Ghost of BiB Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I'll go ahead and answer my own question since you idiots won't be able to figure out. He's not that good. With very few exceptions, good free agents get signed early. If he ends up being a good starter for us, then by all means, call me out on it. LOL. What a bunch of ridiculous pu$$ies you guys are. I'll stop being "mean" to Reyes now. 672322[/snapback] Others are "idiots" and "pussies" on a football board. Way cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Foster has never been their primary running back, they run by commitee down here and Davis was always the number one guy. Since the Superbowl they have been on the decline. Davis' career ended after their SB appearance. And if Foster was never their #1, how can you impugn Reyes as being the reason for the poor rushing attack? Maybe it's the fact that Davis is no longer a great RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I've watched nearly every Panthers game in history. Trust me, the BIlls did really good signing this guy. No, he's not Walter Jones, but he is a significant upgrade over Bennie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Okay Ozzy, I looked at the gamebook of the Carolina-Seattle game. Here's what I found of the Panthers' running game, by direction and yards (and Goings was the RB for most of the carries, with Jamal Robertson for the last few): Left: 0, 15 (during their final drive, in garbage time) Center: 2, -2, 0 Right: 2, 0, 2, 2 So basically it was 1-0 going left, 3-0 going up the middle, and 4-6 going right. Not really a great effort ACROSS the line, meaning you'd have to impugn the excellent Mike Wahle who played LG. And the LDT, who would line up across mostly from Reyes at RG, was Chartic Darby, who registered TWO assisted tackles and that's it. By comparison, Rocky Bernard, who played RDT and went against Wahle, had 2 sacks. 672334[/snapback] Are you seriously trying to use these stats to decipher what happened in a game that you can't recall? Here, let me help you since I watched the game with my own two eyes. First of all, Seattle uses a DT rotation, which renders your individual stats meaningless, and second of all, Seattle flip-flops their tackles like most teams will do depending on formation. So yes, Bernard did go head to head with Reyes. On one particular play, I saw Bernard blow by Reyes like he was a turnstile, get held from behind by Reyes and STILL get to Delhomme. Great play by Bernard, but still very poor blocking by Reyes. The entire Panthers line sucked but I don't see how that excuses Reyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Others are "idiots" and "pussies" on a football board. Way cool. 672337[/snapback] I don't think I was referring to you or anyone who didn't attack me first just because I called Reyes good depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Are you seriously trying to use these stats to decipher what happened in a game that you can't recall? Here, let me help you since I watched the game with my own two eyes. First of all, Seattle uses a DT rotation, which renders your individual stats meaningless, and second of all, Seattle flip-flops their tackles like most teams will do depending on formation. So yes, Bernard did go head to head with Reyes. On one particular play, I saw Bernard blow by Reyes like he was a turnstile, get held from behind by Reyes and STILL get to Delhomme. Great play by Bernard, but still very poor blocking by Reyes. The entire Panthers line sucked but I don't see how that excuses Reyes. 672347[/snapback] Great analysis....................... not bad for an analysis based mainly on one play of a game against the NFC champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Are you seriously trying to use these stats to decipher what happened in a game that you can't recall? Here, let me help you since I watched the game with my own two eyes. First of all, Seattle uses a DT rotation, which renders your individual stats meaningless, and second of all, Seattle flip-flops their tackles like most teams will do depending on formation. So yes, Bernard did go head to head with Reyes. On one particular play, I saw Bernard blow by Reyes like he was a turnstile, get held from behind by Reyes and STILL get to Delhomme. Great play by Bernard, but still very poor blocking by Reyes. The entire Panthers line sucked but I don't see how that excuses Reyes. Well YES I'd say that using the lousy OVERALL running stats of the Panthers tells you what happened in the game. The Panthers couldn't run at the Seahawks from ANY side and Jamal Robertson was their leading rusher with 4 carries for 19 yards, with 15 of them coming on one play in garbage time. Now while you're right that it doesn't excuse Reyes, it also doesn't implicate him as being the only bad player that day. Wahle was their best O-lineman, yet they couldn't, or DIDN'T, run to the left side much. And what about his work in the Divisional game against the Bears and their #1 (Y/P and scoring) ranked defense, in Chicago? Cherry-picking doesn't exactly make a great argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I don't think I was referring to you or anyone who didn't attack me first just because I called Reyes good depth. 672348[/snapback] You have a serious future in Foreign Policy. Trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Great analysis....................... not bad for an analysis based mainly on one play of a game against the NFC champion. 