ndirish1978 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 After initially being pissed about the draft I am now convinced that we are on the right track and we did in fact do well this year. So I'm officially retracting my naysaying comments and putting my name on record as supporting the draft and Marv's offseason moves. If you agree with me sign this thread and put your support down for posterity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ax4782 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I find myself agreeing with you on a lot of things over the last couple of days. This was a much better draft than the "Experts" are saying, and the success of the Bills defense for the next four to six years will be the proof. Great Job Marv. If you're half as good a GM as you were a coach the sky is the limit for this team. Go Sabres!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 This is an intelligent post which also provides a clear showing that you are a secure enough and strong enough person to admit mistakes and failings (I wish we had more of this type of strength from the politicians in charge of those things who refuse to acknowledge their mistakes and to make sure that there is accountability but then thats another rant). I join this thread to also plead guilty to saying whhhaatt when I heard our draft choices, even though I did have the sense to wait abit before ramting about these choices and actually was changing my mind that day (the fact ESPN said it was bad was a clear sign that maybe it was good). Even though i did not get my panties all up in a wad and wail like some on TSW, my owned failed initial assessment is wortn noting as the more I find out about the players taken, the better i feel about this draft and have a sense that Marv may be a pretty smart football cookie despite his age, A players draft value and his ability to contribute to the team two different things. They are obiiously related, but I think that the better choices are made by those who recognize that these are two different things. AJ Hawk for example had a deservedly high draft value, but if we had picked him for some reason (heaven forbid we had traded up for him) his selection would have set this team back by at least a year and probably two. Draft value and contribution to a team are two different things. The Bills did lousy I amassing draft value (likely reach for Whitner an almost certainly for McCargo and Yobouty selection ended all chances of using this draft to improve OL) but made excellent selections for this team as we may have gotten 3 1st round level players on day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alg Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Have to throw my hat in. There is enough evidence and speculation to suggest Marv knew what was going on. While I too hoped for a trade down, I am now convinced that Buffalo had a great draft in terms of getting high quality, high character football players for this team. I miss TDs mastery of the draft board, but have a feeling that Marv has made moves to put together a real team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoolPhorBuphalo Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 initial shock and frustration gives away to hope and anticipation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Just may be baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 i like our choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I'd like to make 2 points in response to this. First and foremost, to say this team would be been set back for taking AJ Hawk is just purely assenine. AJ Hawk is a disruptive player, an elite linebacker this draft has not seen for a few years. If anything, he alone has the capability to account for2-3 wins. I assume you say this because he has no place to start. Replaceing Posey with him would be huge -- and as Fletcher ages, he can transition to the middle and this team has a force at the LB position for years to come. Couple that with Spikes' injury and the uncertainty surrounding it, this would not be a bad pick by any means. Certainly, it shouldn't be used as fuel in a justification for picking Whitner. Second, I wouldn't throw around the fact that the Bills got "3 first round level talents." Ther Bills once thought Chris Kelsey was a first round level talent and were even targeting him in the first round and when we got him in the 2nd, we were jumping for joy (rightfully so). But circumstance has proven that Kelsey pretty much got drafted where he should have been. Hopefully the same can be said about Whitner and McCargo. I abstain from signing this document. AJ Hawk for example had a deservedly high draft value, but if we had picked him for some reason (heaven forbid we had traded up for him) his selection would have set this team back by at least a year and probably two. Draft value and contribution to a team are two different things. The Bills did lousy I amassing draft value (likely reach for Whitner an almost certainly for McCargo and Yobouty selection ended all chances of using this draft to improve OL) but made excellent selections for this team as we may have gotten 3 1st round level players on day one. 684138[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochBillsFan Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I absolutely agree! initially, I was wondering what satellite dishes the Bills front office was talking to. But if you look at the methodical approach taken by the Bills, I think it was a solid and well executed draft. Marv in his first year as a GM showed Tom Donahoe how it should be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I absolutely agree! initially, I was wondering what satellite dishes the Bills front office was talking to. But if you look at the methodical approach taken by the Bills, I think it was a solid and well executed draft. Marv in his first year as a GM showed Tom Donahoe how it should be done. 684208[/snapback] Yeah. Marv showed him that teams should draft small defensive players in lieu of small offensive players. Not only that, none of these small defenders seem to be injured yet providing McCargo's foot has healed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Uh, no. I'm not going to change my opinion until play on the field dictates that I should. Until then, this was just another year of ignoring fundamental weaknesses. I've been burned one too many times by this team and their hype-generating machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Can somebody explain how/why our offense is going to not suck this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingant Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Can somebody explain how/why our offense is going to not suck this year? 684216[/snapback] Better play calling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Better play calling? 