Darius Slay claimed on waivers by Buffalo

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

so who is right here?

 

7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

the 2nd guy it sounds like.  The highlighted part does not appear to even say what the first poster claims it says. 

 

Aaron Quinn at least provides the CBA verbiage as evidence. According to that, Beane couldnt contact Slay/Rosenhaus until Slay cleared waivers. If the 2nd guy has anything to cite besides just saying "wrong" then it would help if posted it.

[Einstein]

15 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

so who is right here?

 

They’re both right.

 

Backdoor phone calls and dealings happen all the time.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

They’re both right.

 

Backdoor phone calls and dealings happen all the time.

 

Yeah, I'm sure Rosenhaus represents at least one other player on the Bills Beane couldve called him about, and then slid in "So how does Slay feel about driving up the 90?"

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

You didn’t say any of that in the post I responded to. Maybe you said it somewhere else, but it definitely wasn’t in the rant I quoted. I replied directly to that post, the one where you called Beane a clown, trashed half the roster, and acted like the last eight years never happened.

 

If you want credit for giving out A plus grades, you might want to include those in the post you’re defending. Because what you wrote was the exact opposite, you said we only compete because of Allen, full stop, and everything else is “in spite of Beane.” That’s what I was responding to.

 

And honestly, if you lived through the 17 year drought and still talk like this team has given you nothing but misery, that’s wild. If you didn’t live through the drought, that at least explains the lack of perspective.

 

We can criticize Beane without pretending the Bills have suddenly turned into the 2008 Detroit Lions. There’s a huge difference between wanting better and acting like the last eight years never existed.

All I know is the drought, which is why I’ll gladly talk like this. 
 

My entire fandom was growing up during the drought. 
 

Sorry I didn’t get to experience Super Bowls like some of those upset I’m making comments about our GM that most of the NFL community agrees with. 
 

There isn’t some loud contingent of NFL people praising the roster around Allen.

 

There is zero part of me that thinks he’s a good GM anymore. I think he’s fine - strong in certain areas, poor in others.  And I think he’s fading.  This year being almost comical.  Bad extensions, bad signings and now two ridiculous situations where he’s somehow the focal point of our team. 
 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by SCBills

[NoSaint]

20 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Never said any of that. 
 

Specifically pointed out he gets an A+ for Allen, A+ for OL construction and A+ for Cook.  
 

We compete every year because of Allen.  Not because of Beane and lately, it’s in spite of Beane. 

even cook…. He was what, 3rd RB off the board? I bet if you do a list of the top 3 RB that are also taken by the end of round 2 

 

behind our line and with our qb… we probably have a lot of fun watching nearly all of them

 

a relatively elite talent in an ideal fit? If anything I’m almost annoyed how much time was wasted on his rookie deal before we embraced him

Edited 1 hour ago by NoSaint

[Tanoros]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

All I know is the drought, which is why I’ll gladly talk like this. 
 

My entire fandom was growing up during the drought. 
 

Sorry I didn’t get to experience Super Bowls like some of those upset I’m making comments about our GM that most of the NFL community agrees with. 
 

There isn’t some loud contingent of NFL people praising the roster around Allen.

 

Sorry I didn’t put all my posts together in one long Tale of Two Cities length novel.  I’ll be sure to do that next time since it’s apparently too difficult to read the second post I made praising some of Beane’s moves. 
 

But there is zero part of me that thinks he’s a good GM.  I think he’s fine.  And I think he’s fading.  This year being almost comical.  Bad extensions, bad signings and now two ridiculous situations where he’s somehow the focal point of our team. 

I hear you on a lot of this, and honestly I agree that Beane could have done a better job in a few key areas. Early in Allen’s career, the whole conversation was about protecting him and building a real run game, and Beane absolutely did that. The O line is the best it’s been in decades and the run game is actually a strength now.

 

But I also think that came at the cost of the WR room. While we were investing heavily in the trenches and the defense, especially the D line, and O-line, the receiver group slowly fell behind. And you’re right: the D line drafting hasn’t been good enough for the amount of capital that went into it.

