Who in the hell is conditioning these players?

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, NavyBillsFan said:

Honestly guys, this team has some SERIOUS issues with this department!  I just cant size up this picture with the injuries on this team.  EVERY year gets worse....  

 

 

It isn't every year, even though it does seem like it. We've had I believe two years with far below the usual numbers, one or so that was about average, and three of the last five higher than usual. 

 

The problem is that these numbers are always wildly variable, even on teams with great training and conditioning staffs. 

The largest amount of NFL injuries are unpredictable and unavoidable. Again, even teams with great preparation have years when they're over the average and years when they're under and average. It's when things start to be more unvarying that you can see you have a problem. And this staff is very new, so it's hard to know what's up with them yet.

 

Having said that, a bad staff can make a big difference. It isn't clear these guys are bad. If / when it becomes clear, I hope they do something about it immediately. I'm sure they will.

[transient]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

I knew someone who had to blow into this little thing before they could start the car. 

You’re a sicko… You couldn’t just give them the keys?!?! 

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm not sure, but the effort Epenesa displayed chasing down Mahomes on that big hit looked like he was gassed

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, UConn James said:

I don't think the situation is helped by McD's man-love for undersized guys at DL & LB. LBs here are ~ 215-220. I mean... 💁‍♂️

McDermott has a man love for undersized DL?  🤦🏻‍♂️ 

[Buffalo ill]

3 hours ago, T.E. said:

I honestly wonder if the majority of the NFL is on PEDs, and if that is the cause of recent injury booms. Just seems like an open secret in professional sports across the board.

They absolutely are on peds.  

[Buffalo716]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

McDermott has a man love for undersized DL?  🤦🏻‍♂️ 

Yeah he definitely prefers modern smaller linebackers compared to your 245 lb plodders

 

As far as defensive line goes we absolutely have one of the bigger 4-3 in the NFL.. or 4-2 in the NFL

 

We used to trot out Jerry Hughes at defensive end..250...

 

Now we're putting out 280 bosa , Gregg is 270+ .. AJ listed at 260 but I think that's cus they don't update lol...

 

Ed was our small guy.. but he's also a brick **** house ... And we have a bunch of good sized 43 DTs

[Ralonzo]

 

[Max Fischer]

2 hours ago, Slack_in_MA said:

In response to your added comment, and back to OP’s original intent, isn’t it an intriguing thought as to whether the Chiefs health over time is a matter of luck or better conditioning? I think it’s fascinating and I can guarantee that every team has some analytical wonk on staff who pores over injury data, because, as they say, the most important ability is availability.

 

I don't know the answer but I think it's probable that there is no significant difference in conditioning across the league. You would have to demonstrate that somehow the Chiefs are X% less likely to hurt because of Y.

 

That Y factor would NOT be a secret as  players and coaches coming off and on the team would be able to articulate whatever that is. So far, there is nothing to suggest that factor exists.

 

Perhaps adding to the evidence is this year’s rash of Chiefs injuries; yet no one is pointing to any changes that would play a role.  

 

With the margins of victory so small, sometimes it's just luck.  Like an injury at a position of strength rather where a team is most vulnerable. Like the Bills at LB and CB when they met in the playoffs.  It's not an excuse but it's also a factor.  

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

Cue all the online athletic trainers. This is your time to shine!

Edited 7 hours ago by Richard Noggin

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

They are millionaire athletes 

 

I really hope they're stretching a lot.. like they should be stretching for an hour before the game

 

I don't think conventional stretching is as simply/directly correlated with injury prevention as many believe. These guys stretch. But one of the biggest issues is that they consistently overdevelop many muscle groups (often with the help of PEDs which can be actively deleterious to ligaments and tendons) without commensurately emphasizing stability and connective tissue strength. 

[Max Fischer]

4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I think the quick twitch injuries (Achilles, calf, hamstring, groin) can be avoided with a much better flexibility and stretching program. These guys also need to better understand their bodies and how to avoid some of these.

 

The NFL is a multi-billion-dollar enterprise where by players are valued contractual commodities as well as individually incentivized businessmen. 

 

It's remarkable to believe that neither the team or the players “understand their bodies” - it's simply absurd.  

 

Flexibility and stretching? My God, how come no one has thought of that?

 

Forget the tens of millions spent to keep the players healthy when all they needed to do was read this board. 

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

I don't think conventional stretching is as simply/directly correlated with injury prevention as many believe. These guys stretch. But one of the biggest issues is that they consistently overdevelop many muscle groups (often with the help of PEDs which can be actively deleterious to ligaments and tendons) without commensurately emphasizing stability and connective tissue strength. 

