Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[DapperCam]

4 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

He had good “stats” last Sunday in Miami too … are you going to tell us he played well? 

He did somewhat have garbage time stats on Sunday, but the Bills were battling to get back into it until that redzone INT.

 

Would you say Allen has had a lot of “garbage time” stats this season? I would argue he’s had almost none, and maybe 100 yards of this past Sunday were when the game was realistically out of reach.

[HappyDays]

Chris Simms on the Bills offense vs Miami:

 

 

I considered making a new thread for this but it fits into this thread just fine. I recommend watching the entire 12 minute video.

 

Nothing he says here should surprise anyone. Highlights:

 

-When defenses are able to stop the run, we have no counterpunch. He points out when you face playoff defenses you will inevitably have a game where you can't get the run going, and we don't have any answers to overcome that.

 

-Way too much is on Allen in the pass game. Nothing about it is surgical, it's all on him to create big plays.

 

-He blames the personnel more than the play calling but does criticize the play calling for dipping into the same well way too many times. The same concepts are constantly showing up on film. We're attacking the same areas of the field over and over again and Miami's defense was clamping down on it.

 

-Miami was in zone most of the game, cover 3 specifically 67% of the time. He says they were easily passing off our various crossing routes and we had no way of attacking them outside to get them out of those looks. He says "Allen can throw comebacks while sitting on his ass" but we don't have those routes on the menu because of our personnel.

 

-He criticizes Coleman in particular. He says that several times Allen hits the top of his drop looking in Coleman's direction but Coleman hasn't gotten to his spot and/or is jogging, so Allen ends up having to move on in the read.

 

You can tell how flabbergasted Simms is that this is the offense we've built around Allen. An all-time physically gifted QB and we're just asking him to throw button hooks and short crossers. We spam the same boring play calls and we have no one to take advantage of Allen's arm downfield.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by HappyDays

[Mike R]

23 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

This is all stuff we could see in the game.  The big question for me is why? Why do the Bills look like they are hungover in some games in the McD era? If this was the early 90s Bills it might be because they actually were! But this group? what is the excuse? Entitled players with little accountability? They didnt study any film? The coaches didnt study any film? Or maybe they desperately need a coach who is going to inspire them with a "win one for the Gipper" speech like Marv used to (not likely). On Sunday I was hoping for someone to get mad. Just 2 years ago we had Diggs getting in people's faces but now we have just a bunch of people on the sidelines looking shell shocked when things are going south.

Well said. This group does not seem to care and just doesn’t show up to play some weeks. I blame McD for putting up with this crap and no vocal leadership on the team. Josh needs to quit being a yes man and sulking in isolation on the sidelines. Somebody has to rally the troops. The effort is clearly not there on game day and it’s unacceptable.

[dorquemada]

11 hours ago, T.E. said:

It's really sad to look back on. That was the year. Everything had fallen into place. They were peaking at the right time.

 

All lost because our coaching staff didn’t understand that a touchback doesn't run any time off the clock. Or that a team with three timeouts doesn't need to use the sidelines. I will go to my grave believing that McDermott knowingly ceded a field goal attempt because he preferred that to risking a long pass to Hill. It's just disgusting to think about the overall incompetence and cowardice.

 

I dont care what anyone says, that was the worst coaching collapse in modern NFL history.  McD's gameday coaching is a day late, a dollar short, and built to stay that way.  What's the definition of insanity?

[Mike R]

13 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

McDermott as the head coach sets the tone.  And his shtick is bland and uninspiring.  He is not a football savant in the mold of many great coaches such as McVay or Shanahan.  Even Mike McDonald seems to be the new top kid on the block as far as having a ferocious defense.  Or is he a tough guy like a Dan Campbell, Bill
Cowher, or a Mike Ditka who just looks at you, and you get on board.  He is basically a nothing.  Just watching Hard Knocks left me thinking what player is going to be motivated by this milk toasty middle age softie. 

 

The game unraveled against Miami when on 4th and 1 on our first series after Bishop made a great interception, and the Bills crowd screaming at Hard Rock Stadium, McDermott took the safe route and punted from our own 34.  He totally took the air out of the team and the very pro Bills crowd.  We never regained the mojo after that weak call.  And that is what you get with McDermott.  (I was there sitting right where the ball was marked, and was very disappointed that we brought out the punting unit.)

 

Josh has been with the team for 8 years now.  He knows the program.  I am sure he is disillusioned with what McDermott and Beane bring to the team.  (If he isn't, he certainly should be.)  Lets hope he can get his head on straight this week against Tampa.  And then at Houston and Pittsburgh the following weeks.  All three games will not be easy.  And I certainly would rather be 9-3 then 6-6.  Its put up or shut time at One Bills Drive.  

