Shaheed to Seahawks

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

wait, you don’t trust Playoff Sam Darnold?

Made a lot of money betting against Darnold in the first round last year lol I really wish him the best but that was easy money 

[tigerthelion]

3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Deone Walker was a 4th. People act like high draft picks are just Halloween candy to give out for their favorite trade candidates. 

Maybe a first would have done it, then. Kair Elam for Shaheed? Sounds like a good deal for Buffalo. 

3 hours ago, Success said:

I'm in a minority - but I don't think he's the guy we needed, or that he would have moved the needle.

 

We have speed on the roster already.  We just don't really use it.  He's yet another WR3 on a roster full of 'em.

 

Not sure how much Shaheed would have moved the needle, but what is this speed you talk about?  Samuel, who can't stay healthy? Who else? 

[Success]

7 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Maybe a first would have done it, then. Kair Elam for Shaheed? Sounds like a good deal for Buffalo. 

Not sure how much Shaheed would have moved the needle, but what is this speed you talk about?  Samuel, who can't stay healthy? Who else? 

 

Moore is fast also.

 

[MikePJ76]

He would have been a great return man and an good wr who would probably produce at the the same level as our current guys.

 

i would have traded a single pick for him.  A fifth but that seems to me all a half season rental is worth.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

This on pssd me off considering what seahawks paid 

 grrr

[tigerthelion]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Moore is fast also.

 

Yes, he is.  Is he able to stretch the field, though?  Shaheed is no number 1, but he has shown an ability for big plays. 

[Success]

Just now, tigerthelion said:

Yes, he is.  Is he able to stretch the field, though?  Shaheed is no number 1, but he has shown an ability for big plays. 

I would have liked Shaheed - but I think Moore can likely do the same.  I'm not sure if we know how to use speed guys in our offense.

 

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Yes, he is.  Is he able to stretch the field, though?  Shaheed is no number 1, but he has shown an ability for big plays. 

 

What did MVS do in Buffalo?  Nothing, and few shots we took to a wide open MVS for what should be an easy score, Allen missed him by a mile (because he is not a good home run ball deep shot QB).  So we cut MVS and he immediately goes to NO and does what Shaheed did for NO this year.  

 

What did Harty do in Buffalo last year?  Nothing, yet in NO he was the Shaheed player for them before ending up here.  

 

Both of those guys were on the Bills last year too in this offense, and neither were used despite the same speed.  

 

Samuel is faster than Shaheed and Moore is at least as fast, might be faster with his 4.35 forty time (Samuel is 4.31).  We have seen both use that speed deep on other teams before Bills.  Neither is being used in Buffalo for deep speed.  

 

What do all 4 of those guys have in common?  They are as fast or faster than Shaheed and have never been used much at all for their speed deep since being in Buffalo in the Brady designed offense.  

 

Shaheed was never going to be any different, never made any sense, and was redundant to what we already have and dont use.  

[boyst]

54 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What did MVS do in Buffalo?  Nothing, and few shots we took to a wide open MVS for what should be an easy score, Allen missed him by a mile (because he is not a good home run ball deep shot QB).  So we cut MVS and he immediately goes to NO and does what Shaheed did for NO this year.  

 

What did Harty do in Buffalo last year?  Nothing, yet in NO he was the Shaheed player for them before ending up here.  

 

Both of those guys were on the Bills last year too in this offense, and neither were used despite the same speed.  

 

Samuel is faster than Shaheed and Moore is at least as fast, might be faster with his 4.35 forty time (Samuel is 4.31).  We have seen both use that speed deep on other teams before Bills.  Neither is being used in Buffalo for deep speed.  

 

What do all 4 of those guys have in common?  They are as fast or faster than Shaheed and have never been used much at all for their speed deep since being in Buffalo in the Brady designed offense.  

 

Shaheed was never going to be any different, never made any sense, and was redundant to what we already have and dont use.  

Ok fine. ... Id do...

 

Samuel and a 6th for Shaheed.

[NoSaint]

58 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What did MVS do in Buffalo?  Nothing, and few shots we took to a wide open MVS for what should be an easy score, Allen missed him by a mile (because he is not a good home run ball deep shot QB).  So we cut MVS and he immediately goes to NO and does what Shaheed did for NO this year.  

 

What did Harty do in Buffalo last year?  Nothing, yet in NO he was the Shaheed player for them before ending up here.  

 

Both of those guys were on the Bills last year too in this offense, and neither were used despite the same speed.  

 

Samuel is faster than Shaheed and Moore is at least as fast, might be faster with his 4.35 forty time (Samuel is 4.31).  We have seen both use that speed deep on other teams before Bills.  Neither is being used in Buffalo for deep speed.  

 

What do all 4 of those guys have in common?  They are as fast or faster than Shaheed and have never been used much at all for their speed deep since being in Buffalo in the Brady designed offense.  

