Forcing Turnovers is the missing ingredient in this Defense

[BuffBillsForLife]

Turnovers are things you hope for, and hope is not a strategy.

[BeastMaster]

Oh, my goodness

 

Every team that's struggling can say their missing ingredient is forcing turnovers

 

I'd say a third of it is luck, another third is scheme and talent, and the last third is simply luck

 

You're better off relying on trying not to turn over the ball instead of taking it away cause that's more within your control

[JerseyBills]

59 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You cannot rely on turnovers to consistently get off the field.  When you have a defensive structure that often gives up long 3rd downs, you have to look in the mirror and ask yourself is this working?

Ya it's clearly not working,  hopefully with getting Max , Hoecht , Ogunjobi will add something,  idk if it's personnel or scheme or play calling.. hopefully it just gets better 

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

I hate to be an English teacher here, but the OP is using the wrong article in the thread title.

Explain plz

[zow2]

2 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

Turnovers are things you hope for, and hope is not a strategy.

 

Yep, it's too random.  Every NFL team teaches turnover techniques and emphasizes it.  It's not unique to the Bills.  As we all know a team can force 3 fumbles but maybe not recover any based on the bounce of the ball.

[SoCal Deek]

Why is this so complicated for some of you? Yes…it’s fickle for sure. We all know that! But….if you consistently lose the turnover margin you aren’t winning …period! 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why is this so complicated for some of you? Yes…it’s fickle for sure. We all know that! But….if you consistently lose the turnover margin you aren’t winning …period! 

it's not complicated at all

 

turnovers (and turnover differential) are both largely a product of chance. meaning over time you are no more likely to win the turnover battle than you are to lose it within a +/- 3 or so turnovers over the course of 17 games

[Nephilim17]

38 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Explain plz

"A" vs "the."

Edited 6 hours ago by Nephilim17

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

"A" vs "the."

That's a matter of opinion

 

 

[Nephilim17]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

That's a matter of opinion

 

 

You think turnovers are all this D is missing? I don't. Hopefully reinforcements make the difference.

[Special K]

There's a "forced" turnover by Groot......it can be done!!

[Special K]

There's another one!!!!

 

Look how the D looks when they force turnovers!!!

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

it's not complicated at all

 

turnovers (and turnover differential) are both largely a product of chance. meaning over time you are no more likely to win the turnover battle than you are to lose it within a +/- 3 or so turnovers over the course of 17 games

Sean McDermott eight top 10 defenses for turnovers created and five top five defenses for turnovers created shows that forcing turnovers is not luck or chance.. he's been here 8 years and we've been in the top 10 every single year including five in the top five

 

It wasn't with a bill Belichick team either...

 

It is something that is coached.. eight straight years of being in the top 10 of turnovers shows it is not random luck

 

It's a product of what you're preaching and coaching and than having guys who can take it away 

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Sean McDermott eight top 10 defenses for turnovers created and five top five defenses for turnovers created shows that forcing turnovers is not luck or chance.. he's been here 8 years and we've been in the top 10 every single year including five in the top five

 

It wasn't with a bill Belichick team either...

 

It is something that is coached.. eight straight years of being in the top 10 of turnovers shows it is not random luck

 

It's a product of what you're preaching and coaching

No it's luck

 

Believe what you want lol

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

No it's luck

 

Believe what you want lol

 

Nobody and no coach in football would ever believe that lol it takes a little bit of luck.. like a fumble bouncing the right way... but to produce it for seven or eight straight years takes a lot of coaching and execution and preparedness

 

That's why you're not a defensive coordinator because you think a coach who puts out top five and top 10 defenses every year for turnovers is luck lol

 

No it's always been a coached thing 

 

Talk to a coach

 

It's not random when you produce it all the time..  it is something that is coached to take the ball away

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Nobody and no coach in football would ever believe that lol it takes a little bit of luck.. like a fumble bouncing the right way... but to produce it for seven or eight straight years takes a lot of coaching and execution and preparedness

 

That's why you're not a defensive coordinator because you think a coach who puts out top five and top 10 defenses every year for turnovers is luck lol

 

No it's always been a coached thing 

 

Talk to a coach

 

It's not random when you produce it all the time..  it is something that is coached to take the ball away

Lol there are a lot of reasons I'm not a defensive coordinator but believing in magic is not one of them

[mikemac2001]

You called it but yes turnover battle is always important and not giving up 60 yard tds 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lol there are a lot of reasons I'm not a defensive coordinator but believing in magic is not one of them

 

So if somebody were a defensive coordinator in the NFL for 10 years.. and they had one top 10 defense in turnovers 

 

And then you had Bill belichick.. who had 10 straight years of top 10 for turnovers 

 

You don't think coaching has anything to do with taking the ball away?  yeah luck has a small part.. the random bounce of the ball 

 

Yet your coaching and scheme and execution and putting players in the right place to be around the ball is as important... It's lucky to catch a hail Mary 

 

If you have five top five defenses for creating turnovers in 8 years and never left the top 10...

 

That's consistency which luck isn't giving you for 8 years... There is a coached element, and there is luck

 

But luck doesn't get it done for 8 years that's when you know it's coached... If we were top five once and never in the top 10 again.. I'd say that was a lucky year the abnormal 

 

Doing it every year makes it normal

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[TFBillsfan]

Has our secondary had an interception yet?  For all the criticism White has gotten, Johnson and Benford are consistently getting beat. I can’t even recall the last time our secondary has had a pass breakup. 

[zow2]

Just now, TFBillsfan said:

Has our secondary had an interception yet?  For all the criticism White has gotten, Johnson and Benford are consistently getting beat. I can’t even recall the last time our secondary has had a pass breakup. 

 

It does seem like a lot of DBs we face, stick their hands in front of our WR’s for a PBU.  But people here will say it’s more because our WRs suck and Allen is often throwing to a stationary target.