Let me get this straight. You’re saying McD is a milk toasty middle age softie and his shtick is bland and uninspiring? 
That is the most comprehensive and accurate description of the Bills coach I have ever seen. Add in poor game plans and preparation and horrible in game decisions a failure to adapt and change play calling when teams are beating you and you have the current state of the Bills. They will never win a Super Bowl.
 

23 hours ago, bmur66 said:

Does anyone else think that limiting Cook might have been intentional because he injured his ankle the previous week? 

I think it had more to do with Miami's big d line and lb’s were dominating the Bills o line and rb’s and it wasn’t working. The Bills had no answer.

[dave mcbride]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Chris Simms on the Bills offense vs Miami:

 

 

I considered making a new thread for this but it fits into this thread just fine. I recommend watching the entire 12 minute video.

 

Nothing he says here should surprise anyone. Highlights:

 

-When defenses are able to stop the run, we have no counterpunch. He points out when you face playoff defenses you will inevitably have a game where you can't get the run going, and we don't have any answers to overcome that.

 

-Way too much is on Allen in the pass game. Nothing about it is surgical, it's all on him to create big plays.

 

-He blames the personnel more than the play calling but does criticize the play calling for dipping into the same well way too many times. The same concepts are constantly showing up on film. We're attacking the same areas of the field over and over again and Miami's defense was clamping down on it.

 

-Miami was in zone most of the game, cover 3 specifically 67% of the time. He says they were easily passing off our various crossing routes and we had no way of attacking them outside to get them out of those looks. He says "Allen can throw comebacks while sitting on his ass" but we don't have those routes on the menu because of our personnel.

 

-He criticizes Coleman in particular. He says that several times Allen hits the top of his drop looking in Coleman's direction but Coleman hasn't gotten to his spot and/or is jogging, so Allen ends up having to move on in the read.

 

You can tell how flabbergasted Simms is that this is the offense we've built around Allen. An all-time physically gifted QB and we're just asking him to throw button hooks and short crossers. We spam the same boring play calls and we have no one to take advantage of Allen's arm downfield.

 

Thank you. This is a lot more convincing than Kubiak. And Simms was a better player at the QB position than position Kubiak, for what it’s worth.

16 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

But again Dave, Jim Kubiak was a star quarterback in high school and in college where he was a 3 year starter. He set 22 school records at the Naval Academy. He played in the NFL for the Panthers, Colts and the Jets. He played in NFL Europe. He's coached college and in the Arena League. He runs a QB academy.

 

He has a lot of credibility even when he's critiquing Josh.

 

Watch the Chris Simms video in this thread at the top of page 17. It is to my mind more convincing than Kubiak. 

[Lost]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Chris Simms on the Bills offense vs Miami:

 

 

I considered making a new thread for this but it fits into this thread just fine. I recommend watching the entire 12 minute video.

 

Nothing he says here should surprise anyone. Highlights:

 

-When defenses are able to stop the run, we have no counterpunch. He points out when you face playoff defenses you will inevitably have a game where you can't get the run going, and we don't have any answers to overcome that.

 

-Way too much is on Allen in the pass game. Nothing about it is surgical, it's all on him to create big plays.

 

-He blames the personnel more than the play calling but does criticize the play calling for dipping into the same well way too many times. The same concepts are constantly showing up on film. We're attacking the same areas of the field over and over again and Miami's defense was clamping down on it.

 

-Miami was in zone most of the game, cover 3 specifically 67% of the time. He says they were easily passing off our various crossing routes and we had no way of attacking them outside to get them out of those looks. He says "Allen can throw comebacks while sitting on his ass" but we don't have those routes on the menu because of our personnel.

 

-He criticizes Coleman in particular. He says that several times Allen hits the top of his drop looking in Coleman's direction but Coleman hasn't gotten to his spot and/or is jogging, so Allen ends up having to move on in the read.

 

You can tell how flabbergasted Simms is that this is the offense we've built around Allen. An all-time physically gifted QB and we're just asking him to throw button hooks and short crossers. We spam the same boring play calls and we have no one to take advantage of Allen's arm downfield.

 

 

This deserves it's own thread.   It's really f'ing sad that the whole world can see these issues even going back to last year.   And the with the arrogance of Beane, McDermott and Brady they just didn't seem to care.  

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Lost said:

 

This deserves it's own thread.   It's really f'ing sad that the whole world can see these issues even going back to last year.   And the with the arrogance of Beane, McDermott and Brady they just didn't seem to care.  

