What's wrong with Josh?

[90sBills]

Now this is how to LAMP correctly!

[Special K]

For the last five years, at the beginning of the season, I have said to myself "Well there is no way Josh can be better than he was last year", and he would proceed to go out there and be better than the year before......this is the first year that that is not the case.

 

He is still great, and making great plays, but he is also making mistakes..... mistakes that he just was not making the last few years.

 

He may not be playing his "A" game, but his "B" game is still better than any other QB in the league that does not look like Kermit the Frog.

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, Augie said:

 

But Josh is the only reason the Bills ever win anything. He is the savior, and everyone else just keeps their job because of Josh. I’ve read that repeatedly. 

 

People who swing too far one way or the other are missing the obvious stuff in the middle. Josh isn’t perfect, and the HC and GM are not as atrocious as some would lead you to believe. 

I'm going to get flamed here because I am unobjective 

 

Josh Allen is absolutely the most talented quarterback I have ever seen.. it doesn't mean he's consistently the best every game 

 

Michael Vick had talent through the Ying Yang and he is not in the Hall of Fame... 

 

Josh Allen is still not a finished product.. he still has room to grow.. in his consistent mechanics... In his progressions .. his fade ball to Coleman can be better 

 

Nobody is finished product including Tom Brady who got better all the time even in his thirties 

 

There's a level that Josh Allen still has untapped inside of him

 

The bills need to help him reach that but if he has to learn how to play in a run heavy offense and maximize 20 throws that's something he can still improve on rn

 

Instead of running around in a circle just throw the ball away and give your kicker 10 yd shorter field goal than what he got.. Josh Allen could be the best and could still have room to grow

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:50 PM by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The 3 sideline throws he's made over the last 2 games that went incomplete because the WR's couldn't get both feet in bounds was vintage Allen, particularly the throw to Shakir on 3rd & 10 against the Falcons.

 

This is the type of stuff that gets lost in the shuffle. Especially when we lose.

 

Allen has made some remarkable throws the past 3 weeks that would be top 10 Sportscenter plays if we had WR’s who could catch them.

 

But since they didn’t, fans forget about them and it’s “what’s wrong with Josh”.

 

Here is what’s wrong with Josh:

 

 

How many teams are Keon Coleman, Tyrell Shavers and Elijah Moore starting for - or playing 50% of the snaps - except for us?

[3rdand12]

21 hours ago, QB Bills said:

I know the Bills won big today, but it wouldn't be TBD without the usual whiners like me to come by and complain. 

 

I'm a bit concerned with Allen's game right now. He hasn't looked like his usual self for the majority of the season. Missing open receivers, not being able to escape rushers, and just looking kinda flat out there emotionally compared to what were accustomed to.

 

I know the receivers don't create much separation, but it's not like they revamped the room this year. It's mostly the same guys he had last year and although he wasn't lighting it up in 2024, he was still fitting the ball into really tight windows. There isn't a lot of that this year. 

 

I know it's not popular to criticise him here, so for the record, I'm one of his biggest fans. But out of all of the problems this team has, Josh Allen's play is the most concerning for me. Not that he's been horrible, but this team has no chance if he's not far and away the best qb in the league. 

His WRs .....  excepting Shakir. They are not where he expects them to be or not winning the matchups off the line.

He shouldn't have to go through his progression twice lol

 But yea , the pass game is not what it could be all around

5 hours ago, Pete said:

Mack Hollins for 1.  Josh would actually have a WR he could pass to beyond 7 yards.  
The Amari Cooper affect. We added Amari and our offense made a huge jump after he was added.  Beane has a hard time learning from mistakes imo

ooh don't get me started about losing Hollins 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm going to get flamed here because I am unobjective 

 

Josh Allen is absolutely the most talented quarterback I have ever seen.. it doesn't mean he's consistently the best every game 

 

Michael Vick had talent through the Ying Yang and he is not in the Hall of Fame... 

 

Josh Allen is still not a finished product.. he still has room to grow.. in his consistent mechanics... In his progressions .. his fade ball to Coleman can be better 

 

Nobody is finished product including Tom Brady who got better all the time even in his thirties 

 

There's a level that Josh Allen still has untapped inside of him

 

 

 

I’m not disagreeing at all, I was just trying to point out that we can be a very good football team with Josh playing pedestrian football. 

[3rdand12]

5 hours ago, ganesh said:

This is the stubborness of this coaching staff to be not creative...

You both can be correct here !

 

 

 

 

  10 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Footwork is off and pressing to find someone open. When one of our receivers is open, he doesn’t expect them to be open and I believe it is leading to accuracy issues. He is partially to blame as 17 advocated for Coleman. This guy cannot play at the NFL level. Shavers looks lost out there, Samuel is playing not to get hurt. We may have the worst receiving corps in the NFL. A slot receiver is our 1 (Shakir). Let that sink in.

The one thing I have been saying is why have we not split our backs out? All 3 can catch the ball. Put Ty or Ray split and Cook in the backfield. Put Coleman on the pine a little more. This kid has not earned the reps he is getting,

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

ooh don't get me started about losing Hollins 

 

I still don’t understand what Beane was thinking.

