Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?

[jaybeezee]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Agreed.

At the top of their respective games, Chan Gailey was a much better football coach.

No matter what people say about him. He's had more success than anyone we have right now. He's won a SB with less than what McDermott has had over the last 8 years, minus this year and maybe last year.

 

We have one of the best qbs, as well as a top flight defensive until back in 2022, 2023 and still got dropped.

 

Can't say that Tampa Team was better than our 2022 2023 team.

[Augie]

43 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

I go to the games.  I buy my season tickets.  But it's more out of reflex at this point.  I don't blindly cheer for them anymore, almost 40 years in the NFL meat grinder has worn me down.  They win, that's great - high fives.  Lose, oh well.  Always next decade.  The athletes here today will be the enemy tomorrow (Diggs, Hollins) - it all seems trite at times.

 

I do like talking about what the coaching staff we're stuck with FOREVER can do to eek out a few more wins this season.  But that isn't what we're talking about here.

 

When I was a kid, I remember the Bills being my life. The mood of the community was affected by how the Bills did that weekend. That was for 14 Sundays a year. A few highs, but mostly lows during that time.

 

Now we are much older and we have a lot of other adult things going on in our lives. I still follow the Bills closely, but it’s not like it used to be. I don’t live and die by them.  I’ve been to 2 Bills games this year, both night games. I hate night games for a variety of reasons , and I found myself wondering why I was there. It was strange, and new for me. The Bills are a thing for me now, not THE thing.

 

 I like a good discussion as much as the next guy. I am painfully aware of things I’d like to see fixed.  For better or worse, the board is a lot like the outside world with very vocal extremes. That leads to a lot of anger and even some venom and name-calling. That’s not discussion anymore with where some of this goes. I blocked a handful of posters after the opener. That helped to get rid of that much pure negativity. It’s a weird place for me to be right now. I don’t mind the Bills as much as some of the fans.*

 

 

*Nothing personal to anyone, honestly. We’re just different, that’s all. 

 

 

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[mjt328]

1 hour ago, ScotSHO said:

Short of a massive sexual assault scandal, the HC and GM will not change in at least 2 seasons.

 

People keep saying this.  But you would be surprised how quickly things can spiral out of control.

 

When the season started, I would say the fire McDermott/Beane crowd was less than 10-20% of Bills fans.  Very much in the minority.  Now after the Dolphins loss, I would say it's at least 50%, if not well above that.  Pretty much everybody I know is done with them.  And as I write this, the team still has a 6-3 record, is still in the driver's seat for a playoff spot, and still (mathematically at least) in contention for both the division title and top seed in the conference.

 

There still seems to be some optimism lingering that Buffalo will turn things around.  But I'm not sure we see a repeat of the 2023 season.  The way this team has been playing on both sides of the ball all year long, I could easily see them dropping another 3-6 games.  The Bucs, Patriots and Eagles should be heavily favored at this point.  The Bengals could very likely have Joe Burrow back.  The Steelers and Texans are toss-ups.  

 

I'm not sure where the idea came from that McDermott and Beane are completely untouchable.  No owner was going to fire their GM or HC with the record they have amassed over the last 5-6 years.  But if they miss the playoffs, 90% of the fans in Buffalo and the voices in the media will be screaming for a change in leadership.  That pressure could be too hard for the Pegulas to ignore.

 

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[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

There is a ton of speculation that Beane doesn't really, truly run our drafts, and McD basically selects our picks. It was also rumored that Terry wanted Mahomes in 2017 and McD overuled him, so I personally believe this to some extent, seeing is how we draft heavy on defense and pretty much ignore offense in the early rounds. Then there's the speculation that they ask Josh for his input on FAs and draft prospects, so I am very confused to who really is running this team?

 Is it Sean, Brandon, Terry or Josh. I doubt  its Josh, so that leaves the other three. 

 

 

 

 

Beane runs these drafts. They are well documented on film during the draft and there is plenty of footage of Beane making/adjusting/remaking decisions in real time. This isnt a mystery or conspiracy theory. Every draft since 2018, Beane was in control of. McD isnt even in the room usually.