684219[/snapback] Play calling only gets you so far. If you don't have an OL that can run/pass block, no amount of chicanery's going to make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Watching the draft at a local bar with the Bills on the clock, the room was buzzing with anticipation. As the clock ticket down and Tagliabooboo walked to the podium, there was silence in the bar. With the eight pick in the NFL draft, the Bills select Donte Whitner. The bar still as silent as can be and then everyone shrugs their shoulders and gets back to their conversations. The same thing occurred when the Bills traded up to make their next selection. The bottom line is the picks were good, but nothing that's going to make you hoot and holler right away. I wasn't pleased initially, but was not disappointed either. And having time to reflect on the draft, I believe the draft was a success. Only time will tell, but I have confidence in Marv and Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I'd like to formally change my last name to McCargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Only time will tell, but I have confidence in Marv and Company. 684222[/snapback] May I ask why? what exactly have these two done to inspire confidence in you? I'm not being a smartass, I honestly want to know why peopel have confidence in a guy who's never GM'd a team before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 May I ask why? what exactly have these two done to inspire confidence in you? I'm not being a smartass, I honestly want to know why peopel have confidence in a guy who's never GM'd a team before. 684230[/snapback] He's a very smart man, who can identify talent. I also like his philosophy of the collective draft room agreeing on the pick. You can tell by the draft that they are going after needs and not just the best player on the board. You can tell by his post draft press conferences that he did his homework and knows the players talents and characters intimately. I have total confidence in Marv's football instincts, even though he has never been a GM. And he's not the only new GM in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 May I ask why? what exactly have these two done to inspire confidence in you? I'm not being a smartass, I honestly want to know why peopel have confidence in a guy who's never GM'd a team before. 684230[/snapback] Not sure what im missing but how can anyone declare this draft a success since no one has played a down yet? I think some want the Bills to win sooo badly that they give the benifit of the doubt way too early in these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Better play calling? 684219[/snapback] Right. I'd estimate the "Fire Fairchild" posts start ~Week 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Not sure what im missing but how can anyone declare this draft a success since no one has played a down yet? 684238[/snapback] As I said somewhere else...right now, Marv's drafted unproven secodnary guys. This is great if they turn out to be players. But, given this team's undying need for line help, wouldn't it have been prudent to get help where it was needed most? I know, I know, I'm just a complainer. IMO, this draft will make or break Marv long-term. If ANY of his first four picks fail, it'll set back the franchise three to five more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 As I said somewhere else...right now, Marv's drafted unproven secodnary guys. This is great if they turn out to be players. But, given this team's undying need for line help, wouldn't it have been prudent to get help where it was needed most? I know, I know, I'm just a complainer. IMO, this draft will make or break Marv long-term. If ANY of his first four picks fail, it'll set back the franchise three to five more years. 684241[/snapback] I confess. I didnt really follow the draft that closely mainly due to my waning interest in the Bills. Still a fan but way more skeptical that I used to be after being let down so many times. Anyhow, is this draft by Marv based on his charachter is more important than talent theory? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Not sure what im missing but how can anyone declare this draft a success since no one has played a down yet? I think some want the Bills to win sooo badly that they give the benifit of the doubt way too early in these things. 684238[/snapback] It's an opinion, the whole reason for this site! Lighten up and enjoy life instead of being so negative.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 If ANY of his first four picks fail, it'll set back the franchise three to five more years. 684241[/snapback] Isn't that the case for most teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 He's a very smart man, who can identify talent. I also like his philosophy of the collective draft room agreeing on the pick. You can tell by the draft that they are going after needs and not just the best player on the board. You can tell by his post draft press conferences that he did his homework and knows the players talents and characters intimately. I have total confidence in Marv's football instincts, even though he has never been a GM. And he's not the only new GM in the league. 