Debate Over: Drake Maye can’t hold Josh Allen’s jockstrap

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Which is total nonsense and makes you one of the people talking reckless.

Take it easy! Allen is better than Maye but Maye is unquestionably having a good year. He has a better completion percentage, ypa rate, passer rating, and QBR rating than Allen right now. He also leads the league in adjusted yards per attempt (a key stat) and completion percentage. This is not to say that he's better than Allen, who in my opinion is the best player in the league. Maye isn't, and obviously numbers don't tell the full story. But to start a thread saying he's essentially trash compared to Allen just seems a little strange to me.  He did outperform Allen in the earlier game this season too, and that game counts in the standings. Bottom line - he's a very good qb who, barring serious injury, is likely to improve over time. Just like Allen did. I wish he wasn't in the division. 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Which is total nonsense and makes you one of the people talking reckless.

 If you think “Drake Maye has been better this season” is “talking reckless” you are weak.  

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I said he’s been a better passer THIS SEASON.  He had been.  I also said that Josh is the better QB, no doubt.  There IS more to playing QB than passing. 
 

You should really try and develop some thicker skin and not let everything get you so riled up with regards to 17.  

 

 

I didn't see "this season" context in your post.    

 

I'm a Drake Maye fan.  I know he's a good dude.  He's an excellent passer and a good athlete who can run like hell in a straight line.   But we are a little spoiled in this division.  We haven't had to face a Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence twice per year ever, really.   The closest to that type we've had to face regularly was converted WR Ryan Tannehill when he was with the Dolphins early on.  And he burned us with his legs a bunch early on and threw a beautiful deep ball.

 

Point is that there are other big, athletic QB's who can probably run a faster 40 and have a prettier throwing motion than Josh Allen and might throw some passes better.  

 

But Allen is the closest to being able to do ANYTHING he wants on a field as there ever has been at QB.  He's unique in that regard.   

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

It's hard to project how good Maye will become.  He particularly throws a nice deep ball, but he can make all the throws.  But can he make them with enough consistency?  Can he make improbable plays when his team needs him most?  Yesterday, he couldn't but a bad half is too small a slice of time to be predictive.  

 

Maye may not have a lot of talent on the outside, but he does have a good OC.  McDaniels is better at coordinating a downfield passing game than Joe Brady, even if that wasn't in evidence in the second half of yesterday's game.  

Technically for a half Allen couldn’t make any plays..  I have no idea how great Maye will be, I do think he will be top 5 because he can make all the throws and do it under duress.. can he do it consistently or in the last 2 minutes? we don’t know yet.. he is young and still learning and yesterday I blame 100%!on the D.. you need make at least a couple stops in a half no excuses no Bull about refs etc they need to make stops.. IMO it’s unfair to ask a 23 yr old to go toe to toe with the reigning MVP and just beat him blow for blow.. (mind you their stat lines were scary similar 199 yards to 155 yards 3 TD to 2 TD (rushing for Maye) )  I would say 98% of the NFL QB will lose whe their D can’t stop the opposing D even once when it mattered in a half.. (closest they came was the 4th down PI completed pass that was sus lol)

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 If you think “Drake Maye has been better this season” is “talking reckless” you are weak.  

 

Yeah @Einsteinis being hyperbolic but I think you were a bit of a prisoner of the moment in your take though.   

 

There are things for Patriots fans to be concerned about with Maye.  

 

Going back to UNC sometimes the moment would get to big for him.  On the hoof he should have been the #1 overall pick but he might not have everything that Mahomes/Allen/Burrow have.   He might be that next tier.

 

I watched every snap of his rookie year and was miffed at some of the things he did.   In a late season game against the Chargers he took 2 sacks on 4th down.   That kind of stuff may happen once in a decade to Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes.  And that's the level Allen is on.   I'm not sure Maye will ever get there.  

 

Doesn't mean he won't be a stud but with all the one year wonder QB'ing we've seen recently(Stroud, Daniels for example) I think we gotta' let it play out before we crown Maye as elite.

[BVBILLS]

I think he's a great QB. Too bad the Pats have him.

