Did we already miss the window with Josh

[ProcessTruster]

Could be.  Hard to say until more of the starting roster is actually on the damn field and playing.  

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Josh has another 10 years.  

Not if we can’t pick up a blitz 

[BuffaloBaumer]

The rest of the AFC is only getting better while the bills are regressing. So yes, the window has been ***** and it is very unlikely to open again with this roster and coaching. I have no doubt in my mind that the best version of Josh Allen is behind him.

[harryS]

Did we miss the window?  Of course not.  That's absurd.

 

Josh is 29 years old and has at least 5 prime years left.

 

The Eagles would trade for Josh and his salary in a heartbeat and give their first-born son to do so, and they would proceed to win 3 Super Bowls with him.  Because they have a great GM and a good enough head coach.

 

McBeane needs to go.

[Gregg]

Elway didn't win until he was getting towards the end of his career, but he at least played in three Super Bowls before finally winning two. It's a shame that Allen can't get to even one Super Bowl. Beane and McDermott have failed to get him the help he needs to get to play in one.

[MikePJ76]

More than likely.  I thought the colts missed their window with manning and then they won in 06 somehow.  Elway got a major upgrade in coaching and roster building and won two late.

 

there doesn’t really seem to be anything that indicates this team can win a championship at the moment.  

[Mikie2times]

Yesterday felt like the first game in a long time where Superman seemed a little more human. I don't blame him for that, when you're asked to literally do everything, that is a situation that can only be sustainable for so long. 

 

The main theory around here is we have 5/6/7/8 more years with Josh. While Josh could "reinvent" himself into more of a traditional pocket QB, that just isn't the player he has ever been for this team. So it's hard to just assume Allen will successfully transition into that player. Allen is probably more dependent on his physical skills than any QB in the NFL. You know Josh is going to put in the work to be the best version of himself. But one thing is for sure, he absolutely can't become a more age neutral QB if he's being asked to be the entire offense.

 

Now is not the time to leverage the last couple years of peak physical skills Allen has. The front office has to position him to be more of a traditional QB. This goes beyond the standard pleas to add offensive talent we have had for a few years now. It's more about building a roster and system Allen can age in gracefully and elongate his career with where he isn't being asked to create 40% of the offense with his physical abilities. What we are asking him to do right and what we have asked him to do for years is going to shorten his career. This crap needs to come to an end. Get the man some tools to be successful for gods sake. This feels like drought era QB malpractice right now.  

[uticaclub]

I think he's got 3 years max the way he had played

[The Jokeman]

If the last two games are peak Allen you're not seeing what I'm seeing.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

If the last two games are peak Allen you're not seeing what I'm seeing.

It is a lot more peak than the version of Allen we will see 2-3 years from now if he isn't surrounded with more playmakers. 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

It is a lot more peak than the version of Allen we will see 2-3 years from now if he isn't surrounded with more playmakers. 

And you can predict the future and know our roster in 2-3 seasons?

[dorquemada]

We're not going to get peak allen under Brady's scheme and McD's gameday coaching.  The entire pLaY cOmPlEmEnTaRy fOoTbAlL philosophy increasingly feels like an excuse rather than a plan.  At any rate, we got complimentary football last night, and Allen was basically a bystander.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 has been the number in my head

[T.E.]

We're I think we're about 18 months away, tops, from hearing some rumblings about him wanting a trade unless some big changes are made. He understands that his career is already half-over.

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And you can predict the future and know our roster in 2-3 seasons?

What do you think this looks like when he's 31 or 32 and has Palmer and Coleman or other FA castoffs as primary weapons? He's running around 2-3 years older flipping balls around like he's in his mid 20's. The madness needs to come to end, not because we need to be a better team as the focus has been for some time now, but because we need to preserve #17. The risk level of not providing those weapons is shifting each year and becoming more and more obvious. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Mikie2times

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

What do you think this looks like in when he's 31 or 32 and has Palmer and Coleman or other FA castoffs as primary weapons? He's running around 2-3 years older flipping balls around like he's in his mid 20's. The madness needs to come to end, not because we need to be a better team as the focus has been for some time now, but because we need to preserve #17. The risk level of not providing those weapons is shifting each year and becoming more and more obvious. 

Whose to say we won't draft another Shakir? Or Kincaid will build on his momentum we've seen? Truth be told I'm not tossing this season aside either. 

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

And you can predict the future and know our roster in 2-3 seasons?

 

I can't give you names but we know what it'll look like.  

 

Offense:

• Decent OL
• 1 good RB, a couple JAGs
• scrap heap WRs.  Everyone eats!
• 2 decent tight ends

Defense

• a bunch of 1st and 2nd round DL that are slightly below middle of the pack in terms of outcomes
• undersized but athletic LBs
• CBs that play 10 yards off the WR, safeties safely away from plays

[RyanC883]

6 minutes ago, T.E. said:

We're I think we're about 18 months away, tops, from hearing some rumblings about him wanting a trade unless some big changes are made. He understands that his career is already half-over.

 

I hope you are correct.  Nothing will happen w/r/t the front office it seems unless he demands it.  But I don't see him doing that.  McFranklin will continue to rule at OBD.  

[Mikie2times]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

Whose to say we won't draft another Shakir? Or Kincaid will build on his momentum we've seen? Truth be told I'm not tossing this season aside either. 

I'm not tossing the season aside I'm shifting the conversation to what this really needs to be about. If you think landing a 30th-40th ranked WR and a 10th ranked TE in the future is the answer, I imagine you and Beane would get along well. 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, dorquemada said:

 

I can't give you names but we know what it'll look like.  

 

Offense:

• Decent OL
• 1 good RB, a couple JAGs
• scrap heap WRs.  Everyone eats!
• 2 decent tight ends

Defense

• a bunch of 1st and 2nd round DL that are slightly below middle of the pack in terms of outcomes
• undersized but athletic LBs
• CBs that play 10 yards off the WR, safeties safely away from plays

And all of that has gotten us to be the 2nd best record in the NFL for how many seasons? Some fans are acting like this franchise has been the Jets the last few seasons. Truth be told were not horrible. Also I'm tired of it's "only cuz of Josh". He has been excellent no doubt but no man is an Island in the NFL.