JPicc2114 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Im not sure if I can count on Langston Walker this year on the left side. Looks like a big weakness to me. Another question is... why can't this guy lose any weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Im not sure if I can count on Langston Walker this year on the left side. Looks like a big weakness to me. Another question is... why can't this guy lose any weight? No, I don't trust him. I've always thought he's been up to no good and I want him out of the neighborhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offde-fence Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 As a Bills fan, I have some optimism about our O-line, even if it will take a chunk of the season to be functioning at a peak level. My biggest concern is Langston Walker, and that, in itself, is a good sign. I say that because he's played the position before, and shown he can do it. We aren't asking nor expecting him to be a pro-bowl caliber LT. The staff knows from real game experience what he can do, and what his limitations are. That being said, they should know pretty well by the end of training camp what he and the rest of the line are good at, and where their weaknesses are. He's one big dude, and pretty good on his feet for his size, so, I can imagine a solid running game behind him. If he's completely inept at pass protection, I'm thinking that will be obvious sooner than later, so, the team will have time to replace him if he can't do it. My prediction, though, is that he'll be consistent. He and the rest of the line will have plays where they look inexperienced and perhaps porous, but they'll have series and drives where they run smoothly and effectively. Considering he's in it for the long haul, and that he's a consistent player, by mid season we should know what to expect from the line, and I think it'll be much better than all the doubters here complain about. He doesn't need to be a pro-bowler; good would be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Walker was an average type RT for us - you know, better than 15 RTs worse than 15 RTs and tied with one RT- at LT he'll be in the bottom 5, not a joke but not very good, kinda like Ellison at LB- I'm more concerned with Brad Butler at RT, Butler has the potential to be the worse starting RT in the NFL, I've just seen no athletic qualities from him that give the vaguest suggestion that he can play in space in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 As long we throw off the defense with 4 wide packages and have a good running game Walker will do just fine I see him letting about 4-7 sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazedandConfused Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Im not sure if I can count on Langston Walker this year on the left side. Looks like a big weakness to me. Another question is... why can't this guy lose any weight? As is the case with all these players since last I checked I an not in charge, my default stance is to trust but verify. I really do not think one can count on any player from a year after year (after year) 7-9 team. The good thing though about Walker is that though it would pretty silly to expect Pro Bowl level play out of him right here and right now, he did show enough as an RT starter who filled without big flaws as a starting LT when Peters was trying to work himself back in to shape. He will need to step up his game to be a credible fulltime starter, but he had the rep coming in as a player and a marginal but signs of being a good starter for all but the most pessimistic to hope for the best (and likely says more about the observer than it says about Walker). PS- One likely answer to the weight question is that he never was asked to lose weight by the Bills because in the old mode we were proud to have the heaviest OL in the league by weight and he was employed mostly as a roadgrader. The interesting question is how he was able to at least hold his own at LT during our winning streak last year against weak opponents when he had to start at LT. My guess is that this year as a constant LT starter he likely will be better with less weight. There is a ton of time once the season begins to start whining about this issue if it is a real problem (a problem that is likely better assesed by how he looks to objective observers rather than relying on the oft fictional official weight claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I trust Walker more than I trust Peters last year. At least I know that Walker will give a damn, give his best effort, show up in game shape, and know the playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I trust Walker more than I trust Peters last year. At least I know that Walker will give a damn, give his best effort, show up in game shape, and know the playbook. Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I trust Walker more than I trust Peters last year. At least I know that Walker will give a damn, give his best effort, show up in game shape, and know the playbook. As long as round and fluffy constitutes a shape, then I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 As long as round and fluffy constitutes a shape, then I agree. Notice I said "game shape" and not "in shape." There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Im not sure if I can count on Langston Walker this year on the left side. Looks like a big weakness to me. Another question is... why can't this guy lose any weight? With Bell and Hennesse pushing him, he damn well better perform, or he'll find himself sitting next to Chris Ellis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Im not sure if I can count on Langston Walker this year on the left side. Looks like a big weakness to me. Another question is... why can't this guy lose any weight? Without Jason Peters at the training table two years in a row now, there is no hope of Walker losing weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 If he had his jaws wired, he'd probably just take turkey suppositories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diwdem Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I