 

That said, every GM, all 32 of them (ok maybe not Jerry) gets input from the HC and coaches about what they are looking for in players for their schemes and how they want to play. McD's Defense needs light LBs who can cover, so that's what we get. But he isnt telling Beane "choose Terrel Bernard from Baylor". There is sooo much work and scouting that goes into putting a draft board together, most/all coaches simply dont have the time to contribute that much. You can also see this live in real time in the Giants Offseason Hard Knocks.

 

As for 2017, that was McD drafting based off Whaley's scouting department. McD (and Terry) knew they were about to change GMs and McD wasnt going to saddle the new GM with someone else's QB pick. Especially with the way the 2018 QB class was being hyped at the time. And especially suing Whaley's QB info. Less to do with the specific players and FO roles, more to do with timing. If Terry had been able to clean house right away and get Beane hired in January, we very well may have picked Mahomes.

[jaybeezee]

I would try and poach Dan Orlovsky from ESPN, as our OC if we're keeping McD. He knows a ton and is extremely insightful when he calls games, as well as his weekly appearances on One Bills Live.

[Dillenger4]

I'd take Jeff saturday!

And Like Kirby said above... Shoen as the GM because he can draft good kids but totally whiffs on ANY FA signing or opportunity and has run the Giants into a butt joke.

 

I mean now that the sarcasm is OFF - what the hell am I reading in some of these posts???? Joe freakin shoen from the Giants???? Brr ha ha ha! Unreal.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, jaybeezee said:

I would try and poach Dan Orlovsky from ESPN, as our OC if we're keeping McD. He knows a ton and is extremely insightful when he calls games, as well as his weekly appearances on One Bills Live.

Wheres Mike Mayock to be our GM? Lol

[Dillenger4]

That baked bus driver from St John Fisher training camp! He knowz da Billz!!!

[Low Positive]

Just now, jaybeezee said:

I would try and poach Dan Orlovsky from ESPN, as our OC if we're keeping McD. He knows a ton and is extremely insightful when he calls games, as well as his weekly appearances on One Bills Live.

First of all, I don't think he would take the job. Those TV gigs are cushy and probably pay a lot more than an OC job. Secondly, if you want to take someone from the booth who could call a game you should take Romo. Before CBS neutered him, he was calling both the offensive and defensive plays based on pre-snap looks. 

[Dillenger4]

Screw the GM and HC idea - Let's get a new owner. Terry is out to lunch. Just ask Pat Lafontaine. I did....

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I'll take sullen Doug Marrone returning over 'Chuckie' Gruden.  And when you do give me Marrone, I'll carp about him. 🤨

[Success]

I know we won't - but I'd hire Daboll.

 

He knows Buffalo & Josh, and it would be good to have an offensive-minded HC.  Beyond that, if we hired him, for ONCE we would hire an actual DC with experience and their own schemes.

 

[Dillenger4]

Just now, Low Positive said:

First of all, I don't think he would take the job. Those TV gigs are cushy and probably pay a lot more than an OC job. Secondly, if you want to take someone from the booth who could call a game you should take Romo. Before CBS neutered him, he was calling both the offensive and defensive plays based on pre-snap looks. 

It would take Romo 47 seconds to get a play call in. NOPE

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Dillenger4 said:

I'd take Jeff saturday!

And Like Kirby said above... Shoen as the GM because he can draft good kids but totally whiffs on ANY FA signing or opportunity and has run the Giants into a butt joke.

 

I mean now that the sarcasm is OFF - what the hell am I reading in some of these posts???? Joe freakin shoen from the Giants???? Brr ha ha ha! Unreal.

Joe Schoen has a scouting background and familiarity with Pegula. He drafted the likely offensive and defensive rookies of the year this year. He drafted a superstar last year too. Schoen is a much better talent evaluator than Beane. Lol, Beane would probably admit to that. We don’t need a guy at this point to be the “ceo” of football ops. We need a guy that find more high end talent. Schoen likely stays at the Giants though. 

