Big Ben on Mike Tomlin's Future in Pittsburgh

[GunnerBill]

The biggest problem in Pittsburgh is not Mike Tomlin. It is they can't find an answer at Quarterback and since Omar Khan took over they have not drafted great. 

 

If they fire Tomlin he'd be hired in minutes. 

[fergie's ire]

Am I the only one whose favorite thing is when the Bills ruin a franchise?  I'm thinking comeback Oilers...Bellichick and the perfect game...and now it seems like the Steelers.  I just love it.

[RyanC883]

21 minutes ago, corta765 said:

There is something to be said for continuity, program, and culture in football. Many of the best orgs in sports do not make drastic changes regularly to mgmt or coach if they consistently are winning ... whereas many of the worst orgs its change after change 24/7.

 

WITH that said... at some point you have to evaluate your goals for your organization and what you are aiming for. The NFL is vastly different from even 10 years ago, coaches messages can run dry at some point (even the best), and saying "hey we appreciate to the max everything you have done but we need to carefully do something new" is a proper approach when the majority of the arrows are pointing down on your direction.

 

The Eagles I have a ton of respect since Lurie took over because they org is consistent from owner to mgmt on what the goals are and the approach. They have had a few coaches since Reid but they do not settle for what they expect and all of the coaches have had anywhere from 3-5 years to implement their program. Additionally they have not had the benefit of a franchise QB since McNabb although Hurts is pretty good, yet have won very consistently in that time.

 

My uncle once said that in football once you have a winning org your goal is to keep that vibrancy and culture with good people for as long as possible without taking a wreckling ball to it. The Bills drought non surprisingly started when Butler and staff was fired who proceeded to help make the Chargers into a strong program.

 

This is true, but Tomlin, as you have stated, has gone stale.  This happens all the time in the NHL, and I think it's happening in NFL locker rooms more where guys just tune-out a HC.  Interestingly, Rodgers said that practice was "poor" the week leading up to the Bills game.  Whose job is that, the HC.  

 

interesting mention with the Eagles.  They fired a SB winning coach, then won another SB.  With the Steelers (perhaps Bills) mindset, Pederson would still be coaching the Eagles.  Actually, Reid would still be coaching (but would he have won there?).  

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The biggest problem in Pittsburgh is not Mike Tomlin. It is they can't find an answer at Quarterback and since Omar Khan took over they have not drafted great. 

 

If they fire Tomlin he'd be hired in minutes. 

 

This is totally bonkers.  Who wanted Pickett.  Answer: Tomlin.  Who wanted Rodgers: Tomlin.  Who loves the overpaid vets on D.  Answer again: Tomlin.  Who won only 1 SB with Big Ben in his prime with a stud team: answer again.....Tomlin.  Tomlin demands total control, which is rediculous.  The Steelers need a total reset (Tomlin likely does as well).  

[GunnerBill]

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20 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

This is totally bonkers.  Who wanted Pickett.  Answer: Tomlin.  Who wanted Rodgers: Tomlin.  Who loves the overpaid vets on D.  Answer again: Tomlin.  Who won only 1 SB with Big Ben in his prime with a stud team: answer again.....Tomlin.  Tomlin demands total control, which is rediculous.  The Steelers need a total reset (Tomlin likely does as well).  

 

He did have a big say in the Pickett and Rodgers decisions but in both cases he wanted them over the alternative of nothing. He wasn't Kevin Stefanski running Baker out of town because he must have Watson. 

 

Pickett was QB1 in his class now I never loved him or thought he was a first round talent but a team without a QB took a shot on the consensus QB1 at their original drsft spot without trading up. I am not killing anyone for that.... and then wanting Rodgers over Russ and Fields..... I mean that isn't a terrible call. 

 

If you want to say them having no QB since Ben is all on Tomlin it is definitely not. 

 

Their coaching remains consistently better than their talent evaluation and their Quarterbacking. I do think he might need to be encouraged to risk his no losing season record to allow a hard reset of the roster and if he was really resistant to that I would then consider firing him as an owner. But if he said, yep, I'm on board, let's accept one down year, clean up our cap and see where we land then there is no way I'd fire him. He is and remains a very fine football coach.

[gonzo1105]

I think it’s time for a full flush and a restart for everyone. I’d get rid of Khan and Tomlin but it’s most likely Tomlin will be the one to go and Khan will get his choice of his coach. 
 

Wouldnt surprise me to see if they tear it down a bit roster wise as well. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

To me they have an ownership problem. Since Dan stepped back it seems they have had problems. Up until Kevin Colbert left their front office operated as a unit but Khan doesn't have much personnel experience and it seems like Tomlin has assumed more power. They have stepped toward Madden when it comes to acquiring players.

 

It will be interesting to see how Art II handles it.

[Buffalo716]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The biggest problem in Pittsburgh is not Mike Tomlin. It is they can't find an answer at Quarterback and since Omar Khan took over they have not drafted great. 

 

If they fire Tomlin he'd be hired in minutes. 

He certainly would find a job very easily if he wanted

[HappyDays]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The biggest problem in Pittsburgh is not Mike Tomlin. It is they can't find an answer at Quarterback and since Omar Khan took over they have not drafted great. 

 

If they fire Tomlin he'd be hired in minutes. 

 

I think it's gotten to an Andy Reid in Philadelphia level where it is best for both sides to part ways. I agree Tomlin will get a job elsewhere right away - my bet is on the Giants who have some young talent and need someone to steer the ship more than they need someone to blow it all up. Pittsburgh has just gotten too stale and they need a fresh direction to energize the locker room and the fanbase. They're stuck in a weird sort of purgatory where Tomlin is too good a coach to have a flat out bad season which is probably what they need to reset the talent in the organization. New England fired the GOAT, had one awful year, and now look to be set up for the next decade. It didn't mean Belichick couldn't coach anymore. It was just time to move onto the next chapter.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think it's gotten to an Andy Reid in Philadelphia level where it is best for both sides to part ways. I agree Tomlin will get a job elsewhere right away - my bet is on the Giants who have some young talent and need someone to steer the ship more than they need someone to blow it all up. Pittsburgh has just gotten too stale and they need a fresh direction to energize the locker room and the fanbase. They're stuck in a weird sort of purgatory where Tomlin is too good a coach to have a flat out bad season which is probably what they need to reset the talent in the organization. New England fired the GOAT, had one awful year, and now look to be set up for the next decade. It didn't mean Belichick couldn't coach anymore. It was just time to move onto the next chapter.

 

Belichick was a big different. Not only because the results had been so poor but because he was the de-facto GM too and on that side of the fence deserved his firing. 

 

Honestly I wouldn't have fired Reid either. The whole "it's gone stale, fire the coach" logic isn't really for me. 

 

[machine gun kelly]

Not that I agree with almost anything related to Ben, he has a point, Tomlin could probably do well to coach in college.  I don’t know how he would handle the NIL influence these days.  That’s why Saban retired.

[VaMilBill]

I could be wrong. But is Coach Tomlin really a HOF coach? Winning one SB and going to another. Outside of that, his teams have been mediocre for years. I feel like his recent years of simply have a winning record haven’t really been that impressive. They are just a middling team. Is that what the HOF really rewards?