[K-9]

23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Take it easy! Allen is better than Maye but Maye is unquestionably having a good year. He has a better completion percentage, ypa rate, passer rating, and QBR rating than Allen right now. He also leads the league in adjusted yards per attempt (a key stat) and completion percentage. This is not to say that he's better than Allen, who in my opinion is the best player in the league. Maye isn't, and obviously numbers don't tell the full story. But to start a thread saying he's essentially trash compared to Allen just seems a little strange to me.  He did outperform Allen in the earlier game this season too, and that game counts in the standings. Bottom line - he's a very good qb who, barring serious injury, is likely to improve over time. Just like Allen did. I wish he wasn't in the division. 

I’ve said for years that there is a huge difference between being a quarterback and being a passer. Maye is a great passer, but is still evolving as a quarterback, which is to be expected given he’s only in year two. He’s got all the tools and he will be a problem for us and the rest of the league as he matures as a QB in this league.
 

I can’t blame Pats*** fans for being stoked about his potential but is unfair to him to be put on the same level as Josh and other great QBs at this stage. 

[NewEra]

On 12/8/2025 at 7:46 AM, NewEra said:

Josh is the better QB.  No doubt.  I do think Maye has been better if your sample siz is the 2025 season.  It helps that he has better WRs and McDaniels/Vrabel.  I do think Maye is generally a more accurate passer in general.  His ball placement is incredible.  Josh had that type of placement yesterday, but I don’t think he’s as consistent with it.

 

this is my bullet proof vest:  Josh is the better QB.  No doubt

 

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I didn't see "this season" context in your post.    

 

I'm a Drake Maye fan.  I know he's a good dude.  He's an excellent passer and a good athlete who can run like hell in a straight line.   But we are a little spoiled in this division.  We haven't had to face a Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence twice per year ever, really.   The closest to that type we've had to face regularly was converted WR Ryan Tannehill when he was with the Dolphins early on.  And he burned us with his legs a bunch early on and threw a beautiful deep ball.

 

Point is that there are other big, athletic QB's who can probably run a faster 40 and have a prettier throwing motion than Josh Allen and might throw some passes better.  

 

But Allen is the closest to being able to do ANYTHING he wants on a field as there ever has been at QB.  He's unique in that regard.   

It’s in bold above.

 

these are the type of comments that Einstein gets all up in arms about.  He creates these narratives in his head.  Meanwhile, in the same post that I said Maye has been better this season, I also said that Josh is the better QB, TWO times.  The final body armor comment was written because I KNEW Einstein would get all butthurt and create some ridiculous fake narrative.

 

do you think it a reckless take to say that Maye had been better this season?  It’s debatable for sure.  If someone were to say that Josh was having the better season, I would disagree, but I wouldn’t go out and make thread calling peoples takes reckless.  Even after last game, it’s still debatable.

 

whats not debatable is who is better.  Josh IS better and there is no doubt. 
 

 

 

[Rocbillsfan1]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

 

Lol….this is what you’re talking about?  The post where I said multiple times that Josh is the better QB?  Because I said Maye “has been the better this season”?  He had been up until yesterday. 
 

Good grief man, or rather, Mrs. Allen.  You get so butt hurt over every thing said that doesn’t consume Josh as the greatest at everything.  And I’ve said multiple times that Josh Allen is the best QB ever.  I have the ability to think outside of my heart and say what I see on the field.  Maye had been a better this season.  Not a better QB. Not a better runner.  Not a better leader.  Not a QB I’d rather have at any point.   Yet you’re so butthurt that you make this post.  Toughen up

 

JSN has been better than every WR in football this season.  Is he the best WR in football?  