[GerstAusGosheim]

1 hour ago, KingBoots8 said:

Neither will be fired this offseason barring something crazy happening

 

Would missing the playoffs with the reigning MVP of the league at QB count as crazy? 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Dillenger4 said:

Screw the GM and HC idea - Let's get a new owner. Terry is out to lunch. Just ask Pat Lafontaine. I did....

 

I thought Terry's oldest daughter is learning the ropes from Terry to become the next Bills owner when he is no longer around.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

That baked bus driver from St John Fisher training camp! He knowz da Billz!!!

He's no Slick Rick.

[colin]

22 minutes ago, stuvian said:

I am content with the status quo up to the point where we are eliminated from post season. I still maintain that there is more right than wrong with the Bills.

 

Improving on Beane will mean raiding the likes of SF, the Rams, Eagles, Chiefs, and Seahawks. It seems like many of the other teams are always dealing where we are so tight against the cap we can't do anything. If we whiff on a few draft picks its like starting over every season. Our contract resources on defense are not well allocated as a result. Our talent evaluation is mediocre at best. Our total lack of defensive playmakers is glaring. If Coleman is a wasted pick I will be ready to close the door on Beane. 

 

I have been a McDermott backer since the beginning but the clock is ticking close to midnight on this regime. Close isn't good enough any more.

 

I suspect Terry will take a big swing if he cleans house. Something along the lines of Nick Saban, Mike McCarthy, Flores, Spagnuolo, Sarkisian, or Kiffin. BB is effectively black balled from the league if for no other reason than to deny him a shot at Shula's record.

 

I can't tell which is the real Bills - the one that lost to Miami and Atlanta or the one that beat Baltimore and KC. Let's let the season play out before burning the house down.

 

i wish i had a reaction to put on this post of a pondering the info.  I think you are more correct than any kind of wrong, but i have been thinking one thing (dangerous, i know) and hearing another lately that i'll chime in w

 

1)  some podcasts i follow and just rando twitterati have been going on about how McD and beane might not be the best of pals.  mcd is obviously super stubborn to the edge of arrogance and does not like being pointed at as the problem (he canned two OCs, had a battle w dabol, at the very least helped our prior DC walk out the door, and snap reversed keeping the ST coordinator).  Beane has an ego that makes mcD look like a monk.  lots of comments like beane saying we had/have a chip roster, that saying we aren't good enough at wr is stupid, mcd saying that he tells beane what he'd like, and then it's "his stage" to do the trades.  i used to think mcd called the shots, but i think more and more beane has become a power unto himself, but not over mcd.  for this reason, i could see beane getting the bum's rush and mcd staying, which would be kinda insane and would mean whoever came in as GM was just a scouting/contract/football operations guy and not a true GM (which beane is not either if he can't fire mcd).

 

2)  i honestly think mcD is a very good DC, and at the very least a solid HC.  i think the above mentioned stubborn/arrogance thing means he just won't bring in a high quality pair of coordinators.  no one who has been in and out of our building (save kromer, but i think he left before mcd, no?) has been anything but basically ass without josh allen (aside from McD as a successful DC).  i'd love him as our DC with an offensive mind at HC.  McD would fight for his side, get his guys going, and we know he can call a d.  if the HC in clevland gets the boot next season, i would jump head over heels for him as OC, especially of brady walks off into the LSU/Penn St sunset.

 

I think our FO is in a holding pattern because of good regular season success and the magic of josh allen in the same way our talent levels were in a holding pattern in the boring drought 7-9 days.  never bad enough to tank for real talent, never good enough to be worth watching, and the same way ralph was cheap (altho he broke that trend to get mario williams) pags is a disaster sports owner w the sabres so he is kinda hamstrung in the confidence to clean out guys department.

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

It would take Romo 47 seconds to get a play call in. NOPE

Collinsworth for GM. He's good at scouting young talent.

 

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Joe Schoen has a scouting background and familiarity with Pegula. He drafted the likely offensive and defensive rookies of the year this year. He drafted a superstar last year too. Schoen is a much better talent evaluator than Beane. Lol, Beane would probably admit to that. We don’t need a guy at this point to be the “ceo” of football ops. We need a guy that find more high end talent. Schoen likely stays at the Giants though. 

Was Schoen or Beane responsible for Boogie?