Brandon Beane - failing Josh Allen

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

I wonder how long it will take Beane to make a move to improve our defense or receiver corps. If he stands pat you would think he has Terry under the heavy anesthesia. With the new stadium coming Beane may feel he’s safe to stand pat figuring Josh will find a way to the playoffs. 

I have the opposite thought...if he stands pat, I see that as a potential sign they replace Beane in 26--- and dont want to handicap the new GM.

[Billsflyer12]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Damn jumping to conclusions are we? So Allen is a "huge weakness" because he's afraid of of a "giant personality and head case" at WR?

 

Allen strikes me as the kind of person who was taught to make lemonade from lemons.  That's why he's all in on "everyone eats".  

 

The idea that Allen would not be thrilled to have Chase & Higgens as his top 2 WR's is insane on it face.

 

 

 

 

If Josh wanted Diggs in Buffalo, he would not have been traded.

 

I don’t think Josh wants big diva type personalities either, he wants his boys or those who could be his boys.

[KOKBILLS]

8 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

What "reports" are you talking about? 

 

Josh himself has laughed off those reports and explained them more than once in interviews. He said he's interested and involved, but more like a fan is. So it's more like... They come to him with the guys they have scouted and really like with their plan and he watches them, or remembers seeing them in College, and gives his input. But since when has anybody every heard Josh say anything negative about anybody except maybe Christian Wilkins? If Beane was truly drafting players because Josh wanted them...then I would absolutely want him fired today... I just don't think that's the case because I've heard Josh explain his role in those picks... 

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

I have the opposite thought...if he stands pat, I see that as a potential sign they replace Beane in 26--- and dont want to handicap the new GM.

 

If this happened, then McDermott's job security goes bye-bye. New GM will probably want to bring in his own HC at some point especially if the team struggles.

[Coach Tuesday]

 

41 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

I know you can't control injuries... But these last 2 Drafts have been underwhelming so far. We all have to consider the Bills purged all those vet contracts and loaded up on Draft picks specifically to boost the depth on this roster through the 2024 and 2025 Drafts. 

Here's what we are getting on the field right now from the past 2 Drafts...19 picks total...

 

1. Deone Walker - DT - 4th Rd 2025 - Pretty clearly the best player from either Draft so far with the biggest upside

2. Cole Bishop - S - 2nd Rd 2024 - Starting S but pretty clearly up and down at this point.

3. Max Hairston - CB - 1st Rd 2025 - He's this high because he's a 1st Round Pick and injury or not he is the Bills plan A right now to improve at CB. Just depends on when he'll be able to play. 

4. Keon Coleman - WR - 2nd Rd 2024 - Starting WR but no where near the player they Drafted him to be at this point.

5. Jackson Hawes - TE - 5th Rd 2025 - 3rd TE but a strong start for a Rookie. Has contributed more in the passing game already than most thought he would. Should only get better.

6. Ray Davis - RB - 4th Rd 2024 - 3rd RB who has shown some real good flashes but has also been inconsistent at times.

7. TJ Sanders - DT - 2nd Rd 2025 - Played a lot the 1st 4 games before getting hurt. Showed some flashes but was nothing special. Typical rookie stuff though. It can be argued he would have looked a lot better by the end of the year if he did not get hurt...But he did...

8. Dorian Strong - CB - 6th Rd 2025 - Started week 1 and was probably the least of the Bills problems on Defense outside of Ed Oliver. Was starting to get more reps and I think the plan was going to see him replace Tre as the starter soon. But like Sanders he got hurt and his injury seems to be more serious. This was a huge depth loss.

9. Tylan Grable - OT - 6th Rd 2024 - He won the swing OT role in 2024 and really looked good. Had concussion issues in camp and it seems like, due to numbers and the fact that the Bills already have quality depth at OT and IOL the Bills have decided to just keep him on ice till they need him. If the concussion issues are not really serious Grable is a very nice piece moving forward.

10. Sedrick Van Pran-Granger - C - 5th Rd 2024 - By all reports he was taking the #2 C snaps in mini camp. Then he got hurt, missed the entire training camp, and now has been passed by Anderson again for the primary backup role at C. Still... I think he's the odds on favorite to be the starting C if McGovern leaves in Free Agency next year.

11. Landon Jackson - DE - 3rd Rd 2025 - Has been active the last two games but has nothing really to show for it. Coming along much slower than most, including myself, expected. Still he has real good upside. May not be much of anything till 2026 and beyond though.

12. Javon Solomon - DE - 5th Rd 2024 - Last DE in the rotation and ST's player. 
13. Jordan Hancock - S - 5th Rd 2025 - Got injured late in Camp when he seemed to really be coming on. At this point though, with how terrible our Safety play has been, you have to wonder how he has not managed to get on the field.

14. Chase Lundt - OT - If it were not for the injuries he would likely be on the PS right now. 

 

Dewayne Carter is on IR and out for the year. But if he showed anything in 2024 no way the Bills sign Ogunjobi and Draft 2 DT's...International sensation OT Travis Cayton is on the PS for the 2nd consecutive year... Edefuan Ulofoshio, Daequan Hardy, Kaden Prather all cut and gone..