Talk about missing the forest through the trees. Bro you are just wrong and everyone saying this dumb argument is wrong. I don't care if Drake Maye had some better stats coming into this game. Nuance matters. No one has been playing better then Josh Allen and you cannot just point to stats and Maye beating up tomato cans as the reason that he was playing better then Allen. No one on Earth has been playing better then Allen EVEN THIS SEASON. 0. End of story. It's just an insane argument to make. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Rocbillsfan1

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Technically for a half Allen couldn’t make any plays..  I have no idea how great Maye will be, I do think he will be top 5 because he can make all the throws and do it under duress.. can he do it consistently or in the last 2 minutes? we don’t know yet.. he is young and still learning and yesterday I blame 100%!on the D.. you need make at least a couple stops in a half no excuses no Bull about refs etc they need to make stops.. IMO it’s unfair to ask a 23 yr old to go toe to toe with the reigning MVP and just beat him blow for blow.. (mind you their stat lines were scary similar 199 yards to 155 yards 3 TD to 2 TD (rushing for Maye) )  I would say 98% of the NFL QB will lose whe their D can’t stop the opposing D even once when it mattered in a half.. (closest they came was the 4th down PI completed pass that was sus lol)

You only blame the Defense? Meanwhile Maye couldn’t make any plays in the entire 2nd half other than a block?  7 points in the biggest half of his nfl career and the points were because Henderson same lemonade out of lemons.  Our defense stymied your boy and he couldn’t adapt.  It happens.  
 

that collapse was on the coaching, offense, defense and special teams. Each unit got obliterated the entire half of football.  But you only blame the D because you love your boy and can’t lay any blame on him.  Sounds like some Bills fans regarding Allen, so I get it.  I just don’t agree

 

4 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Talk about missing the forest through the trees. Bro you are just wrong and everyone saying this dumb argument is wrong. I don't care if Drake Maye had some better stats coming into this game. Nuance matters. No one has been playing better then Josh Allen and you cannot just point to stats and Maye beating up tomato cans as the reason that he was playing better then Allen. No one on Earth has been playing better than Allen EVEN THIS SEASON. 0. End of story. It's just an insane argument to make. 

lol.  Ok man, it’s an insane comment to those that want to wear Josh’s jockstrap on their faces

 

Drake had played great pretty much all season.  It’s you don’t think it’s even a conversation, I’ll see if I can find a jockstrap for you

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I’ve said for years that there is a huge difference between being a quarterback and being a passer. Maye is a great passer, but is still evolving as a quarterback, which is to be expected given he’s only in year two. He’s got all the tools and he will be a problem for us and the rest of the league as he matures as a QB in this league.
 

I can’t blame Pats*** fans for being stoked about his potential but is unfair to him to be put on the same level as Josh and other great QBs at this stage. 

It’s not unfair when you are talking about how players are CURRENTLY playing. Is Drake Maye better than Mahomes?  He’s certainly much better this season….but that doesn’t make him better.  

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You only blame the Defense? Meanwhile Maye couldn’t make any plays in the entire 2nd half other than a block?  7 points in the biggest half of his nfl career and the points were because Henderson same lemonade out of lemons.  Our defense stymied your boy and he couldn’t adapt.  It happens.  
 

that collapse was on the coaching, offense, defense and special teams. Each unit got obliterated the entire half of football.  But you only blame the D because you love your boy and can’t lay any blame on him.  Sounds like some Bills fans regarding Allen, so I get it.  I just don’t agree

 

lol.  Ok man, it’s an insane comment to those that want to wear Josh’s jockstrap on their faces

 

Drake had played great pretty much all season.  It’s you don’t think it’s even a conversation, I’ll see if I can find a jockstrap for you

Offense scored 31 points that should be enough to secure the win… period.. if you supposedly have a top half D that should be an easy thing to do.. the fraud wasn’t the Pats O but rather the Pats D that they spent a small fortune on this off season.  
 

as for Maye I give him credit he took blame for it even though I don’t think he should have.. the game plan was obviously to run the ball which they did very well.. the bills adapted and the pats O didn’t that’s IMO more on The OC than Maye. Maye shouldn’t be expected to read the D like Allen or Mahomes he isn’t experienced enough he needs the OC to be able change things up after the first couple of series.. my opinion of course but honest question.. would you have expected Allen to adjust to D changes in a second half in his second year? 

[Rocbillsfan1]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s not unfair when you are talking about how players are CURRENTLY playing. Is Drake Maye better than Mahomes?  He’s certainly much better this season….but that doesn’t make him better.  

