Bills cuts are

[GG]

Let's see what the scouts have to say about him, shall we?

 

Are you serious in posting that? The only positive thing that report said was that Kelsay was average. Glad I'm not the only one who picked up the contradiction that 90 is a decent pass rusher who never is in the same area code as the QB.

[John Cocktosten]

 

Geez, dude. Ever heard of diazepam?

 

And, I believe that the Bills do rotate D lineman (to include the D ends) on obvious passing downs. So, to sub in a pass rushing specialist on a 3rd and 10 for the better run stopping end is an appropriate tactic. I don't see how the cover 2 defense has anything to do with it.

Rotating players and nickel/dime packages are completely different. Kelsey gets paid at the top of his position and you think it's okay if he is a two down player? What happenes if they throw on 2nd? Maybe he can just play on 1st down. Ridiculous.

[May Day 10]

Isnt Fred Jackson banged up a little too? we are rolling with a tandem of Jackson and Omon? But we have 29 DBs and receivers.

[seadog]

Why did the team even bring Stupar to camp? The guy did everything he could have possibly have done to make the team. He was the best player of the preseason in camp and gets cut? What more could they have been looking for? Fine and Schoumen are both subpar TE's in this league and I would have rather started Nelson and Stupar than those two stiffs.

[Fingon]

"Kelsay is a solid pass rusher but has never been a big producer in this area."

 

I'm glad you get your knowledge from Billy Bob's Scouting Service. They lost all credibility when they said the he is a "solid pass rusher"? He has 17 career sacks in 7 years! Then Billy Bob contradicts himself in the same breath by saying, "But he's never been a big producer in that area"?????? I don't know what to make of that statement. Here's a statement that makes sense, Kelsey is a terrible pass rusher totalling 10 sack in the last 3 years. Go back and watch the games bro. He's playing "Dancing with the Stars" with every RT he comes into contact with!

You can be a decent pass rusher and not get sacks. Especially at LDE.

[Albany,n.y.]

Why did the team even bring Stupar to camp? The guy did everything he could have possibly have done to make the team. He was the best player of the preseason in camp and gets cut? What more could they have been looking for? Fine and Schoumen are both subpar TE's in this league and I would have rather started Nelson and Stupar than those two stiffs.

He's probably going on the Practice Squad tomorrow & will be available if needed.

[Fingon]

Are you serious in posting that? The only positive thing that report said was that Kelsay was average. Glad I'm not the only one who picked up the contradiction that 90 is a decent pass rusher who never is in the same area code as the QB.

Kelsay is an average DE. To say he sucks is retarded, and in case you didn't notice... LDEs are used more for stopping the run, rather than rushing the passer. LDE's generally don't get sacks because they are bigger, and the QB can see them coming.

[Beerball]

I also have no idea why wendling made the roster.

Couldn't agree more about Wendling.

 

Stupar should have been on the roster. Chambers, Bryan & even Mace surpise me a bit.

[Lori]

Couldn't agree more about Wendling.

Seriously? Hey, they're going to be lining up for plenty of punts and kickoff returns, you know.

(Not that I disagree with you.)

[Beerball]

Why did the team even bring Stupar to camp? The guy did everything he could have possibly have done to make the team. He was the best player of the preseason in camp and gets cut? What more could they have been looking for? Fine and Schoumen are both subpar TE's in this league and I would have rather started Nelson and Stupar than those two stiffs.

I'm with ya. This team's inability to recognize talent bewilders me.

 

With Stupar you have to remember that most of his catches were against other guys who were cut today, but...he showed an ability to get open and he held on to the ball. Hopefully he's on the PS tomorrow.

[Beerball]

Seriously? Hey, they're going to be lining up for plenty of punts and kickoff returns, you know.

(Not that I disagree with you.)

Yeah, when you're coming off back to back to back 7-9 seasons and your roster is loaded you do have the luxury of carrying players who are only STers. That stiff legged SOB couldn't cover dear ol' Beerball.

[KD in CA]

Kinda bummed about Bowen. Liked what he showed in preseason last year.

Probably didn't come back from the knee injury as well as hoped.

 

Same here. I've been rooting for the kid.

[GaryPinC]

Stupar was their best TE all preseason. Stupid.

 

Copeland Bryan? He was one of their best D linemen all preseason.

 

Do they not watch the games prior to making cuts?

 

Do they just stick with what their vets at EVERY position? What a buncha morons we have running this team.

 

We are DOOMED.

 

you, Jauron!

 

When I saw Bryan at the Pittsburgh game he was around the play or making a play 1 out of every 4-5. The other plays he was just getting blown up because he couldn't keep his separation from the O-lineman. He'd be a big liability in a real game. He's a practice squad project if he's even still eligible. At least Kelsay and Denney don't get blown up quite as much as he does. We really do need to replace those 2 though. I expect Ellis to really expand his playing time with experience this year. Not sure if he'll be a dominant DE but easily better than the Kelsay/Denney monster.

