PISSCHUNK Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ...one on one in drills with Kiwi? Ferguson is quick and agile and extremely long arms. Kiwi has demonstrated no ability to use a counter-move in their battles. Two days now and it has been awesome watching Ferguson. Granted, I've only seen about a half dozen plays between the two days but have read various reports as well that back up this theory. Hook 'Em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I saw it... couldn't help but be impressed with Da Brick... he gave Kiwi nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 This is the guy I have wanted all along. What the guy lacks in size, ha makes up for in technique...... The guy will be a franchise OT in this league for years to come. That being said, we have NO chance at him! He will probably be a TOP 5 pick. Unfortunately for us, we are not choosing in the top 5. That win at Cinci really cost us a lot more than it helped us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 This is the guy I have wanted all along. What the guy lacks in size, ha makes up for in technique...... The guy will be a franchise OT in this league for years to come. That being said, we have NO chance at him! He will probably be a TOP 5 pick. Unfortunately for us, we are not choosing in the top 5. That win at Cinci really cost us a lot more than it helped us. 582760[/snapback] I've said all along...if D'Brick makes it past the Jets at #4, I guarantee you that Marv will try to trade with the Packers for the #5 spot. It just makes sense... The Packers could use some O-Line help of their own, but their problems are at the interior O-Line positions. They have two very good tackles actually in Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton, both guys have started every game for the last 3 seasons and both are in their late 20s, so it wouldnt make too much sense on the Packers part to take a guy like D'Brickashaw...ESPECIALLY since their Defense is absolutely horrendeous. Sooooooo, here's what happens. Bills trade up for #5, take D'Brickashaw. Packers move down only 3 spots to #8, pick up a guy like Ngata or Michael Huff or Jimmy Williams (or even Lendale White if they want to go offense with the pick) AND stockpile another Bills pick(s) for their trouble. To me, it just seems perfect. Thats IF the Jets dont take D'Brickashaw...and thats a mighty big IF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Chipper Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 experst say he on a different level than the other o-lineman in the draft. There is no way he falls to the Bills at 8. That friggin win over the Bengals cost us Da Brick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 That win at Cinci really cost us a lot more than it helped us. 582760[/snapback] Well, it confirmed that Donahoe did at least ONE thing right while he was here -- locking up McGee to a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Not to crap all over this thread, but they were talking aout him on NFL Radio on Sirius this morning (Randy Cross & Pat Kirwan that is). They both like him but had concerns about a part of his game. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think it was about run blocking. The also said he's a bit "lean" at 290+ pounds. But that shouldn't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 experst say he on a different level than the other o-lineman in the draft. 582828[/snapback] Shades of Robert Gallery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 He is much better than Gallery. It isn't even close. This is the best LT coming out since Bosellie (sp?). This guy will be a STUD at LT for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Shades of Robert Gallery! 582836[/snapback] Whats wrong with Robert Gallery anyways? The dude has started from Day One, it took him a bit to learn the system but I've heard Raiders fans say nothing but good things about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I don't have any problems with Gallery. But DA BRICK is on another level.....at least when it comes to pass protection. Run blocking is average, but the guy is a wall over there at LT. I have never seen a guy even close to getting by him let alone beating him. His pass blocking skills are just unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I think it is a good possibility that D'Brick falls to the Bills who is gonna take him besides the Jet SF just put in a bunch of money on Jennings and have Kwame Harris at the other end Oak has Gallery on one side and they supposedly love Williams and if he isn't there they will most likely take Ngata If the Jets pass on him there is no point in trading up unless you think someone might try to trade ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 This is the best LT coming out since Bosellie (sp?). This guy will be a STUD at LT for many years to come. 582915[/snapback] Better than Pace? Ogden? We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Ha! I don't understand why people think we won too many games last year. And yet still wanted TD and MM out of here. Makes no friggen sense. I thought we played the games to get into the playoffs not draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I'd love to see D'Brick come to the Bills and in his first game, give up two sacks, false start twice, and hold twice. We'd find a way to run this 'can't miss, stud, fixture at LT for years to come' right outta town. Big Mike had all the same expert opinions, no-sack stats, and can't miss labels when he came out of Texas. I think we need an impact DT personally. Gandy was fine this past year-- and playing next to Fat Bennie, he was basically alone on that side. If the Bills have a good line, and the team still sucks, what is everyone going to complain about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Better than Pace? Ogden? We'll see. 582958[/snapback] Jones has put himself on that level as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 OG Charles Spencer of Pitt was the guy who got all the accolades yesterday. Might be a good second pick. Kiwi struggled according to the writeups. He might be a slider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 The Bills have enough needs and uncertainties that it is hard to see making sense for us to trade away picks for a specific player. If we were one player away, this approach would make some sense, but we are not. There are several openings on both sides of the line, some aging players who at least need to backed up as greater likelihood injury is there for older players, and uncertainty about QB, Everett coming off of injury, etc. If a team is certain that a particular player is so great then I can see it making sense to trade resources away for him. However. D'Bricks size createa aomw uncertainty that it really takes the team being sure that he is the next Tony Boselli for it to make sense to trade up