Josh Allen has been the best player in football for the past 5 years including your boy Mahomes. Saying that Maye has been playing better then Allen is hilarious. You have no clue what you are actually talking about. Maye isn't in the same ballpark but almost no one is. Maye is having a fine year not even trying to knock him. I just think you have no idea what you are talking about when saying things like he is playing better because his stats are a little better and he's beating up garbage teams. 

 

Was Burrow playing better then Josh Allen last year? Are you just a stats guy? There is no way if you switched Maye onto the Bills the Bills would be 10-4 right now. You are just trying to sound unbiased by saying he's been playing better then Allen. No one does more for their team then Josh Allen. He is by far the best player playing the best this season right now.

Edited 4 hours ago by Rocbillsfan1

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

It’s in bold above.

 

these are the type of comments that Einstein gets all up in arms about.  He creates these narratives in his head.  Meanwhile, in the same post that I said Maye has been better this season, I also said that Josh is the better QB, TWO times.  The final body armor comment was written because I KNEW Einstein would get all butthurt and create some ridiculous fake narrative.

 

do you think it a reckless take to say that Maye had been better this season?  It’s debatable for sure.  If someone were to say that Josh was having the better season, I would disagree, but I wouldn’t go out and make thread calling peoples takes reckless.  Even after last game, it’s still debatable.

 

whats not debatable is who is better.  Josh IS better and there is no doubt. 
 

 

 

 

 

The bolded "THIS SEASON" is not in the screen shot where you praised Maye at all.   Yeah I think @Einstein is definitely being hyperbolic in his criticism of you but the screenshot basically just reads like "Maye is better this and Maye is better that".  

 

I don't presume it's in context but I do get the feeling that there has been a lot of grass is greener on the other side, prisoner of the moment takes about Maye this season.  

 

I think I have a bit more than normal Bills-fan perspective on the Maye because I had followed his college and pro career so closely and I've seen the kind of warts that we saw in the second half yesterday on a number of occasions already.  

[K-9]

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s not unfair when you are talking about how players are CURRENTLY playing. Is Drake Maye better than Mahomes?  He’s certainly much better this season….but that doesn’t make him better.  

Do you appreciate the difference between being a quarterback and a passer? 
 

I repeat, it is unfair to Maye to compare him to Josh, Stafford, etc., as a quarterback. He simply doesn’t have the experience at this stage. Feel free to compare passing stats all you like, but we both know there is so much more to being a quarterback than that. 

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Offense scored 31 points that should be enough to secure the win… period.. if you supposedly have a top half D that should be an easy thing to do.. the fraud wasn’t the Pats O but rather the Pats D that they spent a small fortune on this off season.  
 

as for Maye I give him credit he took blame for it even though I don’t think he should have.. the game plan was obviously to run the ball which they did very well.. the bills adapted and the pats O didn’t that’s IMO more on The OC than Maye. Maye shouldn’t be expected to read the D like Allen or Mahomes he isn’t experienced enough he needs the OC to be able change things up after the first couple of series.. my opinion of course but honest question.. would you have expected Allen to adjust to D changes in a second half in his second year? 

Thats not how the nfl works.  You scored 31 vs a team that averages 29.6 points. Meaning they often score much more than 31 points. The offense failed miserably in the 2nd half. Its failure contributed to the loss.  Just like your ST coverage contributed to the loss.  
 

I would agree that your defense was the biggest problem.  It’s just not the only reason you lost. Drake Mayes inability to move the ball with the game on the line must’ve been tough to watch.  

[Einstein]

58 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

It’s in bold above.

 

these are the type of comments that Einstein gets all up in arms about.  He creates these narratives in his head.  Meanwhile, in the same post that I said Maye has been better this season, I also said that Josh is the better QB, TWO times.  The final body armor comment was written because I KNEW Einstein would get all butthurt and create some ridiculous fake narrative.

 

do you think it a reckless take to say that Maye had been better this season?  It’s debatable for sure.  If someone were to say that Josh was having the better season, I would disagree, but I wouldn’t go out and make thread calling peoples takes reckless.  Even after last game, it’s still debatable.