[DonInBuffalo]

I've been saying for years that Bobby April has way too much influence on who makes the final roster. When you keep people like Wendling and Corto, and cut people like Bryan and Stupar, your roster gets cluttered up with people who are never going to be anything more than good ST players. You have fewer young players developing, so the team stagnates and never improves from year to year.

[Beerball]

cutdown analyses by team available here

Including TG rundown of Bills.

[DonInBuffalo]

When I saw Bryan at the Pittsburgh game he was around the play or making a play 1 out of every 4-5. The other plays he was just getting blown up because he couldn't keep his separation from the O-lineman. He'd be a big liability in a real game. He's a practice squad project if he's even still eligible. At least Kelsay and Denney don't get blown up quite as much as he does. We really do need to replace those 2 though. I expect Ellis to really expand his playing time with experience this year. Not sure if he'll be a dominant DE but easily better than the Kelsay/Denney monster.

I was going through the numbers guessing who might be the inactives assuming everybody is healthy. I don't see how they'll be able to keep all 5 DE active. Ellis would typically be the odd man out, inactive.

[ThereIsNoDog]

I was going through the numbers guessing who might be the inactives assuming everybody is healthy. I don't see how they'll be able to keep all 5 DE active. Ellis would typically be the odd man out, inactive.

I hope not.

[Beerball]

Changes may still be made, but

 

11 DBs

6 WRs

4 RBs (including C Mc)

7 LBs

 

Makes me wonder whether we're a bit thin along the lines.

[seadog]

I've been saying for years that Bobby April has way too much influence on who makes the final roster. When you keep people like Wendling and Corto, and cut people like Bryan and Stupar, your roster gets cluttered up with people who are never going to be anything more than good ST players. You have fewer young players developing, so the team stagnates and never improves from year to year.

At least Corto is a good ST player and could play linebacker for a game ao two if needed. Wendling just does'nt stand out on ST's and is a poor safety. His roster spot would have been better filled by Stupar or Bowen or Chambers for that matter.

[Saint Doug]

Why did the team even bring Stupar to camp? The guy did everything he could have possibly have done to make the team. He was the best player of the preseason in camp and gets cut? What more could they have been looking for? Fine and Schoumen are both subpar TE's in this league and I would have rather started Nelson and Stupar than those two stiffs.

 

This is really too bad. What exactly were they expecting him to do in order to make the team. He was the biggest producer on our team and was one of the best in the NFL during preseason. This just sends the wrong message; it doesn't matter how well you perform because making the team isn't about playing your heart out and producing.

 

I usually don't say this, but I really hope another team picks him up and he lights it up for them. The man deserves a job.

[GG]

And there you have it. The best defense is that Kelsay is an average two-down DE...

 

.. Who happens to be paid like a star DE. So ignore the cap room that could be used to maybe pay a an average starting left tackle.

[Fingon]

And there you have it. The best defense is that Kelsay is an average two-down DE...

 

.. Who happens to be paid like a star DE. So ignore the cap room that could be used to maybe pay a an average starting left tackle.

Since when do star DEs make $5 million a year? You could cut Kelsay, but we would only be gouged even more in the run game. Kelsay is being paid like an average DE, and it would only make us worse to cut him.

[GG]

Too bad that my post referred to an average left tackle, but you can intepret whatever you want.

 

And frankly, Kelsay's superior run D rings very hollow when the team can't stop 3rd down conversions of any length.

 

To say that the guy is average is a compliment evidenced by the thank you but no thank you Bills got when they tried to deal him in April.

 

At least Ko brought a 6th rounder back.

[Fingon]

Too bad that my post referred to an average left tackle, but you can intepret whatever you want.

 

And frankly, Kelsay's superior run D rings very hollow when the team can't stop 3rd down conversions of any length.

 

To say that the guy is average is a compliment evidenced by the thank you but no thank you Bills got when they tried to deal him in April.

 

At least Ko brought a 6th rounder back.

Really? This team is very good on 3rd down.

[stevewin]

I also have no idea why wendling made the roster.

Wendling == Coy Wire - except he jumps on land instead of out of a pool

[EC-Bills]

Really? This team is very good on 3rd down.

 

How do you know we are very good on 3rd down? We haven't played a regular season game yet.

[Fingon]

How do you know we are very good on 3rd down? We haven't played a regular season game yet.

How do you know Kelsay will suck in 2009? We haven't played a regular season game yet.

[DonInBuffalo]

One thing to keep in mind is they'll need to release one more player when Lynch's suspension is over.

[John Cocktosten]

How do you know we are very good on 3rd down? We haven't played a regular season game yet.

When Figgy watches the games, he pays close attention to defensive third down %.

[Dwight Drane]

One thing to keep in mind is they'll need to release one more player when Lynch's suspension is over.

