Bust or Breakout: Can Keon Coleman make an "Eric Moulds" style great leap forward

[Turf Toejam 34]

It has often occurred to me that Coleman's only way to success in the NFL would be to bulk up and convert to a TE.    I don't think he has the fortitude to try and make this change.   So, he will be out of the league in three years.   

[Brandon]

Maybe,  but I think it's at least as likely that at this point,  this is just who he is.  He can improve his technique understanding of his responsibilities in this offense,  but he does not have the huge advantage in athleticism that Eric Moulds had.  That's easier to overcome at some positions than others,  but WR isn't one of them.  

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

He’ll stick on the roster, because purging him would be an admission of a colossal screw up by Beane ( and Allen, because it was widely reported that Keon was the guy Allen wanted), won’t get a second contract, will go to a second team where he will fade quickly into obscurity. Glad he bought all the puffy yellow coats he wanted before the NFL checks are gone. 

[Pete]

2 hours ago, EssexBill said:

Keon wasn’t a first rounder either 

He was the first pick in the 2nd round.  That’s one of the biggest spots to trade back.  Every team resets their draft board after round one.  Each team grades players different, and almost always someone is available that had a 1st round grade, or is head and above all other prospects.

 

Im certain Beane turned down many trade offers, to select Keon.  I hated the Keon pick on draft day.  I hated we didn’t go BPA(Cooper DeJean), and in certain Beane turned down some great trades.

[NoName]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No, he was a 4.5 guy. I remember obsessing over the Pre-Draft stuff on him and Marvin Harrison in 1996, knowing one of them was likely to be ours.

 

He made the most of his 4.5 and was a guy that looked quicker than his timed speed, especially when he'd get in the open field. Unlike Coleman who somehow looks slower than his 4.61.

I can recall Marv Levy talking about him running a 4.4.  Additionally, he dang sure played like a 4.4 guy.  On a seperate note, the way Moulds attacked that ball in the air?  That guy was nasty when it came to snatching the ball. He played with a mean streak. With consistent qb play there is zero doubt he would be wearing one of those gold jackets.  
 

I will say that Coleman is definitely a better leaper than Moulds.  Comparing some of the leaping tds in the end zone, I feel that Coleman was more effective and wasn’t necessarily a strength for Moulds..

 

I met Keon in person and had a conversation with him and found him to be a real good person.  And the funny thing about it is he approached me to start a conversation with me with plenty of other Bills fans around. I really hope he turns it around in year 3 like so many others (including Moulds) did and I have faith that he will.

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[SCBills]

Keon is reportedly one of the most raw WR’s to come out of the draft with his late intro to the position and how he was used as MSU & FSU. 

 

But I don’t know.. he looks slow and weak.  And I can be ok with the slow part if he could win contested catches or didn’t get tackled like he weighs 120 pounds, but i don’t see one thing he does well… or even looks like he has potential to do well. 
 

I’ll try to remember that he made some plays before the wrist injury last year, but man.. he looks like the weakest, slowest, pretty much most useless WR I’ve ever watched. 
 

 

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[Pete]

13 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Hindsight is a hell of a thing.  For his first 2 seasons, Moulds was quite the whipping boy on this board back in the day.

 

A few scouting reports:

 

"Fantastic athletic-ability. Deep threat. Tough and will go over the middle. Aggressive performer with decent hands. Great runner after the catch. Needs to improve concentration and routes. “Me first”-type player. Moulds has much better size and potential than Glenn and Harrison, but he is inconsistent and immature. 1st-2nd rounder."

 

"Upside: Big receiver (6-2+), very good athlete for his size, huge vertical and big catch radius, collegiate production showing big-play ability.
Risk: Character/attitude concerns, perhaps not fully polished in technique/route-running, not seen as “complete” receiver at the time, more “high ceiling” than immediate starter."

