Plausible X/#1 receiver trade candidates — are there any?

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

The question is whether that language is posturing that could result in maximum trade value, or the plausible reality that they are going to keep a core piece for their rebuild and risk the injury factor. I don't know, but we are in a tight spot with few options. 

my guess is if we get someone it’ll be Meyers. Not sure he moves the neddle much, but he doesn’t drop the ball and put up rather impressive numbers last year with no one at QB

[finn]

4 hours ago, jahnyc said:

There are so few WRs that we would want and even fewer (maybe one (Olave)) that may be available.  There is an overall lack of talent in the NFL currently at the boundary WR position.  If Olave really becomes available, there will be significant competition to acquire him, and I doubt that we will be the team to offer more for him in terms of draft capital or current players than any other team.

If only there were a receiver-rich draft. Why, we could even move up in the first round and get one of the true blue-chip prospects, as long as we're willing to give up our second-round pick. But if I'm Beane and I'm honest, I would admit I tend to whiff on second rounders, so better one sure WR than, say, a one-dimensional receiver and a safety who can't cover or tackle. That would sure put us in a pickle the next year! 

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Did I miss something? I thought ESPN said they were working on extending him?

 

have you heard the Bills are interested or just wishful thinking like me?

 

Rickey Scoops, who despite the goofy name is a legit insider on Twitter, reported last week that the Saints are open to trading Olave. The other day Diana Russini reported they are working on a long term extension for him so some conflicting reports there... Could be the classic case of a team trying to drive up offers by putting out a report that indicates they want to keep him. All I know is we don't have the luxury of being patient and waiting for them to blink. Giving up a 1st round pick is not the worst case scenario. Getting past the trade deadline without adding a legit WR is the worst case scenario.

[LEBills]

20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

His release on that 2nd TD was amazing. Rattler threw the ball late but he was so open it didn't matter.

 

Make them an offer they can't refuse. A 1st and Coleman. Just get it done.

Coleman? I thought you said make them an offer they can’t refuse 🙃

[HappyDays]

Just now, LEBills said:

Coleman? I thought you said make them an offer they can’t refuse 🙃

 

Haha fair... I'd like to think the 1st alone would get it done. WRs in his tier are usually getting traded for 2nds. If they want a young WR back in exchange I wouldn't hesitate to include Coleman too.

[LEBills]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Haha fair... I'd like to think the 1st alone would get it done. WRs in his tier are usually getting traded for 2nds. If they want a young WR back in exchange I wouldn't hesitate to include Coleman too.

Yea I think they would take a 1. They need ammo to get their QB. Would be worth it

[Stretch]

Olave is not lowering his price today.  But a Saints loss hopefully makes them more willing to deal.

[VW82]

People really think Saints are trading Olave for a 1st?  That guy is about to get paid.  If they can't get a deal done (cause he's worth A LOT), the price will be two 1sts or 1st and 2nd and..., and then give Olave 30M+ AAV contract. 

 

Meanwhile, we are projected to have under 8M in cap space next year, and we just gave out a bunch of extensions. 

[Warriorspikes51]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Rickey Scoops, who despite the goofy name is a legit insider on Twitter, reported last week that the Saints are open to trading Olave. The other day Diana Russini reported they are working on a long term extension for him so some conflicting reports there... Could be the classic case of a team trying to drive up offers by putting out a report that indicates they want to keep him. All I know is we don't have the luxury of being patient and waiting for them to blink. Giving up a 1st round pick is not the worst case scenario. Getting past the trade deadline without adding a legit WR is the worst case scenario.