 

Shaheed was never going to be any different, never made any sense, and was redundant to what we already have and dont use.  

counter: shaheed is better than those guys. 

[boyst]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

counter: shaheed is better than those guys. 

It's always funny to most fans to be in the position that we put ourselves in 

 

Over celebrate the guys on our roster well at the same time anyone we covet is the next All pro when we want them or just another guy when we don't get them. 

 

Moore is no better, Samuel has been better, Palmer is better, Harty was never better mostly due to size, and mvs was better in the right system with the Chiefs when featured as a number 3-4.

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

It's always funny to most fans to be in the position that we put ourselves in 

 

Over celebrate the guys on our roster well at the same time anyone we covet is the next All pro when we want them or just another guy when we don't get them. 

 

Moore is no better, Samuel has been better, Palmer is better, Harty was never better mostly due to size, and mvs was better in the right system with the Chiefs when featured as a number 3-4.

yea, ultimately Moore has never shown it. Harty made a few plays but wasn’t an every week WR2 (often wr1).
 

Samuel and MVS have flashed similarly but haven’t been at that level consistently lately. 
 

I don’t think shaheed was going to be our silver bullet but if a safety takes two extra steps back when breaking the huddle and his first step on the snap is back not forward… imagine what it does for all those underneath and middle of the field guys we have

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

It's always funny to most fans to be in the position that we put ourselves in 

 

Over celebrate the guys on our roster well at the same time anyone we covet is the next All pro when we want them or just another guy when we don't get them. 

 

Moore is no better, Samuel has been better, Palmer is better, Harty was never better mostly due to size, and mvs was better in the right system with the Chiefs when featured as a number 3-4.

Shaheed will likely thrive in Seattle's offense because of Smith-Njigba and knowing the offensive coordinator.  Here, you are likely right.  Brady wouldn't use him to his potential.  

[GolfandBills]

55 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Shaheed will likely thrive in Seattle's offense because of Smith-Njigba and knowing the offensive coordinator.  Here, you are likely right.  Brady wouldn't use him to his potential.  

Exactly.  Brady can’t even use the guys he has correctly and people think this guy would have been the missing piece.. lol

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, Success said:

I would have liked Shaheed - but I think Moore can likely do the same.  I'm not sure if we know how to use speed guys in our offense.

 

Moore with moore reps (couldn’t help myself 😂) with months in this offense already probably has a higher playoff ceiling than shaheed joining a new unfamiliar team halfway through the season on the fly tbh.  Obviously independent of rapport with Josh/learning the playbook shaheed is the better player though not disputing that 

 

also not sure if he’s improved but shaheed is a pretty bad run blocker im pretty sure which would def cost him snaps in our offense 

 

[NeverOutNick]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

Exactly.  Brady can’t even use the guys he has correctly and people think this guy would have been the missing piece.. lol

I’m not the biggest Brady fan but dude is only using the leftovers McBeane gives him every year. He sits in the corner during the draft drawing pictures while McD talks Beane into his 4th subpar D lineman and then afterwards they sign him a JAG #3 WR off the chargers and has an open competition with UDFAs, other teams retreads and PS players for the final receiver slots. Brady isn’t the most creative but he uses the elite players he has (cook and Shakir) while hoping the other JAGs can keep blocking well since we know they can’t get any separation (Coleman and Shavers) to actually make a play or run a legit route downfield (Samuel). I’d like to see what he could do with a real WR corps

[jkeerie]

59 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I’m not the biggest Brady fan but dude is only using the leftovers McBeane gives him every year. He sits in the corner during the draft drawing pictures while McD talks Beane into his 4th subpar D lineman and then afterwards they sign him a JAG #3 WR off the chargers and has an open competition with UDFAs, other teams retreads and PS players for the final receiver slots. Brady isn’t the most creative but he uses the elite players he has (cook and Shakir) while hoping the other JAGs can keep blocking well since we know they can’t get any separation (Coleman and Shavers) to actually make a play or run a legit route downfield (Samuel). I’d like to see what he could do with a real WR corps

You're giving Brady way too much credit.  He's not using Cook to his potential.  Before this past Sunday he was getting only 52% of the snaps, being removed from the field on 3rd down.  He finally was used on 3rd down in the passing game this week!  As to Shakir, and other WRs, how many passes are behind the line of scrimmage?    The constant criticism on this Board is that Brady is limiting this offense not because of the talent, but because of his schemes.  So I respectfully disagree.

[NeverOutNick]

6 hours ago, jkeerie said:

You're giving Brady way too much credit.  He's not using Cook to his potential.  Before this past Sunday he was getting only 52% of the snaps, being removed from the field on 3rd down.  He finally was used on 3rd down in the passing game this week!  As to Shakir, and other WRs, how many passes are behind the line of scrimmage?    The constant criticism on this Board is that Brady is limiting this offense not because of the talent, but because of his schemes.  So I respectfully disagree.

It’s a mix of both scheme and talent neglect