for him. Trading down and taking the risk that a player who slipped (Ngota?) will still be good eough seems to make more sense than trading up and taking the risk that the player acquired will be a football god seems to make more sense. You may lose out taking the risk of the player who slipped but even if so you have extra picks giving you players who may work. If you trade up, you are putting all your eggs in one basket so it better work as not only must this player pan out, AND avoid the unpredictable injury, but you also have given up valuable resources to get him. He looks very good and is clearly the OL class of this draft, but I simply do not see D'Brick being such a stone cold lock that we can trade up for him. I think weonly take him if he slips to #8 and also if no one is welling to trade us additional resources for the #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Whats wrong with Robert Gallery anyways? The dude has started from Day One, it took him a bit to learn the system but I've heard Raiders fans say nothing but good things about him. 582923[/snapback] Well, he may be a starter, but he was supposed to walk on water from everything written about him prior to the draft. He got a seven-year contract worth a reported $60 million, with a signing bonus that was said to be around $14 million. I haven't seen D'Brick play, so I'm not commenting on him. But if he's better than Gallery, the contract numbers we're talking about will make MW's salary look like a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfladave Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 If the Bills have a good line, and the team still sucks, what is everyone going to complain about? 583077[/snapback] The president, general manager, head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, strength and conditioning coach, ticket prices, uniforms, non red endzones, 12th man, Jerry Sullivan, wall crusades, pickle juice, e-bullying, Kirk, Picard. We' ll figure out something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I've said all along...if D'Brick makes it past the Jets at #4, I guarantee you that Marv will try to trade with the Packers for the #5 spot. It just makes sense... The Packers could use some O-Line help of their own, but their problems are at the interior O-Line positions. They have two very good tackles actually in Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton, both guys have started every game for the last 3 seasons and both are in their late 20s, so it wouldnt make too much sense on the Packers part to take a guy like D'Brickashaw...ESPECIALLY since their Defense is absolutely horrendeous. Sooooooo, here's what happens. Bills trade up for #5, take D'Brickashaw. Packers move down only 3 spots to #8, pick up a guy like Ngata or Michael Huff or Jimmy Williams (or even Lendale White if they want to go offense with the pick) AND stockpile another Bills pick(s) for their trouble. To me, it just seems perfect. Thats IF the Jets dont take D'Brickashaw...and thats a mighty big IF. 582772[/snapback] Won't happen unless Marv is not involved in the draft. Marv does not do draft day deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Won't happen unless Marv is not involved in the draft. Marv does not do draft day deals. 583399[/snapback] Yer right, in Marv's long history as a GM in the NFL he has never made a draft day trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Yer right, in Marv's long history as a GM in the NFL he has never made a draft day trade. 583406[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Yer right, in Marv's long history as a GM in the NFL he has never made a draft day trade. 583406[/snapback] After Polian left, Marv was VP of Football Operations and Butler's boss. Butler evaluated the talent, but Marv had veto power over who was selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 After Polian left, Marv was VP of Football Operations and Butler's boss. Butler evaluated the talent, but Marv had veto power over who was selected. 583505[/snapback] he wasn't butler's boss. where did you read that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfladave Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 he wasn't butler's boss. where did you read that? 583510[/snapback] I'll guess in a Jerry Sullivan column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyDingo Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 The president, general manager, head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, strength and conditioning coach, ticket prices, uniforms, non red endzones, 12th man, Jerry Sullivan, wall crusades, pickle juice, e-bullying, Kirk, Picard. We' ll figure out something. 583395[/snapback] We'll ALWAYS have Jerry Sullivan. LURKER! (Picard>Kirk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyNorwood Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I think after watching those practices at the senior bowl I woud definitely take Tamba Hali ahead of Kiwi, the kid has got great moves and is lightning getting off the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeOiler Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 we have so many needs, i would be against trading away picks to move up a couple of spots. We should get an excellent player at #8, probably the answer to DT. (hopefully) Interesting that the DL coach was the 1st assistant hired....wonder if that says anything about the way the bills are leaning with that 1st pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 He looks very good and is clearly the OL class of this draft, but I simply do not see D'Brick being such a stone cold lock that we can trade up for him. I think we only take him if he slips to #8 and also if no one is welling to trade us additional resources for the #8. 583118[/snapback] I agree with what FFS said in his post, especially this point. As for the OL, I would rather see the Bills target the expereinced OL in FA so the Bills KNOW what they are getting from the OL versus what COULD BE. It appears that the Bills have talent at the skill position on offense to succeed right now (Willis, Evans, Moulds) Go out and get proven guys on the OL to best utilize that talent. And you know what? if the OL play improves and the skill position players production does NOT improve that much, then the Bills know they have to make some changes in the skill positions. For once and for all, lets find out if a guy like Willis is worth holding onto for years to come. While most of us here realize there is a lot of work to do to get the Bills to legitimate SB contender status, the Bills do need to show improvements sooner then later, so landing a very good LT or C that can be succesful right now to me makes more sense, and not paying to move up in the draft so the Bills can have a well balanced draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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