Agreed, I think it deserves its own thread like Kubiak. It’s buried on page 17 of this one and I suspect a lot of folks will miss it as a consequence.

[BillsVet]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Chris Simms on the Bills offense vs Miami:

 

 

I considered making a new thread for this but it fits into this thread just fine. I recommend watching the entire 12 minute video.

 

Nothing he says here should surprise anyone. Highlights:

 

-When defenses are able to stop the run, we have no counterpunch. He points out when you face playoff defenses you will inevitably have a game where you can't get the run going, and we don't have any answers to overcome that.

 

-Way too much is on Allen in the pass game. Nothing about it is surgical, it's all on him to create big plays.

 

-He blames the personnel more than the play calling but does criticize the play calling for dipping into the same well way too many times. The same concepts are constantly showing up on film. We're attacking the same areas of the field over and over again and Miami's defense was clamping down on it.

 

-Miami was in zone most of the game, cover 3 specifically 67% of the time. He says they were easily passing off our various crossing routes and we had no way of attacking them outside to get them out of those looks. He says "Allen can throw comebacks while sitting on his ass" but we don't have those routes on the menu because of our personnel.

 

-He criticizes Coleman in particular. He says that several times Allen hits the top of his drop looking in Coleman's direction but Coleman hasn't gotten to his spot and/or is jogging, so Allen ends up having to move on in the read.

 

You can tell how flabbergasted Simms is that this is the offense we've built around Allen. An all-time physically gifted QB and we're just asking him to throw button hooks and short crossers. We spam the same boring play calls and we have no one to take advantage of Allen's arm downfield.

 

 

Thanks HD.  

 

And McD's takeaway after this game is to point at the OC and players who, admittedly bear some responsibility.  

 

Yet, the HC refuses to admit his off-season plan with the GM was to ignore the offense save for replacing Cooper with Palmer has failed.  Not much different than 2024's plan for that side of the ball.  

 

Using Josh this way is offensive malpractice.  He's also not blameless, but the problems are further upstream.  

 

We're beyond the point where the underlying root cause of this organization is the guy who has the most pull.  

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsVet

[Livinginthepast]

23 minutes ago, Mike R said:

Let me get this straight. You’re saying McD is a milk toasty middle age softie and his shtick is bland and uninspiring? 
That is the most comprehensive and accurate description of the Bills coach I have ever seen. Add in poor game plans and preparation and horrible in game decisions a failure to adapt and change play calling when teams are beating you and you have the current state of the Bills. They will never win a Super Bowl.
 

I think it had more to do with Miami's big d line and lb’s were dominating the Bills o line and rb’s and it wasn’t working. The Bills had no answer.

Many Bills fans feel eternally grateful for McD and Beane for making the Bills relevant again (I do as well). But a large part of the fan base feel compelled to say nothing and be polite when the same mistakes or poor decisions are made.  A large group of people on here regard any criticism of both a blasphemy, which is just odd to me. There is no point being Polyanna about this.

 

If Beane repeatedly misses on draft choices, signs players that are irrelevant to contracts where they are overpaid and cannot get impact trades done (Since Diggs), then he isnt the man to get us to a SB. 

 

McD is a defensive coach who has a bad to mediocre defense that cannot close the deal or stop teams in the playoffs. He is a terrible in game manager with the bad timeouts, challenges and strategy (in the season and playoffs). He seemingly wont allow Beane to hire outside the organization because he will lose control resulting in mediocrity in the offense, which he is definitely out of his element in managing. He also seems extremely poor in preparing his teams in some games or holding them accountable for poor performances (in game and after). I am glad he has brought a good culture here but I struggle to see what his upside is faced with all these provable negatives.  I have always said that if they win a SB while he is the coach, it will be despite him and not because of him. 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Mike R said:

Well said. This group does not seem to care and just doesn’t show up to play some weeks. I blame McD for putting up with this crap and no vocal leadership on the team. Josh needs to quit being a yes man and sulking in isolation on the sidelines. Somebody has to rally the troops. The effort is clearly not there on game day and it’s unacceptable.

Between Josh Allen’s strange interview with Marty Smith and Dion Dawkins insistence that it’s never Super Bowl or Bust .. the pillars of this team don’t come across as having what it takes mentally to compete with up and coming hungry teams and a maniacally obsessed MJ attitude leader in Mahomes. 
 

Love JA, and he’s the most physically

gifted QB in the league, but if he’s not going to be that obsessively driven dawg, it’s tough because there doesn’t seem to be anyone in this locker room who brings that vibe.