 

whats not debatable is who is better.  Josh IS better and there is no doubt. 
 

 

 

 

You never said “this season” in your original comments in reference to Maye being a better passer. You said in a separate paragraph that his deep ball is great this season.

Youre only saying it now because you have egg on your face.

 

31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

The bolded "THIS SEASON" is not in the screen shot where you praised Maye at all…  the screenshot basically just reads like "Maye is better this and Maye is better that".  

 

Bingo!

 

It was posted during the crap on Josh period of this season and now many will backtrack their opinions.

Edited 3 hours ago by Einstein

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Do you appreciate the difference between being a quarterback and a passer? 
 

I repeat, it is unfair to Maye to compare him to Josh, Stafford, etc., as a quarterback. He simply doesn’t have the experience at this stage. Feel free to compare passing stats all you like, but we both know there is so much more to being a quarterback than that. 

What don’t you understand about THIS SEASON?  You do understand the difference between being a better passer, QB, RB, LB, CB THIS season and just being better Overall (in which I’ve said that Josh is the better). I said that to that point in the season, I thought Maye had had a better seasons. 
 

Again, who’s had the better season, Mahomess or Maye?  If it’s unfair to compare Maye to Stafford or Allen, it must be unfair to compare him to Mahomes.   Maye has had a better season than Mahomes.  That doesn’t mean he’s a better QB.  Why is it so hard for people to comprehend this?  

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

You never said “this season” in your original comments in reference to Maye being a better passer. You said in a separate paragraph that his deep ball is great this season.

Youre only saying it now because you have egg on your face.

 

 

Bingo!

 

It was posted during the crap on Josh period of this season and now many will backtrack their opinions.

I literally bolded my comment.  I said the sample size of 2025

[MasterStrategist]

12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Offense scored 31 points that should be enough to secure the win… period.. if you supposedly have a top half D that should be an easy thing to do.. the fraud wasn’t the Pats O but rather the Pats D that they spent a small fortune on this off season.  
 

as for Maye I give him credit he took blame for it even though I don’t think he should have.. the game plan was obviously to run the ball which they did very well.. the bills adapted and the pats O didn’t that’s IMO more on The OC than Maye. Maye shouldn’t be expected to read the D like Allen or Mahomes he isn’t experienced enough he needs the OC to be able change things up after the first couple of series.. my opinion of course but honest question.. would you have expected Allen to adjust to D changes in a second half in his second year? 

I don't know why people want to compare season 2 of Player X to Player Y.  Josh Allen ascended like few others have done in the history of the NFL.  Too early to tell on Maye, but these stat comparisons are just pointless.  

 

I said it yesterday, Maye is getting close to his ceiling IMO (having watched him a lot at UNC).  He plays within a very well-coached system in NE, on offense.  

 

But at some point, that "it" factor has to be evident to see.  We saw it with Josh his rookie year and 2nd season -- 3 4th Qtr comebacks in his rookie year & 5 4th qtr comebacks in his 2nd year.  Those are the "it" moments, do you have a QB that is going to go out and win a game that you had no business pulling out or trailing in a critical moment.  

 

I'm not gonna blame Maye for yesterday, but facts are he did nothing when it mattered in the 4th qtr.   That's just 1 instance though.  

 

Patriots haven't trailed in a 4th quarter during their winning streak.  And Maye hasn't had a single 4th qtr comeback to his resume, rookie or this season.  This isn't the only thing that matters, but he needs to show some of these traits and he'll get a shot in the playoffs / next few weeks potentially.

[Lafromboise]

22 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

delete this.  Win with class.

 

The kid is a great player.  Total nonsense

It's not about that. It's he's being hyped up as if he's in the josh allen, Patrick Mahomes joe burrow class. !@#$ stupid. Josh allen was 2nd  mvp voting HIS THIRD YEAR and the whole media world was talking him down like he's freaking garbage. now drayke maye is the second coming of christ? With the easiest schedule in the league? Talk to me when drake does something. GTFO