Can everyone just take a freakin breath?

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, EssexBill said:

They had a similar WR room last year (minus Cooper) and figured it out, the biggest thing is that Josh Allen isn’t playing well and seems to be in his own head, if they sort that out then the team wins 90% of home games even with the receivers we have. 
 

Having said that, I expect us to run it down tampa’s throat the same as we did KC

The difference is that Josh Allen was playing as the best player in the world. If he regressed to “great player” this was going to be the result. The margin for error is nonexistent.
 

The thought that, “it doesn’t matter who is out there because Josh will cover for them” is beyond flawed. They should have built a roster to turbocharge him. Instead they said, “we will focus ALL of our energy elsewhere and you can overcome it.” The Bills philosophy is the exact opposite of what it should be. It should be build around Josh and address everything else after that. The chose to try to focus on everything else and whatever is left can try to help Josh. It’s malpractice.

[EssexBill]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The difference is that Josh Allen was playing as the best player in the world. If he regressed to “great player” this was going to be the result. The margin for error is nonexistent.
 

The thought that, “it doesn’t matter who is out there because Josh will cover for them” is beyond flawed. They should have built a roster to turbocharge him. Instead they said, “we will focus ALL of our energy elsewhere and you can overcome it.” The Bills philosophy is the exact opposite of what it should be. It should be build around Josh and address everything else after that. The chose to try to focus on everything else and whatever is left can try to help Josh. It’s malpractice.

I don’t disagree with you, I think it’s scandalous how Beane in particular has been in getting Josh the help he deserves since Diggs left, I think he’s really bought into all this big baller Beane cr*p and thinks he’s a celebrity now that he’s on Pat McAfee.

 

I’m just trying to see a way for this season to not be a disaster though and I still think there’s enough to pull it round if Josh sorts his head out. Although to me “pulling it round” means getting to the divisional as anything can happen after that, and doing that probably won’t get rid of Beane and he’ll do the same next season so maybe long term that’s not the best thing, so it’s a tough one whether to continue as is and hope for that bit of luck to get over the hump or blow it up as we’ve probably only got 3-4 years left of Josh at an elite level imo (he’s not Brady or even Stafford, he’ll never be a pocket passer it’s not in his DNA)

[BillMafia716ix]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The issue isn’t, “can the Bills beat every NFL team?” That’s a yes. On any given day the Bills can beat any team in the NFL(and probably by multiple scores).

 

The issue is, “can the Bills win 3 or 4 consecutive playoff games to win the title?” I don’t know how anyone can say yes at the point. They could have lost to Miami in the first matchup and got whooped by them the second time. The Saints were looking for the go ahead score late. They were pounded by Atlanta. It took a miracle to beat Baltimore. It isn’t a case of the Bills not being able to look good or win a game. It’s about them being to limited to win once the playoffs start.
 

They can’t win from behind because their WRs suck and they can’t stop the run. So they need to throw to guys that aren’t open and try to stop teams from running despite giving up 5.5 YPC (or whatever it is now). You can’t have the worst WRs in the league AND give up the most YPC in the NFL. You can’t win 4 straight playoff games like that. The Bills can only win one way and that’s a major problem.

They came from behind and beat a healthy Baltimore squad throwing the ball so they can do it. James Cook didn’t even go off that game. Right now they’re not getting what they need from Coleman and it’s hurting them. I think a healthy Gabe Davis can give us more than what Keon is right now and once we get Palmer back I think will see improvement from the offense

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Guess what... the #1 seed is also still very in reach, too. No team in the entire NFL has less than 2 losses. The Bills have 3.

 

Getting the #1 seed would be nice, but it's not like it's a deal-breaker for winning the Super Bowl.

While I agree, Beane has not given Josh the toys to really win.  We looked absolutely terrible yesterday.  They wanted it a lot more than us.  Most of you know I’ve been very pragmatic about the coaching and management of the team, but this is enough.  I’m old enough to remember how they destroyed us for a decade until that fateful Sunday in 1980.  I don’t remember the early 70’s, but knew how much my older brother and dad hated the Fish.

 

I was embarrassed to be a bills fan yesterday.  My wife had to drive her younger son to work, but think she also left so she didn’t have to hear me yell at my iPad (the Bucs were playing on tv, so I used a Chinese website to see the Bills).

 

[nuklz2594]

if this ugly loss was against a contender, we would all be less grrrr. we got ragdolled by the fish. that is the problem.

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

They came from behind and beat a healthy Baltimore squad throwing the ball so they can do it. James Cook didn’t even go off that game. Right now they’re not getting what they need from Coleman and it’s hurting them. I think a healthy Gabe Davis can give us more than what Keon is right now and once we get Palmer back I think will see improvement from the offense

They did come back against a bad Baltimore pass defense. They didn’t against Miami or Atlanta. They are not built to play from behind. They used to be but they aren’t now. If the Bills can’t run the ball and rush the passer, they’re a bad football team. If you’re behind, those are 2 things that you can’t really do.
 