 

Where I think we differ is how much that overshadows the rest. Because even with the roster flaws, this team is still competitive every single week. We can beat anyone in the league this season, and we’ve done that for years, that’s not something I’m willing to dismiss.

 

And this year especially, the injuries on defense have been brutal. Losing guys like Oliver and Hoecht completely changes what the defense looks like. With both of them healthy, the front seven would look drastically different. Some of this season really has been bad luck, not just bad building.

 

So yeah, the roster could absolutely be better. Beane has real misses that deserve criticism. But I can recognize that and still appreciate that we field a team every year that’s capable of making a run. That’s all I was trying to get across, we can want better without acting like everything is broken.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

5 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Or maybe no one else wanted him.  How many teams in week 13 want/need to add an over the hill, hasn't been good in 5 years DB?  I'm thinking most teams would have ZERO interest/need for a guy like this.

Hasn’t been good in five years but was a starter on a SB defense last year … that guy?

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Tanoros said:

I hear you on a lot of this, and honestly I agree that Beane could have done a better job in a few key areas. Early in Allen’s career, the whole conversation was about protecting him and building a real run game, and Beane absolutely did that. The O line is the best it’s been in decades and the run game is actually a strength now.

 

But I also think that came at the cost of the WR room. While we were investing heavily in the trenches and the defense, especially the D line, and O-line, the receiver group slowly fell behind. And you’re right: the D line drafting hasn’t been good enough for the amount of capital that went into it.

 

Where I think we differ is how much that overshadows the rest. Because even with the roster flaws, this team is still competitive every single week. We can beat anyone in the league this season, and we’ve done that for years, that’s not something I’m willing to dismiss.

 

And this year especially, the injuries on defense have been brutal. Losing guys like Oliver and Hoecht completely changes what the defense looks like. With both of them healthy, the front seven would look drastically different. Some of this season really has been bad luck, not just bad building.

 

So yeah, the roster could absolutely be better. Beane has real misses that deserve criticism. But I can recognize that and still appreciate that we field a team every year that’s capable of making a run. That’s all I was trying to get across, we can want better without acting like everything is broken.

We’ve been going back and forth but this is a good post - thanks. 
 

My issue is I hate how this defense is built.  You point to injuries, which is valid, and I simply think our philosophy is a factor in that. 
 

I hate, so much, how small the spine of our defense is .. and it’s by design.  Smaller players get beat up more.. and it’s amplified, somehow even more, by our offense wanting to be ball control - which allows the other team to continue pounding the spine of our defense with runs. 
 

Nothing about any of this makes sense. 
 

Small DT’s.  Small LB’s.  Injury prone DE.  Hoecht off PED’s, which are notorious in leading to tendon/ligament tears.  I’m not surprised. 

While it’s a great OL, the weapons are so poorly reflective on our GM.  You can’t miss twice on B level receivers, because they’re expensive if you sign them in FA, and he did it with Samuel and Palmer.  He strapped us with the Knox contract and then doubled down by drafting a finesse TE.. who, I’m not shocked, is hurt all the time.  Busted on a WR hardly anyone in the NFL community thought could play outside at a high level.  
 

Thats a lot of poor asset allocation on a roster for a contender.   And this year seems to be getting worse with his recent extensions and signings.   Now this Slay issue is just comical.  It was clear he wanted to go to Philly.. this was in the realm of possibilities when Beane decided to block that.  

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

9 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

Losing guys like Oliver and Hoecht

Hoecht played what? Two games max and we can’t survive his loss? 

[Mark Long Beach]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

All I know is the drought, which is why I’ll gladly talk like this. 
 

My entire fandom was growing up during the drought. 
 

Sorry I didn’t get to experience Super Bowls like some of those upset I’m making comments about our GM that most of the NFL community agrees with. 
 

There isn’t some loud contingent of NFL people praising the roster around Allen.