684237[/snapback] Marv couldn't identify talent if it bit him in the butt. What Marv does very well, though, is listen to his scouts about talent and coordiate with the coaches as to what talent will fit the schemes to be run on the field. Marv did end up drafting players with a "football temperment" (as opposed to soft, pretty boys) to fill specific needs in a specific scheme. We shall see if they can actually play, but I think the bust level is fairly low with this draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Marv couldn't identify talent if it bit him in the butt. What Marv does very well, though, is listen to his scouts about talent and coordiate with the coaches as to what talent will fit the schemes to be run on the field. 684268[/snapback] You mean the same scouts who have been advising TD for the past 5 years? Oh boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Marv couldn't identify talent if it bit him in the butt. What Marv does very well, though, is listen to his scouts about talent and coordiate with the coaches as to what talent will fit the schemes to be run on the field. Marv did end up drafting players with a "football temperment" (as opposed to soft, pretty boys) to fill specific needs in a specific scheme. We shall see if they can actually play, but I think the bust level is fairly low with this draft class. 684268[/snapback] Decolletage!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VRWC Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Agree 100%. I was shocked by their picks and pissed off at first but after listening to various reports and analysis I think Marv did a good job and addressed some areas where it will pay off in the long run. Draft Grade A+ Superbowl 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 You mean the same scouts who have been advising TD for the past 5 years? Oh boy. 684278[/snapback] same scouts but TD knew better than his coaches what talent they really needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Right. I'd estimate the "Fire Fairchild" posts start ~Week 2. 684240[/snapback] Given that we play New England in Week 1, he might not make it that long. Especially if we punt from their 32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Especially if we punt from their 32. 684369[/snapback] you HAD to bring that up, didn't you? DIDN'T YOU?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWesternBill Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Can somebody explain how/why our offense is going to not suck this year? 684216[/snapback] well in the sociological pessimistic atheist view, we will suck. I am a realist, i feel we will surely do beter than last year, which doesnt suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 i feel we will surely do beter than last year. 684486[/snapback] We say that every offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I AGREE this was a solid draft go bills in"06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 When the Bills chose Whitner, I freaked out. I thought they had lost their collective minds. But after reading all the stuff about him, and why they made the choice, I am on board. I especially like the Youboty and Simpson picks. Regarding our offensive line, Marv did sign a couple solid veterans in the offseason, including Reyes, who started every game for Carolina. He's not done building this team. Last year, even though we had a horrible offense overall, we led the league in FIRST DRIVE SUCCESS. This means, to me, that the talent is there to score if the playcalling is solid. Once Mularkey got off his script, he was weak. Remember 1st and goal at the Miami 3, interception. Had we won that game, we would not have Whitner either. Maybe not even Marv or Jauron. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Last year, even though we had a horrible offense overall, we led the league in FIRST DRIVE SUCCESS. This means, to me, that the talent is there to score if the playcalling is solid. 684516[/snapback] Ok, I'll ask....What the heck is FIRST DRIVE SUCCESS and how is it determined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Last year, even though we had a horrible offense overall, we led the league in FIRST DRIVE SUCCESS. This means, to me, that the talent is there to score if the playcalling is solid. 684516[/snapback] And brings into question the level of player physical conditioning, too. Here's a rah-rah, homer, B'gals sports opinion by a local n'paper columnist - that touches on the proper preparation aspect of the game: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...050357/1082/SPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Last year, even though we had a horrible offense overall, we led the league in FIRST DRIVE SUCCESS. This means, to me, that the talent is there to score if the playcalling is solid. Once Mularkey got off his script, he was weak. Remember 1st and goal at the Miami 3, interception. Had we won that game, we would not have Whitner either. Maybe not even Marv or Jauron. Who knows? 684516[/snapback] For the life of me, I can't understand the notion that the 1st Qtr success relative to the other quarters, was an indication of bad coaching. To me it means that we actually had a pretty good gameplan and the players just weren't good enough for the rest of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 you HAD to bring that up, didn't you? DIDN'T YOU?!?!? 684371[/snapback] Jes' doin' my job. It's messy, but someone's gotta do it. As long as he stays away from the naked bootlegs on 4th and everything, he should be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 And brings into question the level of player physical conditioning, too. Here's a rah-rah, homer, B'gals sports opinion by a local n'paper columnist - that touches on the proper preparation aspect of the game: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...050357/1082/SPT 684523[/snapback] Bills were soft mentally and physically last year. HAd to laugh with reference to Sam Adams and getting in shape in the same article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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