 

I'm sure we'll have a few on IR by then.

 

Stupar has me scratching my head. I was almost impressed with him as I was when Freddy Jackson broke out in preseason. I could have sworn Fine would have been IR'd and stashed. I guess he must only be able to bench 150lbs or something...because he was a route running fool.

[EC-Bills]

When Figgy watches the games, he pays close attention to defensive third down %.

 

Apparently, I was under the wrong impression last year when we couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs when it counted.

[Fingon]

Apparently, I was under the wrong impression last year when we couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs when it counted.

It's called selective memory. No one remembers the big stop with 5 minutes left, they only remember the drive right after the offense gets the ball back and goes 3 and out.

[Beerball]

It's called selective memory. No one remembers the big stop with 5 minutes left, they only remember the drive right after the offense goes 3 and out.

I remember no playoffs this millenium.

 

I remember 7-9.

 

I remember 7-9.

 

I remember 7-9.

 

I remember a defensive end who makes 2 plays per year.

 

He blows.

[EC-Bills]

It's called selective memory. No one remembers the big stop with 5 minutes left, they only remember the drive right after the offense gets the ball back and goes 3 and out.

 

Not quite. I remember quite clearly. Did you read about selective memory in one of your scouting guides about Kelsay that you cling to so dearly?

[BuffaloRebound]

What is the point of a 260 pound run-stopper at defensive end? Especially when the Bills don't get any pass rush from their DT's or LB's.

[Tsaikotic]

damn it. Sucks for stupar

 

I see this more as "damn it, sucks for Bills"...but I get what your saying...it's actually probably better for Stupar tho...hopefully he can get picked up by a team that needs a starter or #2 TE over staying on the Bills team that he most likely would be inactive most weeks as the #4 TE

 

 

So we wasted a 6th round pick this year on Cary Harris, huh!? FO = joke.

 

not sure if you're being sarcastic here, but I'll bite...how often do 6th and 7th round picks actually make a team, or even make the team in there rookie year without being on PS first?...some teams have actually cut rookies they grabbed in earlier rounds, now that's bad drafting...I think it's great that Buffalo was able to find Lankster in the 7th and keep him..so for Buffalo to cut a 6th rounder is really no big deal...he might make the PS anyways.

 

 

Anybody know if Bowen is a possibility at practice squad since he didn't dress last year?

 

here's the list of players eligible for PS per Chris Brown:

 

Name

QB Matt Baker

LB Alvin Bowen

LB Marcus Buggs

OL Chris Denman

TE Tyson DeVree

DE Ataefiok Etukeren

OL Christian Gaddis

RB Bruce Hall

CB Cary Harris

WR C.J. Hawthorne

OL Nick Hennessey

WR Felton Huggins

DT Derrick Jones

CB Ellis Lankster

DL Corey Mace

LB Ryan Manalac

RB Xavier Omon

LB Ashlee Palmer

C/G Brandon Rodd

WR Shaine Smith

TE Jonathan Stupar

news flash - Stupar got axed. Go back to sleep now.

 

he didn't use a comma in his sentence, thus making his sentence a run-on sentence and making it look as tho all names listed where under his "making the team" statement...just so it's clearer for yea..in no way am I being a "grammer police"..as you can see from my sentence structure..lol

[Fingon]

I remember no playoffs this millenium.

 

I remember 7-9.

 

I remember 7-9.

 

I remember 7-9.

 

I remember a defensive end who makes 2 plays per year.

 

He blows.

Kelsay isn't the problem. It's the ineffectiveness of our RDE that is the problem. The 4-3 defense feeds off the pass rush of the RDE, just as the 3-4 needs a good OLB. Kelsay has shown that he can be a good complimentary DE when there is someone good on the other side. Again, Kelsay isn't the best pass rusher, but a DEs don't just rush the passer. If i were you, I would be focusing more of my hate against Aaron Schobel. It's HIS job to rack up the sacks. HE is the RDE. Kelsay does his job fairly well, and that is why he was not cut.

 

The 7-9 record last year was NOT on the defense. The D played well enough to get us into the playoffs, it was the offense that did not.

[Fingon]

Not quite. I remember quite clearly. Did you read about selective memory in one of your scouting guides about Kelsay that you cling to so dearly?

The fact is that our defense was very good on 3rd down last year. You can't debate that with anything other than non-specific anecdotal evidence. I can present scout's opinions, and stats that show that Kelsay does not "suck. You can keep bitching, but I don't know what world you live in where you expect our LDE to rack up the sacks.

[THE GASH STATION]

Kelsay blows two-peckered Tijuana billygoats with piss-hardons.

 

Love to see a photoshop of that one

[Tsaikotic]

hey, just wondering if anyone thinks Buffalo might look at the kickers that were cut to try to replace Lindell at all?...I know it was just one pre-season game, but he did miss an easy chip shot and that 48 yarder just squeaked in...just a thought.