What's wrong with Josh?

[3rdand12]

5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

More than one thing can be true at once

 

1.  We don’t have great receivers

2.  Allen is off his game.  
3.  The passing game scheme is not ideal

 

the receivers thing gets overblown IMO and while more talent is better and I acknowledge the lack of high level talent but the passing game can be effective with who they have.  The key is two and three which does not require making new rare earth people appear.  

Surely you can agree Josh does not have a reliable speed and hands threat such as he did with John Brown ?

That might put Allen back On His Game and improve the the Passing Scheme.

There's opportunities to fix that for few more days I suspect 🧐

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, BillytheKid said:

Can put this here or in Keon thread but Steve explains why Josh is getting off of Keon so quick and how he actually isn’t open even though people get in the comments and say he is open Josh didn’t wait long enough. 
 

Steve explains why those people are wrong and Keon is a bust. 

I actually watched most of this very casual dialogue

 Two clips but Smith made his point about Keon

Not helping Josh was their conclusion and not improving fast or far enough for the NFL

 Be something to really watch before deadline

[SCBills]

NFL Live taking a flamethrower to Beane and Brady. 
 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

Surely you can agree Josh does not have a reliable speed and hands threat such as he did with John Brown ?

That might put Allen back On His Game and improve the the Passing Scheme.

There's opportunities to fix that for few more days I suspect 🧐

Don’t call me shirley

[TFBillsfan]

47 minutes ago, SCBills said:

NFL Live taking a flamethrower to Beane and Brady. 
 

 

Don’t disagree with anything they said. Josh is currently 20th in passing yards! 20th! Shakir comes in at 45th in passing yards and Kincaid 58th. And yet Brady says he has no concerns with the passing game. 
 

They’ve neutered Josh from passing deep! I believe one completed pass of 20 yards or more this season. Adding insult to injury, they’ve also reduced his other super power with running. I’d rather see Josh take off running more if the WR isn’t open. Outside of Shakir hardly any of the other receivers know what to do while Josh is scrambling.
 

 So instead of everyone asking what’s wrong with Josh, that question should be what’s wrong with Beane, McDermott and Brady that believe in this approach and philosophy? 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

I actually watched most of this very casual dialogue

 Two clips but Smith made his point about Keon

Not helping Josh was their conclusion and not improving fast or far enough for the NFL

 Be something to really watch before deadline

He certainly makes his point verbally but the two clips he showed were terrible examples to represent what he’s getting at. 
 

The first is a reception where the DB is playing well off coverage on a slant. This doesn’t highlight anything he’s discussing (separation, awareness, etc.)

 

The second is a terribly constructed route combination of 2 on 3 in a zone that spanned about 5 yards of the football field. He can argue lazy route and loafing on this but again there is just so much at play here. 
 

If anything was lazy it’s that Smith didn’t take the 10 minutes he could have to find actual examples that reflect his more valid criticisms. He did that in his review last year. 
 

Again I’m not disagreeing with his analysis but he film review was weak. There are 3 plays alone in the first half that Keon was open later, or could have been targeted and Allen got off him quickly. I don’t know why he wouldn’t use these examples. 

[Shortchaz]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

NFL Live taking a flamethrower to Beane and Brady. 
 

 

I would say that anyone that thinks josh needs a vertical threat hasn’t watched josh throw a vertical ball. It’s not his strength. I would go as far as to say he sucks at it. If the argument is that it opens things up underneath, okay. He isn’t (ever) going to complete long passes because he has little ability to do it. He throws a line-drive ball. Little to no touch. It’s not a strength for him.

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

I would say that anyone that thinks josh needs a vertical threat hasn’t watched josh throw a vertical ball. It’s not his strength. I would go as far as to say he sucks at it. If the argument is that it opens things up underneath, okay. He isn’t (ever) going to complete long passes because he has little ability to do it. He throws a line-drive ball. Little to no touch. It’s not a strength for him.

The long ball to Gabe Davis in the playoffs against the Chiefs, the long ball to Robert Foster against the Jags, and the other long ball to Davis against the Steelers were things of beauty. Perfect downfield shots, like extended handoffs. I get that downfield passes are low percentage in general, but I do wonder why someone with an arm as strong as Josh’s couldn’t be more accurate.
 

Remember last year when Kincaid was wide open and got injured going after a badly thrown pass? The pass to Josh Palmer against the Falcons to start the game would’ve been an easy TD too if thrown better, but we were all just so happy it managed to get there. I wonder if Allen works on this particular pass in the offseason. At least Mahomes kinda sucks with it too.

[BillytheKid]

2 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

I would say that anyone that thinks josh needs a vertical threat hasn’t watched josh throw a vertical ball. It’s not his strength. I would go as far as to say he sucks at it. If the argument is that it opens things up underneath, okay. He isn’t (ever) going to complete long passes because he has little ability to do it. He throws a line-drive ball. Little to no touch. It’s not a strength for him.

You don’t understand why they would need a vertical threat then? lol 

 

You get a vertical threat to open everything else up. Also Allen isn’t as bad as you make him out to be on deep balls, most quarterbacks miss their deep balls. Not saying Allen is the best at it but there are many reasons to have a deep threat and Allen has completed plenty of deep balls that people definitely have to respect if they have a deep threat. 

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

NFL Live taking a flamethrower to Beane and Brady. 
 

 

 

“They gotta find ways to get guys open”

 

Yes… that is what’s “wrong” with Josh. Perfectly said.