It shouldn’t have been a surprise yesterday to see Miami win the toss and take the ball. Everyone knows that’s the formula to beat the Bills. The Bills should have went on that 4th down on the 1st drive. Once they get down 2 scores they’re doomed. They are last in YPC allowed at 5.5 (tied with the Giants). They have the worst WRs in the league. If you want to make a case that they’re the 30th best or 31st best, go for it but you can’t make a reasonable case for more than that.
 

So if teams get ahead, they run all over you. You’re forced to throw the ball and the only place that you can win is between the hashes 20 yards and in (sometimes WR screens too). Teams can take away your trash WRs and jam the middle of the field making it hard to win there. The “gameplan” to beat the Bills is simple. It’s REALLY simple. Now, can teams execute it is a different story. If the Bills get out in front they’re really tough. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Guess what... the #1 seed is also still very in reach, too. No team in the entire NFL has less than 2 losses. The Bills have 3.

 

Getting the #1 seed would be nice, but it's not like it's a deal-breaker for winning the Super Bowl.

Lol we're 2 games back in division.

 

[Dan Darragh]

6-6 baby!  That's where we were in 2023 before ripping off six straight wins and taking the division.

[Seventeen]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Lol we're 2 games back in division.

 

 

Barring a miracle, we're not winning the division with the schedule the Pats have left. 

[DrDawkinstein]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Have you watched the NFL ever?

 

It happens all the time.

 

Yes, there are other bad coaches in the nfl. So what? You're agreeing McD is no better than any of them?

 

Overlooking the Dolphins shouldnt even be part of our discussion as it should never, NEVER happen.

[Casey D]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The difference is that Josh Allen was playing as the best player in the world. If he regressed to “great player” this was going to be the result. The margin for error is nonexistent.
 

The thought that, “it doesn’t matter who is out there because Josh will cover for them” is beyond flawed. They should have built a roster to turbocharge him. Instead they said, “we will focus ALL of our energy elsewhere and you can overcome it.” The Bills philosophy is the exact opposite of what it should be. It should be build around Josh and address everything else after that. The chose to try to focus on everything else and whatever is left can try to help Josh. It’s malpractice.

But the Bills had one of the best offenses in the NFL last year. Everyone saw the D was the Achilles heel, especially in the playoffs.  So they devoted resources to the D to get it to a decent level to complement the O.  I mean that approach made sense to me. I am confused.

[Goin Breakdown]

20 minutes ago, Seventeen said:

 

Barring a miracle, we're not winning the division with the schedule the Pats have left. 

That's the difference between the pats this year and the Bills. They are focused and are beating the teams that they should beat (and maybe a couple that they weren't favored). The Bills aren't. I'm sorry but we played down and way down to competition yesterday. THATS the crap the Bills do. We didn't rush against the NFL worst rushing defense and we couldn't throw against a bunch of Practice squad dudes. Yeah we're not winning the division. At this rate we may or even see the playoffs. 

[Kirby Jackson]

34 minutes ago, Casey D said:

But the Bills had one of the best offenses in the NFL last year. Everyone saw the D was the Achilles heel, especially in the playoffs.  So they devoted resources to the D to get it to a decent level to complement the O.  I mean that approach made sense to me. I am confused.

They had a flawed offense with similar issues as now. They couldn’t make the play when they needed to because the receivers weren’t good enough.

 

Obviously the defense wasn’t good enough and needed to get better. It just needed to come AFTER they addressed the offense. If someone has the energy I would love to see the investment made in offense vs. defense over the last 5 years in terms of FA dollars and draft capital. I did it a year or so ago with draft capital basically using the draft value points of each pick to show their investment. The defense was well ahead of the offense and that’s before they used their first 4 or 5 picks on defense this past year. That gap is getting even wider. It’s insanity.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Kirby Jackson

[LarryMadman]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Guess what... the #1 seed is also still very in reach, too. No team in the entire NFL has less than 2 losses. The Bills have 3.

 

Getting the #1 seed would be nice, but it's not like it's a deal-breaker for winning the Super Bowl.

Nah, not happening, they will be lucky to make the playoffs, their flaws are bad and they're easy to play against. There is maybe one maybe two  guaranteed wins on their remaining schedule, NY Jets and Cleveland, the remaining games, they could lose all of them, they wont but they could, they absolutely wont win them all. Buc, Eagles, @Pitt, @NE, @Hou, Cincy, all of a sudden that cupcake schedule got a lot harder.

Edited 55 minutes ago by LarryMadman

[Psautcsk]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Lol we're 2 games back in division.

 

2.5 After Thursday

[26TrapDraw]

4 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

if this ugly loss was against a contender, we would all be less grrrr. we got ragdolled by the fish. that is the problem.

It’s not the problem. This team coaching staff and front office as constructed is the problem.

 

God Bills fans and their Denial

listen to me carefully. It will be easier to take.

 

IT IS OVER.