Scouting reports were  completely wrong.  I wish Josh got to play with Moulds

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh good, a Keon Coleman thread. In all seriousness, not much to discuss, he sucks. It’s been debated on here for a year and a half. The Keon truthers have finally gone silent.
 

He’s not even really a bust. He was like the 8th or 9th WR picked and he was way overdrafted. Keon was an extremely flawed prospect that hasn’t overcome those major holes in his game. 

Hindsight rules!

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Hindsight rules!

Many folks did not like the Coleman pick at the time. His flaws were known and pointed out. His struggles are not a surprise.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Hindsight rules!

“Hindsight” 🤣

 

[FireChans]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

“Hindsight” 🤣

 

Shocked pikachu face when the latest Kelvin Benjamin/Devin Funchess/Devante Parker clone doesn’t have sustained success at the NFL level.

 

talking about converting to TE means we are right on schedule. 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

“Hindsight” 🤣

 

Wow. You really showed me. I'll go curl up in a ball now and cry myself to sleep.

[harmonkillebrew]

13 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Hindsight is a hell of a thing.  For his first 2 seasons, Moulds was quite the whipping boy on this board back in the day.

 

A few scouting reports:

 

"Fantastic athletic-ability. Deep threat. Tough and will go over the middle. Aggressive performer with decent hands. Great runner after the catch. Needs to improve concentration and routes. “Me first”-type player. Moulds has much better size and potential than Glenn and Harrison, but he is inconsistent and immature. 1st-2nd rounder."

 

"Upside: Big receiver (6-2+), very good athlete for his size, huge vertical and big catch radius, collegiate production showing big-play ability.
Risk: Character/attitude concerns, perhaps not fully polished in technique/route-running, not seen as “complete” receiver at the time, more “high ceiling” than immediate starter."

I hadn't seen the character concerns scouting report, but I remember at his first press conference all the reporters thought he was hilarious, but I just saw an immature kid. That's played out, unfortunately, in addition to his talent gaps. Not sure who at OBD is scouting these first rounders, but time to fire them and let the 4th round scouts take over 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Wow. You really showed me. I'll go curl up in a ball now and cry myself to sleep.

What? Just saying, if you think there’s “hindsight” to most of these thoughts, use the search function. You can go back a long time and find lots, and lots, and lots of posts on the topic from MANY posters. No one is looking back with hindsight like, “I’m really surprised this Keon Coleman thing hasn’t gone well.” 🤣🤣

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

14 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Many folks did not like the Coleman pick at the time. His flaws were known and pointed out. His struggles are not a surprise.

I didn't like the pick either but he did flash at times last year so it gave me some semblance of hope. One and a half seasons is to early to declare this guy a bust. If he still looks like dog doo doo after year three then its probably not likely to happen. Sounds like he's got some growing up to do. Hopefully there's something there and this crap season motivates him on to bigger and better things. I'm not ready to give up on the guy just yet.

 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, finn said:

Or Anquan Boldin. Although both he and Ward were considerably shorter, both were a lot less physical than Coleman. As others have said, he's big but plays small. Doesn't box out or sky for the jump ball consistently, hands not great, slow. Sure doesn't bring much for someone who gets more snaps than any other skill player. Can he develop? It's looking more dubious as time goes on. I think the best hope is the problems are in his head. Compare his FSU tape to his NFL tape; it's like two different players. (I've only seen his college highlights, though.) 

 

For example, on several comeback routes on the sideline, Allen throws a perfect ball with perfect timing to his outside shoulder, where only he can get the ball. Diggs thrived on those. Impossible to defend, even with such a slow receiver. Yet Coleman allowed the DB to make a play. That seems fixable. I mean, the guy is big. Allen could also throw way over his head sometimes, which I haven't seen. Coleman seems to love those climb the ladder balls. 

 

So maybe there's hope. 

the problem is you are comparing a highlight reel in college to what you see snap in and snap out

 

you could assemble a few fun highlights here too.