trust him, I think. In space, he scares me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I think Walker can hold his own most of the time. But I think they're going to have to protect him with a TE a good chunk of time depending on matchups, etc and especially in the first half of the year. He didn't seem thrilled about the switch but I trust that he's doing everything he can to pull it off on the left side. I hope he comes in a little lighter this year. 20 lbs less seems pretty achievable considering his size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Langston is kind of the opposite of Tony Boselli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I think will be ok overall with Walker as our LT. He may have a couple of rough games, but overall think he is capable of holding his own. For those couple of games that he may strugle, they can always put the TE outside of him for a chip block. I also think that they are fine at RT with Butler slidding out. He is more suited physically to play tackle than guard, and while not a freak athlete, not many RT's are. Chambers did ok at RT for a few games, and he is a much better athlete than Chambers, and stronger at point of attack, so that should help the running game. I think that overall the line play will be better, and that Butler is an improvement in the run game for the right side, Walker is a step down from a motivated Peters, but about the same as the one we had last year. The center position has been upgraded, and the guards will be better in the run game than last years, but about even in pass. So we should still have descent pass protection and be much better in the run blocking over last years group in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Langston is kind of the opposite of Tony Boselli. cause he's not constantly injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 As is the case with all these players since last I checked I an not in charge, my default stance is to trust but verify. I really do not think one can count on any player from a year after year (after year) 7-9 team. The good thing though about Walker is that though it would pretty silly to expect Pro Bowl level play out of him right here and right now, he did show enough as an RT starter who filled without big flaws as a starting LT when Peters was trying to work himself back in to shape. He will need to step up his game to be a credible fulltime starter, but he had the rep coming in as a player and a marginal but signs of being a good starter for all but the most pessimistic to hope for the best (and likely says more about the observer than it says about Walker). PS- One likely answer to the weight question is that he never was asked to lose weight by the Bills because in the old mode we were proud to have the heaviest OL in the league by weight and he was employed mostly as a roadgrader. The interesting question is how he was able to at least hold his own at LT during our winning streak last year against weak opponents when he had to start at LT. My guess is that this year as a constant LT starter he likely will be better with less weight. There is a ton of time once the season begins to start whining about this issue if it is a real problem (a problem that is likely better assesed by how he looks to objective observers rather than relying on the oft fictional official weight claims. Look at who he played against when he was at LT last year at the start of the season. He played the whole game at Seattle where he faced Lawrence Jackson, who had two sacks all year. He played a bit here and a bit there against the next team or two. Jaguars - Reggie Hayward, 4.5 sacks all year long, though he did some platooning with Quentin Groves who had 2.5. Neither guy is a big speed guy, though Groves is a bit faster. Raiders - Jay Richardson, 3 sacks. By the time we played the Rams, Peters was playing the whole game at LT, though he sure wasn't back to anywhere close to his old self yet. People don't worry about whether Walker can handle power rushers. He can. They wonder whether he can handle speed rushers. Which he DID NOT DO last year when he played LT. And this year we face a lot of them, including some very very good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 This should be a multiple choice question. Langston or Lenny?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 cause he's not constantly injured? No. Because Tony was All World, the prototypical LT: Speed, strength, football smarts...you name it. Langston may be adequate, with some help. Boselli had one injury. It ended his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Look at who he played against when he was at LT last year at the start of the season. He played the whole game at Seattle where he faced Lawrence Jackson, who had two sacks all year. He played a bit here and a bit there against the next team or two. Jaguars - Reggie Hayward, 4.5 sacks all year long, though he did some platooning with Quentin Groves who had 2.5. Neither guy is a big speed guy, though Groves is a bit faster. Raiders - Jay Richardson, 3 sacks. By the time we played the Rams, Peters was playing the whole game at LT, though he sure wasn't back to anywhere close to his old self yet. People don't worry about whether Walker can handle power rushers. He can. They wonder whether he can handle speed rushers. Which he DID NOT DO last year when he played LT. And this year we face a lot of them, including some very very good ones. He also had no report with the LG, and that guard was let go at end of year for his play, and the whole interior of line collapsed consistantly to the inside rush. With a good working relationship with the person he plays with, I think his ability to slide out quickly will improve. Not saying he will be an all pro, but if he can get a yard or 2 farther on his sets, and the interior of line doesnt allow as much of a push up the middle, allot of those outside rushes will go around the QB instead of through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 He also had no report