numbers meant more money for players in the passing game, even if most ships were being raised by the tide.. That triggered more interest in playing offensive skill positions at the youth level. The rise of 7 on 7 etc.. We really started seeing the change in quality of athlete late in the 2010's. Those kids who used to be steered into other sports started reaching the pro's because of the big money and long careers promised at QB and WR. Coleman is part of a different group. He probably would have stuck with hoops if he were in college in 2002. I don't think it's at all unreasonable for fans to expect him to be a 1,000 yard receiver this year. Rashee Rice was on pace for 1400 yards last year when he blew out his knee. Higgins and Pittman both put up 1,000 in their second years. Coleman is not a lesser athlete than any of those guys IMO and while 1,000 yards will put you in the top 25 in the NFL it isn't going to make you a household name. Ask Pittman.

His PFF grade was 92nd out of 98 WR's last year. His catch percentage has never been above 60% when targeted. The highest rated season a QB had when passing him the ball was 77.7 in his rookie season. That's not decent.

Take a look at the number Graham provided. If you look where Moore in R2 was drafted and the average production of a WR selected in that range, Moore is slightly above the average season. That’s why I’d give him the “decent” label. His production slightly exceeded his draft position - with some of the bad QB’s you referenced.

What has this to do with what I posted? The poster I replied to originally implied that Americans in the past were more "moral" because they viewed theft as wrong. I simply pointed out that Americans -- and many other cultures historically -- didn't consider "theft" bad when they or their society benefited from it. I'm not making any judgements about the morality of illegal streaming. A lot of things that are morally wrong are not illegal while other things that are not morally wrong are illegal.

In what world has Elijah Moore had a decent career in his four years in the NFL? He wouldn't have been available for $2.5m in his 5th year in the league if he wasn't disappointing so far. He's had bad QB's but Garrett Wilson's posted three 1,000 yard seasons to start his career with Wilson, Boyle, Sineman, Flacco, White, and Rodgers throwing him the ball. It's just wishful thinking to think he'll make any kind of jump this year.

I agree with most of what you said outside of him being a first round pick. He was a second round pick, first of the 2nd’s but 2nd nonetheless. People should tamper their expectations based on that alone.

Thanks. I think he’s going to improve on what we saw from him in the first half of last season. I think a lot of Keons success depends on Josh’s cohesion with Palmer, Moore and Kincaid on 20+ yard routes. If those guys can keep the defenses honest, I think Keon can really take advantage of physical mismatches and break some tackles to get some gainers. I love the run after catch ability on this team. If we can get some improvement in the 20+ yard area and the sideline, this offense is going to be scary. 2nd WRs are key. If he becomes a good WR2- in good with that. what numbers do you think he’ll hit?

This is his year to put up or literally shut up.

Looks like he’s worked his butt off this off season. We’ll see how he does.

At a loss for words after a fireworks show? When I took my 16 month old to DisneyLand last month, after the fireworks show (which they do nightly) he said “WOW!!” then ate another cookie.

That was true his rookie year 2023 which is why we saw Dodson out there for Milano and AJ Klein (not Williams) for Bernard in the playoffs. I think it's less true now. I don't think the Bills win 9 of 11 games which Williams started in place of Milano if he hadn't improved substantially in his play recognition and his understanding of his role in the play. But yes, he does need to take another step mentally which is why we saw Milano as soon as he could take the field.

His numbers will be better than your projection, not in small part due to the fact that he has Josh Allen.

I don’t think he will ever be more than a 2nd or 3rd WR. I hope I am wrong and he dominates.

Can’t wait to see Karoline’s response to the inevitable question about the one stat that Donnie finds most important - crowd size. Looks like the “No Kings” crowds far surpassed the headcount of the Army parade; even in many individual cities, including DC, so he can’t blame the less than ideal weather. When asked about the MAHA report just having flat out made up sources, she claimed it was “formatting errors.” Then when they removed the AI generated sources or the sources that literally contradicted the body of the report, she stood her ground that those were the same formatting errors she referenced. 😂 Let’s see how she spins this one, since we know Don will make sure that answer is scripted perfectly. Where did we find our last four press secretaries? A community college Toast Masters class? And I’ll save one of you the handful of keystrokes: ⬆️ Hoax 😂

Interesting. As far as fan expectations, fans will always expect first rounders to contribute strongly, starting their first year. As far as fan expectations being realistic - Beane has a draft pattern of trying to overcompensate for drafting late in the first by choosing high ceiling/low floor kind of guys. Rousseau was an example of that - a player who had a lot of raw physical talent and had shown potential, but had actually had played very little college ball. 15 games, that's it. Rousseau looks like a decent contributor now, but it took him a while to get there. Elam IMO was an example of that - a physically talented fast guy, who needed to take a big step in his actual coverage skills to play at the NFL level. And of course, the ultimate example was Josh Allen. Anyway I see Keon as another of Beane's "high ceiling, low floor" rifle shots. He's big, he can box out like a basketball player ('cuz he was one) - can't coach size and physicality - and he needed a lot of work on his route running and release moves.

That might be the craziest post in this thread. All feels, no common sense. You don't early-extend a RB AND pay him top of the market on the basis that you assume he will: -Go from a liability in pass pro to very good -Become a much better pass receiver -Prove he can handle a much greater workload like the other top paid RB's -And not fall completely off the cliff a couple years from now like Dalvin did in his 3.2 ypc age 28 season. Those are the reasons why you AT LEAST wait to pay him until he proves he can improve. Top of the market is still going to be there. What are you risking by making him prove it? And I mean Ty Johnson put up a greater ypc at 5.2 versus 4.9 and his ridiculous 15.8 yards per reception was almost twice that of Cook(8.1). And Johnson can actually pass block. That's why Allen could call him the best 3rd down back in the NFL and have a strong case. That being the case the only way the offense could "dramatically" improve on third downs is if Cook is better than those gaudy numbers. Even if Johnson falls off a cliff now, the standard for the RB position for the Bills on 3rd down is astronomically high. Hilariously crazy takes by you.

The average above was based on 13 games, which is the same amount that played his rookie season. While he surpassed yardage and TD’s he did not in receptions. But yes the fact that he’s in the ballpark is reason for optimism That was Tim’s argument for cutting off the search at 2022 and not including rookies like Worthy or Ladd who had pretty good rookie seasons

I've been one of his biggest supporters since the start, and already said 1 month ago that he was gonna impress - his strength and quickness at top of route will be noticeably improved. Its not jump balls, its the leverage and his athletic ability that will be on better display. I think hes ready to be a big time player for us. Im going 65 catches for 900 yards and 8 TDs, if he can stay healthy all season.