Hmm okay thanks. Offer a 2nd + 4th and go from there

 

Miami meltdown today could make them willing to listen on Waddle also

Edited 7 hours ago by Warriorspikes51

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, VW82 said:

People really think Saints are trading Olave for a 1st?  That guy is about to get paid.  If they can't get a deal done (cause he's worth A LOT), the price will be two 1sts or 1st and 2nd

 

Metcalf went for a 2nd in the same scenario. Hopkins went for a 2nd in his prime. AJ Brown went for a 1st, Diggs went for a 1st... It isn't going to take some blockbuster trade value. Olave is closer to the 20th best WR than he is to the 1st. That still makes him easily the best weapon on our team by a country mile. But this isn't like trading for Micah Parsons. A 1st should be enough if the Saints are open to trading him.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Metcalf went for a 2nd in the same scenario. Hopkins went for a 2nd in his prime. AJ Brown went for a 1st, Diggs went for a 1st... It isn't going to take some blockbuster trade value. Olave is closer to the 20th best WR than he is to the 1st. That still makes him easily the best weapon on our team by a country mile. But this isn't like trading for Micah Parsons. A 1st should be enough if the Saints are open to trading him.

Beane needs to swallow his pride from the WGR WR outburst + realize his track record with our premium picks is not very good.

 

Obviously you’d hope to get Olave for less than a 1st, but I’d absolutely do the deal and pray he doesn get another concussion this season.

 

Even if we do manage to acquire him….then it’s still actually implementing his use in the offense. Compared to other teams, I feel we are rather poor in that area

[starrymessenger]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Metcalf went for a 2nd in the same scenario. Hopkins went for a 2nd in his prime. AJ Brown went for a 1st, Diggs went for a 1st... It isn't going to take some blockbuster trade value. Olave is closer to the 20th best WR than he is to the 1st. That still makes him easily the best weapon on our team by a country mile. But this isn't like trading for Micah Parsons. A 1st should be enough if the Saints are open to trading him.

No way a first. If they move him it will be for a second and change imo.

[NoSaint]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Rickey Scoops, who despite the goofy name is a legit insider on Twitter, reported last week that the Saints are open to trading Olave. The other day Diana Russini reported they are working on a long term extension for him so some conflicting reports there... Could be the classic case of a team trying to drive up offers by putting out a report that indicates they want to keep him. All I know is we don't have the luxury of being patient and waiting for them to blink. Giving up a 1st round pick is not the worst case scenario. Getting past the trade deadline without adding a legit WR is the worst case scenario.

Ironically almost all the saints fans I know that are grounded in reality think a first is a pipe dream and a two would be them robbing the bank still

 

to pass on DK for a 2, or Pickens for a 3 to get place for a 1 would be criminal 

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Metcalf went for a 2nd in the same scenario. Hopkins went for a 2nd in his prime. AJ Brown went for a 1st, Diggs went for a 1st... It isn't going to take some blockbuster trade value. Olave is closer to the 20th best WR than he is to the 1st. That still makes him easily the best weapon on our team by a country mile. But this isn't like trading for Micah Parsons. A 1st should be enough if the Saints are open to trading him.

if we offer a first they would sprint to process the paperwork 

[VW82]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Metcalf went for a 2nd in the same scenario. Hopkins went for a 2nd in his prime. AJ Brown went for a 1st, Diggs went for a 1st... It isn't going to take some blockbuster trade value. Olave is closer to the 20th best WR than he is to the 1st. That still makes him easily the best weapon on our team by a country mile. But this isn't like trading for Micah Parsons. A 1st should be enough if the Saints are open to trading him.

 

Diggs went for a 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Olave is only in year 4 still on his rookie deal. He was #11 overall pick. He's worth more in a trade than some of those other guys who were older and already on their second deal. And regardless of whether you think he's only the 20th best receiver, or maybe closer to top 10-15, he's still someone who will deservedly expect to get paid - we can't afford him - and someone the Saints won't want to trade unless they can do much better than a 2nd. Like, why would they?

 

You spend real draft capital on guys you expect keep. I don't understand how we keep him. 

 

 

[starrymessenger]

7 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

Diggs went for a 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Olave is only in year 4 still on his rookie deal. He was #11 overall pick. He's worth more in a trade than some of those other guys who were older and already on their second deal. And regardless of whether you think he's only the 20th best receiver, or maybe closer to top 10-15, he's still someone who will deservedly expect to get paid - we can't afford him - and someone the Saints won't want to trade unless they can do much better than a 2nd. Like, why would they?