 

That's an issue that is true but the NFL prides itself on its strict drug testing whether you want to believe them or not 

 

I know our dude is coming back from popping positive but he even said it was not from long-term steroid abuse  that he actively was doing 

 

But that he stopped checking up with all the supplements his trainer was giving him to make sure they were NFL legal and obviously some was tainted 

 

But he doesn't seem like a perennial ped popper like Brian Cushing

 

But yes those types of drugs that increases muscle mass doesn't increase your tendons or ligament strength and that's major reason why they are blowing out nowadays

[Richard Noggin]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

That's an issue that is true but the NFL prides itself on its strict drug testing whether you want to believe them or not 

 

I know our dude is coming back from popping positive but he even said it was not from long-term steroid abuse  that he actively was doing 

 

But that he stopped checking up with all the supplements his trainer was giving him to make sure they were NFL legal and obviously some was tainted 

 

But he doesn't seem like a perennial ped popper like Brian Cushing

 

But yes those types of drugs that increases muscle mass doesn't increase your tendons or ligament strength and that's major reason why they are blowing out nowadays

 

Most of this reads exactly like propaganda for the league AND the players, especially the textbook plausible deniability defense of blaming a trainer's negligence. Like these insane, very wealthy gym rats are just taking whatever they're "given" by well paid trainers without understanding potential risk/exposure. There would be litigation galore, wouldn't there? Prior to an initial positive result, players can push the envelope with respect to offseason regimens and testing schedules, no? Sometimes they push it too far and run into bad luck with respect to testing dates. But I don't think many of them unknowingly take "supplements" tainted enough to result in 6-game suspensions. Or if they did, then we'd hear more about that.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Most of this reads exactly like propaganda for the league AND the players, especially the textbook plausible deniability defense of blaming a trainer's negligence. Like these insane, very wealthy gym rats are just taking whatever they're "given" by well paid trainers without understanding potential risk/exposure. There would be litigation galore, wouldn't there? Prior to an initial positive result, players can push the envelope with respect to offseason regimens and testing schedules, no? Sometimes they push it too far and run into bad luck with respect to testing dates. But I don't think many of them unknowingly take "supplements" tainted enough to result in 6-game suspensions. Or if they did, then we'd hear more about that.

Considering most MMA fighters and boxers and athletes who pop say they all were given tainted supplements I'd say I do hear a lot about that regarding drug use

 

Very few come clean and just admit to being steroid users

 

 there's always that ex athlete who says tons of people in the league are on performance enhancing drugs... The Mitchell report in baseball back in the day had tons of baseball players names on it 

 

And I'm sure a lot of football players were using too

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo716

[dpberr]

Overtraining. I think some of these players go too hard in the offseason. 

 

And not nearly enough stretching and flexibility as some have said. 

[Richard Noggin]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Considering most MMA fighters and boxers and athletes who pop say they all were given tainted supplements I'd say I do hear a lot about that regarding drug use

 

Very few come clean and just admit to being steroid users

 

The majority of known MLB juicers have denied or deflected to this day. That doesn't make them innocent. If you know professional athletes, especially in more violent sports, then you know many of them have or will utilize banned substances at some point in their careers. 

 

I especially don't love combat athletes as evidence for how other leagues and athletes operate. Notoriously corruptible young meatheads and governing authorities.  

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

The majority of known MLB juicers have denied or deflected to this day. That doesn't make them innocent. If you know professional athletes, especially in more violent sports, then you know many of them have or will utilize banned substances at some point in their careers. 

 

I especially don't love combat athletes as evidence for how other leagues and athletes operate. Notoriously corruptible young meatheads and governing authorities.  

Well that's my point I know ped users who have made it to the NFL

 

They don't all pop positive either.. they know how to get around testing... The cycles are timed

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Richard Noggin]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Well that's my point I know steroid users who have made it to the NFL

 

But some of them never popped

 

Well sure, achilles tears are just one of many connective tissue injuries NFL players can endure. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Richard Noggin said:

 

Well sure, achilles tears are just one of many connective tissue injuries NFL players can endure. 

No I don't mean they're Achilles didn't pop lol

 

I agree with you that peds put stress on your ligaments and tendons that they didn't see back in the day 

 

I'm saying I know people who went to the NFL that used peds but they never popped positive on a drug test because they knew how to get around it

[Richard Noggin]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

No I don't mean they're Achilles didn't pop lol

 

I agree with you that peds put stress on your ligaments and tendons that they didn't see back in the day 

 

I'm saying I know people who went to the NFL that used peds but they never popped positive on a drug test because they knew how to get around it

 

Oh right, yeah for sure I knew that lol

 

That was part of my original point though, in that players and their trainers are pretty good at running cost-benefit analyses on training schedules and league testing protocols and determining how much risk they're willing to assume. But so many players are definitely seeking to maximize recovery and resilience with the assistance of all kinds of regimens, and that then allows those interested in mass and raw strength to push harder and gain more.

 

*so important to always reiterate that anabolic steroids in particular actively DAMAGE connective tissues in ways that accentuate the strength/stability imbalance of getting overly developed, especially when you consider the physics involved in giant NFL specimens accelerating and changing direction and sprinting like MUCH smaller humans.