 

Sorry I didn’t put all my posts together in one long Tale of Two Cities length novel.  I’ll be sure to do that next time since it’s apparently too difficult to read the second post I made praising some of Beane’s moves. 
 

But there is zero part of me that thinks he’s a good GM.  I think he’s fine.  And I think he’s fading.  This year being almost comical.  Bad extensions, bad signings and now two ridiculous situations where he’s somehow the focal point of our team. 

 

Good lord.   ...you say you lived through the drought?  

 

How, and I do mean how, can you compare the GM lunacy that we had from THAT period to Beane's tenure?    The merry-go-round of inconsistency was crazy during that 17 years.  We had individual players who were great, or very good.  We even had some pretty good sides of the ball.  But never for very long, and no consistency.    We've had a long period of both with Beane.  (And McD)  

 

We were the 2nd winningest team and I believe we will become the team with the most number of regular season wins by passing a struggling KC this year.

 

You can say that Josh Allen is the reason, but there is a lot more to team building than that.   Look at all the other "franchise" qbs and with the exception of KC, they all have terrible support from a teambuilding perspective.  Joe Burrow, Stroud, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert.   Those teams are sometimes very good, but often not.  Beane's been better.

 

 

Beane sure as H- doesn't walk on water.  He's made and will continue to make mistakes.   Especially on free agent contracts IMO.  But to say Beane is comparable to the drought or not a good GM is just absolutely bonkers.

 

  

[BuffaloBillyG]

This, IMO is not a bad look for Beane at all. A player was on waivers and he claimed him. 

 

He can't help that Slay had his heart set on Philadelphia. And from what I see, a team can't contact the player or agent and tamper while a guy is on waivers. Y'all would have lost it if Beane did that and it cost the Bills a day two pick. 

 

Slay wanted to play the system and got played. And even if his agent tries to play hardball and not deal with the Bills next year as "punishment"...it's a poor look on the agent. If the Bills are high bidder for a player he represents, he would be leaving money for himself and his client on the table. Dumb move. 

 

If the Eagles wanted Slay bad enough, they should have given something up at the deadline for him. Maybe they tried and he wasn't available then. But in any event he can report to Buffalo and play ball ..or sit home. Bills should easily be able to recoup his pay if he doesn't report. 

[biggerdaddynj]

5 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Yep, Beane’s a real wizard  … anyone know what Buddy Nix is up to? 🤪

Buddy’s still searching for that WR who’s “open when he's covered.”

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Mark Long Beach said:

 

Good lord.   ...you say you lived through the drought?  

 

How, and I do mean how, can you compare the GM lunacy that we had from THAT period to Beane's tenure?    The merry-go-round of inconsistency was crazy during that 17 years.  We had individual players who were great, or very good.  We even had some pretty good sides of the ball.  But never for very long, and no consistency.    We've had a long period of both with Beane.  (And McD)  

 

We were the 2nd winningest team and I believe we will become the team with the most number of regular season wins by passing a struggling KC this year.

 

You can say that Josh Allen is the reason, but there is a lot more to team building than that.   Look at all the other "franchise" qbs and with the exception of KC, they all have terrible support from a teambuilding perspective.  Joe Burrow, Stroud, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert.   Those teams are sometimes very good, but often not.  Beane's been better.

 

 

Beane sure as H- doesn't walk on water.  He's made and will continue to make mistakes.   Especially on free agent contracts IMO.  But to say Beane is comparable to the drought or not a good GM is just absolutely bonkers.

 

  

Josh Allen (and his durability) are the reason. 
 

Baltimore has had better rosters but Lamar has had injuries and chokes in the playoffs. 
 

Joe Burrow’s injury issues are the biggest reason the Bengals haven’t been consistent.  You can say it’s because they’ve invested too heavily in WR’s at the expense of OL, which has perhaps led to his injury problems. 
 

Stroud and Herbert aren’t in the convo with the above 3. 

[Tanoros]

10 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Hoecht played what? Two games max and we can’t survive his loss? 