with the LG, and that guard was let go at end of year for his play through him. Dockery was let go instead of traded for some talent, and then immediately picked up to start for the Redskins. He'll probably have a fine year for them in 2009, just like London Fletcher has been having since the Bills dumped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Im not sure if I can count on Langston Walker this year on the left side. Looks like a big weakness to me. Another question is... why can't this guy lose any weight? I will tell you what I trust... I trust this board to start at minimum one Langston Walker at LT thread every single day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Dockery was let go instead of traded for some talent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyQuil Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I trust him to be thinking about the play as opposed to someone who recently said they were sometimes concentrating on their contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Dockery was let go instead of traded for some talent, and then immediately picked up to start for the Redskins. He'll probably have a fine year for them in 2009, just like London Fletcher has been having since the Bills dumped him. The Redskins paid him $26 mil the very next day after he got cut by the Bills. maybe with a real OL coach Dockery will return to the high production level which got him his $50 million deal from the Bills just 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 The Redskins paid him $26 mil the very next day after he got cut by the Bills. maybe with a real OL coach Dockery will return to the high production level which got him his $50 million deal from the Bills just 2 years ago. Or...maybe he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 As long we throw off the defense with 4 wide packages and have a good running game Walker will do just fine I see him letting about 4-7 sacks Agreed! the no huddle and the 3 step drop will help as well. He will have help on the longer patterns. He will be an upgrade in terms of Pass protection from what Peters did last year (who would not be?). Peters may be a better run blocker than Walker but they are at least even as pass blockers and I give Walker the nod based on smarts. Walker is the better player from the shoulder pads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 He's big-boneded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 No, I don't trust him. I've always thought he's been up to no good and I want him out of the neighborhood. He's a nefarious sort, you can just feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turn Down For Watkins Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 With Bell and Hennesse pushing him, he damn well better perform, or he'll find himself sitting next to Chris Ellis. And Chambers was solid at the Tackle position last year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I dont know if I trust Walker, the thing that worries me would be to ask him... I'm not sure he is confident in the position himself. he seems very worried, kind of like the kid who was picked to cook fries at McDs and only ever mopped floors. B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I trust him to be thinking about the play as opposed to someone who recently said they were sometimes concentrating on their contract. You misquoted him actually. He said sometimes he thought about his contract after a play. Not during. Gosh, how shocking. So before the next play was called and he knew what to do, he may have thought about his contract. Wow. I know I never think about anything at work but my work, not even for an instant. I'm sure you're the same, NyQuil. It's the wrong question. Of course I trust Langston Walker. I trust him to be Langston Walker, with Langston's strengths and Langston's weaknesses, which I don't believe are a good fit at LT. But yeah, I trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Agreed! the no huddle and the 3 step drop will help as well. He will have help on the longer patterns. He will be an upgrade in terms of Pass protection from what Peters did last year (who would not be?). Peters may be a better run blocker than Walker but they are at least even as pass blockers and I give Walker the nod based on smarts. Walker is the better player from the shoulder pads up. Peters is not a better pass blocker than Walker? Right. Got it. Revisionist history at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Langston is not exactly a mystery. He has been around long enough for us to know what we have: a good but not great right tackle who will be in over his head on the left side which will require us to change a lot of what we do to cover up that weakness. I don't expect him to embarass himself out there but I don't expect many highlights either. He is exactly the type of LT you would expect a 7-9 team to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcalvin79 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The Redskins paid him $26 mil the very next day after he got cut by the Bills. maybe with a real OL coach Dockery will return to the high production level which got him his $50 million deal from the Bills just 2 years ago. right. and the 'Skins have a long history of correctly identifying talent and making shrewd, smart cash decisions. this is going to be a long weekend, i can feel it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Peters is not a better pass blocker than Walker? Right. Got it. Revisionist history at its best. 11.5 sacks is somewhere between awful and pedestrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 11.5 sacks is somewhere between awful and pedestrian. Sounds like an add for a perfume. "Somewhere between awful and pedestrian lies...Regression. By Jason Peters." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Sounds like an add for a perfume. "Somewhere between awful and pedestrian lies...Regression. By Jason Peters." I give that joke a 3.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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