 

You spend real draft capital on guys you expect keep. I don't understand how we keep him. 

 

 

Olave is a very good WR. Hard to know for sure whether he's a legit #1 but given the QBs he's had to play with the argument can certainly be made. 
The discount, if there is one, is because of his 5 concussions.

if you can't afford Olave you just can't afford a #1 receiver. 

Edited 7 hours ago by starrymessenger

[VW82]

13 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Olave is a very good WR. Hard to know for sure whether he's a legit #1 but given the QBs he's had to play with the argument can certainly be made. 
The discount, if there is one, is because of his 5 concussions.

if you can't afford Olave you just can't afford a #1 receiver. 

 

This is a fair point. I didn't realize he was up to 5. Last year he had two those were the ones I knew about. But other top receivers (Lamb, Nacua, St. Brown) also had concussions early on and it hasn't seemed to effect their value. If Olave gets through 2025 healthy with no more concussions, you think someone isn't going to pay him?

 

And yes, I'm arguing we can't afford the financial commitment to a true #1 receiver. Not anymore. If I'm wrong on that aspect, I'd love for someone to explain how/why. 

Edited 6 hours ago by VW82

[starrymessenger]

2 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

This is a fair point. I didn't realize he was up to 5. Last year he had two. But other top receivers (Lamb, Nacua, St. Brown) also had concussions early on and it hasn't seemed to effect their value. If Olave gets through 2025 healthy with no more concussions, you think someone isn't going to pay him?

 

And yes, I'm arguing we can't afford the financial commitment to a true #1 receiver. Not anymore. If I'm wrong on that aspect, I'd love for someone to explain how/why. 

His concussion history stretches back to his college days. So it is, and is likely to remain, an issue.
Obviously if they trade for a WR who can help them they would have to create the cap space this year and next. Not an expert but I think they should be able to do that. Actually I suspect they have to do it.

[HappyDays]

46 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Ironically almost all the saints fans I know that are grounded in reality think a first is a pipe dream and a two would be them robbing the bank still

 

to pass on DK for a 2, or Pickens for a 3 to get place for a 1 would be criminal 

if we offer a first they would sprint to process the paperwork 

 

Yeah I still think a 2nd would get it done. I'm just saying if it takes a 1st I wouldn't balk. If we have to overpay that's our own fault for waiting too long to address the problem... I'd still rather overpay to address it than not address it at all.

 

43 minutes ago, VW82 said:

You spend real draft capital on guys you expect keep. I don't understand how we keep him. 

 

I don't worry about 2027. He's under contract this year and next year. After that Josh Allen will be 32 years old and it looks like the Patriots are going to be legit championship contenders by then. The time to push the chips in is now. Olave is not a trade where you have to figure out the extension at the same time.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by HappyDays

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I still think a 2nd would get it done. I'm just saying if it takes a 1st I wouldn't balk. If we have to overpay that's our own fault for waiting too long to address the problem... I'd still rather overpay to address it than not address it at all.

 

 

I don't worry about 2027. He's under contract this year and next year. After that Josh Allen will be 32 years old and it looks like the Patriots are going to be legit championship contenders by then. The time to push the chips in is now. Olave is not a trade where you have to figure out the extension at the same time.

 

Don't trust Brady to integrate a guy like Olave tbh

 

The only can't fail solution is a top tier guy like AJ Brown

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Haha fair... I'd like to think the 1st alone would get it done. WRs in his tier are usually getting traded for 2nds. If they want a young WR back in exchange I wouldn't hesitate to include Coleman too.

It's open season to dump on Coleman but I hope he grows up like Moulds did (late). 

So I am all for a trade for a wr but woukd not include Coleman. 

 

We have all been waiting for a trade during our bye week.  But my optimistic side says that the trade is waiting for the games to be done this weekend.  Olave with his concussion issues shoukd not command a 1stv rounder.  

Shaheen would be decent.  And if Dolphins and Jets don't mind trading in division, i hope Waddle and Wilson are in play now.