672350[/snapback] He was beaten repeatedly in that game, not just on that one play, and not just by Bernard. If I cared enough, I could go back and do a play-by-play. I'm not saying my analysis is great but at least I've provided SOME analysis. A lot of people seem to think he's great because... well, I dunno.. He played on a line that was able to run-block well every now and then? Instead of expecting me to provide a 10-pg scouting report, how about someone, anyone, provide ANYTHING specific about Reyes that you like? I'm talking about actual performance in an actual game against an actual opponent. Even if someone can't step up to the challenge, it doesn't matter. Look, this is a forum for opinions. I gave mine and a lot of people don't like it and reacted strongly. So I countered back strongly. In the end, we're all Bills fans (I hope) and we'll let this be settled on the field. Peace, bros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 He was beaten repeatedly in that game, not just on that one play, and not just by Bernard. 672354[/snapback] You still use only one game to evaluate a player, and on that game, the whole team didn't play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 You still use only one game to evaluate a player, and on that game, the whole team didn't play well. 672359[/snapback] The whole team not playing well doesn't excuse him. Plus, I said he was the worst culprit along the line in that game, and I stand by it. As for using one game to evaluate him, no I've used a bunch of games in which I've seen him play to arrive at my conclusion that he provides good depth, nothing more, while citing one notable example, that being the Seattle game. Your threshold of evidence is much higher for me than for anyone else, it seems. I'll provide that 10-pg report on him once someone who likes him does the same. In the end, why does it matter? I have an opinion and I could be wrong but I'm allowed to express it even if it's not 100% positive of a player. We'll just have to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 He was a UFA, not a RFA correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 He was a UFA, not a RFA correct? 672364[/snapback] Yes, tgreg.. no take-backs! The Bills today announced that the team has signed unrestricted free agent OL Tutan Reyes. In accordance with club policy, terms of the contract were not disclosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 This is the thing..... We as fans just need to understand that for the contract Tuten is probably going to get he will probably end up being a good deal for us because he is a experienced starting guard who frankly....doesn't suck. The player that we have in that LG position now DOES suck.... If the bills also use a high pick to draft another guard and they have a competition...all the better....but MAYBE...just maybe this signing allows the bills to be "ok or better" at that position and allows us to address another area were we flat out SUCK Its called team balance...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Yes, tgreg.. no take-backs! 672368[/snapback] That's what I get for not reading carefully Thanks for the info, Rico! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Anybody got a picture of his face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 i haven't read the entire thread, but i think this is a poor signing. why would they sign Reyes now? why not wait until after Day 1 of the draft just to see how the draft unfolds? makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 i haven't read the entire thread, but i think this is a poor signing. why would they sign Reyes now? why not wait until after Day 1 of the draft just to see how the draft unfolds? makes no sense to me. 672385[/snapback] Makes a lot of sense to me. He makes the team stronger. He is better than what we have. If in the latter part of the first or second round we are torn between an OG and a DT who are rated equally, we can afford to take the DT (or other position). Right now, Reyes either gives us a decent starter or an excellent back-up if we draft a stud. There is nothing wrong with this signing, especially since we have the money, and we need a lot of help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Makes a lot of sense to me. He makes the team stronger. He is better than what we have. If in the latter part of the first or second round we are torn between an OG and a DT who are rated equally, we can afford to take the DT (or other position). Right now, Reyes either gives us a decent starter or an excellent back-up if we draft a stud. There is nothing wrong with this signing, especially since we have the money, and we need a lot of help. 672387[/snapback] still makes no sense....they can't wait 4 days?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 still makes no sense....they can't wait 4 days?????? 672388[/snapback] And what if the other teams with O-Line problems cant fill their needs during the draft? They'll turn to Reyes, who looks to me like the best available OG left on the market. And we'd be left without ANY improvements at all. Best to get him now, I still think the Bills draft a guard in Round Two, even with Reyes on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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