 

Hollins and Allen had chemistry. And he played special teams! And NE only gave him around a mill more than we paid him last year. I just don’t get it.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Augie said:

 

I’m not disagreeing at all, I was just trying to point out that we can be a very good football team with Josh playing pedestrian football. 

I wouldn't even call it pedestrian 

 

In Josh's bad days , he still is in control more than 80% of the league... He might go from the best quarterback in the world to the fifth best quarterback in the world 

 

Just the little game situations he can improve upon... But I also think at this point it's hard for Josh Allen to get up for every single game 

 

Brady went through stretches of the same thing... You know what woke Tom Brady up? Playing Peyton Manning 

 

Guaranteed bullets

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m not disagreeing at all, I was just trying to point out that we can be a very good football team with Josh playing pedestrian football. 

 

You’re right.

 

But you’re also talking to someone who thinks Allen should make the less than desirable WR room blossom because Tom Brady once won a SB with Chris Hogan (ignoring the greatest TE of all time, a top 10 slot receiver ever and the greatest HC of all time).

[thewookie1]

Josh’s problem is a combination of play calling, personnel and his own game being conditioned in a negative way. 
 

Josh has regressed in footwork and patience since about Week 3 where early signs began to show. How I see it is that Allen isn’t trusting his receivers to get open on their initial route. He was burned too much in the first few weeks and has only got more skeptical of his guys finding a hole. He has two starters he likes in Shakir and Kinkaid. Coleman fails to catch over the shoulder catches and it seems like far too often our guys are blanketed. Allen as such hesitates because he doesn’t trust his guy will get to the spot and/or bails out of the pocket hoping to create a broken coverage by brute force. He had to do that as a rookie when he lacked enough legitimate targets and again he’s using that playbook. 
 

Jackson Hawes has been a favorite extra target for him as he gets open often since he’s the blocking TE and gets broken coverages at a high frequency.

[BullBuchanan]

Allen has definitely been off this year, but I'm not concerned at all. I don't need him, or anyone else, peaking in October. I need him peaking in January and February.

Let them work out the kinks now, and if that means winning ugly, that's fine. Right now our offense is going through Cook, and it's outstanding that we have a team that can blow out the opposition when Josh goes 12/19 for 163 yards. There will be days it needs to go through Josh, but we aren't there yet.

Honestly, I'm more concerned that we don't have a capable back behind Cook. If he ever gets dinged up, Davis absolutely cannot carry the load. You expect to see a huge dropoff if your QB gets hurt, but Ideally we'd be less fragile at RB.

[CincyBillsFan]

23 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

This is the type of stuff that gets lost in the shuffle. Especially when we lose.

 

Allen has made some remarkable throws the past 3 weeks that would be top 10 Sportscenter plays if we had WR’s who could catch them.

 

But since they didn’t, fans forget about them and it’s “what’s wrong with Josh”.

 

Here is what’s wrong with Josh:

 

 

How many teams are Keon Coleman, Tyrell Shavers and Elijah Moore starting for - or playing 50% of the snaps - except for us?

Check this catch out yesterday by a Colts WR.  Do you think Danny Dimes appreciates this?

 

[3rdand12]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I still don’t understand what Beane was thinking.

 

Hollins and Allen had chemistry. And he played special teams! And NE only gave him around a mill more than we paid him last year. I just don’t get it.

remains a mystery to me honestly.

Seems like Josh loved him too.
 forget stats. he made some sweet plays and was a more than willing blocker. Not all receivers are cool with getting beat up play after play blocking LBs etc. They aren't all built for that.

Josh needs a new BFF at WR. Still broken hearted from the Diggs thing ? 😋

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

remains a mystery to me honestly.

Seems like Josh loved him too.
 forget stats. he made some sweet plays and was a more than willing blocker. Not all receivers are cool with getting beat up play after play blocking LBs etc. They aren't all built for that.

Josh needs a new BFF at WR. Still broken hearted from the Diggs thing ? 😋

Hawes is the replacement for Hollins, and he's an upgrade.

[zow2]

I can’t take the posts seriously who completely absolve Allen from some responsibility.  Josh is definitely not seeing the field like he used to or throwing accurately like you’d expect from an MVP.  Of course the WRs other than Shakir are not separating.  i haven’t seen the film, maybe they are NFL open some of the time.  But Allen can always use his legs to cause problems for the D and he’s not doing that at all.

[Einstein]

21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Check this catch out yesterday by a Colts WR.  Do you think Danny Dimes appreciates this?

 

 

I saw that catch. It was absolutely insane.

 

Meanwhile we don’t even have a WR that can make a routine sideline catch. 

[milfandcookies]

Allen just needs a better offensive mind to work with. He has peaked and this staff and system is getting stale 

[Psautcsk]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

I still don’t understand what Beane was thinking.

 

Hollins and Allen had chemistry. And he played special teams! And NE only gave him around a mill more than we paid him last year. I just don’t get it.

This! Mack was dependable,energetic and had great awareness. I wanted him to stay but the Pats needed him.

[milfandcookies]

3 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

This! Mack was dependable,energetic and had great awareness. I wanted him to stay but the Pats needed him.

plus his pregame routine was cute