I’m not saying not surviving, more what could have been. He looked amazing. 

[billieve420]

Darius Slay going to be on Emmanuel Acho Speakeasy YouTube show tonight.

 

 

[Mark Long Beach]

23 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Josh Allen (and his durability) are the reason. 
 

Baltimore has had better rosters but Lamar has had injuries and chokes in the playoffs. 
 

Joe Burrow’s injury issues are the biggest reason the Bengals haven’t been consistent.  You can say it’s because they’ve invested too heavily in WR’s at the expense of OL, which has perhaps led to his injury problems. 
 

Stroud and Herbert aren’t in the convo with the above 3. 

 

Many QB's look like Stroud, and Herbert, but the team around them sucks.   Both COULD be top tier QBs, but we don't know, because the team around them isn't good enough and that's the GM's fault.    Look at Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnald.   Both sucked when they were on poorly run teams with poor personnel, and both have now been good on well run teams.   Both could have been much better for much longer if they had the support (and players) that Josh has had.

 

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

 

There isn’t some loud contingent of NFL people praising the roster around Allen.

 

 

There also isn’t some loud contingent saying Beane should be fired.  Beane is considered a good to very good GM.  He has his share of blunders, as has every GM ever.

 

He’s good.  I think he’s done enough with the roster over the years to win a SB.  Unfortunately, injuries happen and we’ll never know if his plan would’ve worked if one or two key players had been healthy.  
 

Take away Vons injury and Benford missing the last 2 KC playoff games and we’d have one imo.  Too bad that’s just make believe 

[Kelly to Allen]

Slay said in an interview with acho that he has nothing against buffalo but at this point in his career he didn't want to pack up his family to go somewhere new.

 

He did praise the bills organization.

 

Maybe he'll change his mind in a few days or couple weeks 

 

Mccoy said if this is your last year, go ahead and leave everything on the field with buffalo because they're a legitimate contender.

Edited 18 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

There also isn’t some loud contingent saying Beane should be fired.  Beane is considered a good to very good GM.  He has his share of blunders, as has every GM ever.

 

He’s good.  I think he’s done enough with the roster over the years to win a SB.  Unfortunately, injuries happen and we’ll never know if his plan would’ve worked if one or two key players had been healthy.  
 

Take away Vons injury and Benford missing the last 2 KC playoff games and we’d have one imo.  Too bad that’s just make believe 

Completely disagree with you about Beane being considered a very good GM.  He’s getting dragged a lot this year and not just by fans like me or hot take artists.  
 

Vons injury was brutal.  He was a beast before it.  But that’s the risk you take when you can’t build a DL and have to pay a mercenary.  
 

Benford has been out in consecutive elimination games.  Yet we still paid him. Hopefully that doesn’t continue.  
 

My only issue with the “it’s the injuries” crowd.. because in fairness.. we’ve been bit in big moments whereas Kansas City, against us, has not…. My only issue is that yall think it’s all bad luck.  
 

… I don’t. 
 

I think a lot of our injury issues lately are scheme (undersized defensive spine), philosophy (ball control offense that can keep scores close) and personnel (older, past injury history and/or finesse, undersized)

[Sierra Foothills]

I'm not a huge Beane guy but I am a fair guy and there's a ton of bad takes in this topic.

 

With what I believe to be a vocal minority, Beane just can't win and any roster move is simply an opportunity to pile on the hate.

1. The Bills wanted to improve their depth at a position that has proven thin in previous postseasons.
2. The Bills play the Eagles in 3 weeks.
3. The Bills could end up playing the Eagles in the Super Bowl.
4. The Eagles have an exploitable weakness in cornerback Adoree Jackson.

I couldn't care less what Slay or Rosenhaus think or want... and nor should Beane. His job is to try to improve this team.

 

JaMarcus Ingram? Really? Would anyone care to guess at what his career earnings are?

 

Should we take up a collection and buy him a sympathy card?

 

Edited 13 minutes ago by Sierra Foothills