Walker is not technically a starter yet... But he's playing well enough that he can be categorized as a solid starter I think... But that's it... Bishop and Keon are not there yet...The rest are role players, back-ups, or injured...

I think numbers wise, as far as who is still around it's actually not bad... But impact wise it's brutal. Injuries have effected or stunted the progress of 8 different Draft picks over the past two years...

But we also have to look at the picks themselves. As a Draft junkie...I have issues...lol...Coleman over McConkey would be the most obvious... Look...we can get into slot over X and all that stuff... I think on this board we all know McConkey played outside on 70% of his downs in his last year in GA, and he's played outside on about 40% of his downs in the NFL... But the thing is... The Bills went against their normal philosophy here and it cost them dearly. They have always preferred separators for Josh since we went out and got Brown and Beasley. McConkey should have been the pick there... In the late 3rd the Bills took an average sized DT with a 4th Rd Grade (#118 overall on the consensus board) in DeWayne Carter. The problem there for me was that WR Troy Franklin was still available. And especially considering that they took Coleman, it seemed to me doubling up with Franklin was even more necessary at that point. Now, I'm not trying to say Franklin was an elite prospect... But the Bills want to have this everybody eats philosophy and that means you have to have players who specialize somewhat. And Franklin can stretch the field. He was a high quality College #1 WR... And right now Franklin would be the Bills #2 WR in receptions and yards. He's starting this year in Denver. 24 Receptions for 250 yards and a TD... The Bills could have had Franklin with a 3rd Rd pick...#95 overall... That's a bargain...

It's WAY too early to tell about the 2025 class... And I had Max right at #30 overall on my board...So it was a decent value pick... The thing is there was one guy...one guy that I had rated #11 overall and he was still available... And I definitely felt he was a legit difference-maker-type prospect. That prospect was LB Jihaad Campbell from Alabama. The guy just stood out... His RAS was incomplete... But a 9.88 incomplete...And he had game breaking skills as a pass rusher at LB that were still just developing. I realize some teams had concerns with the shoulders and the knees, but Howie Roseman said none of those were long term concerns... He had surgery for the torn labrum in his left shoulder and has been fine so far this year. He's played and started every game. 40 TT's, 20 solo, a FF, an INT, and 2 PD's...And I know the Bills wanted a CB... Fine... I get that... But the thing that drives me nuts is this... The constant...we took the player that was highest rated on our board stuff... Like... OK... If I take you at face value on that Mr Beane then...you need new scouts... Because if y'all had Max higher than Campbell on your big board you should not be doing what you are doing in the NFL... If you had DeWayne Carter higher than Troy Franklin... You're nuts!

Anyway... I can go on and on... 

 

 

 

It is pretty clear at this point that Beane heads into the draft like I head into the supermarket - with a specific wish list.  He goes hunting for specific positions with specific traits to plug specific holes on the roster, and will talk himself into questionable prospects who "almost fit" what he's looking for.  As opposed to just amassing talent regardless of need or immediate fit.  "We need a run stuffing DT, Dewayne Carter is close enough and hey we'll coach him up."  "We need a boundary corner, McDuffie is off the board, Elam works."  "We need a contested catch specialist, Keon played basketball, we'll coach him up."  Etc.  It's the root of his drafting issues and the irony of it is, at the end of the day he doesn't end up improving the roster enough using the draft.  

Edited 16 hours ago by Coach Tuesday

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Do you not know he was the primary reason they wanted Kincaid and Coleman?

No I don't.  Do you?  You will have to excuse me for my ignorance as I'm not on first hand terms with Allen, Bean or McD to know this.  Nor was I in the room when they were discussing these two players.  Were you?

 

Now I could believe that as the picks got close, Bean might have asked Allen what he thought abut a potentially elite pass catching TE like Kincaid or a physical 50/50 

WR like Coleman.  And at that point with a LIMITED set of choices Allen may have favored them over other options.  

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No I don't.  Do you?  You will have to excuse me for my ignorance as I'm not on first hand terms with Allen, Bean or McD to know this.  Nor was I in the room when they were discussing these two players.  Were you?

 

Now I could believe that as the picks got close, Bean might have asked Allen what he thought abut a potentially elite pass catching TE like Kincaid or a physical 50/50 

WR like Coleman.  And at that point with a LIMITED set of choices Allen may have favored them over other options.  

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-allen-pumped-bills-took-keon-coleman-qb-texted-wr-before-draft-youre-the-guy-that-i-want/

[MasterStrategist]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

If this happened, then McDermott's job security goes bye-bye. New GM will probably want to bring in his own HC at some point especially if the team struggles.

And thats fair.  Just depends how they conduct a GM search and any shift of "power" that McD currently has.

 

I'd be pro-McD staying, if I knew his input on draft/FA acquisitions was limited to "positional focus" only.  Which nobody knows what the current balance is - pure speculation.

 

I have no problem with the positional focus - I do have issues with poor roster mgt, cap mgt, and player evaluations.

 

Simply said, if we take the 2023 and 2024 drafts -  and replace Kincaid and Keon with players at same position who have had much better NFL results to date (or a pure WR instead of Kincaid) --- we are likely not having this conversation.  Same can be said about Safety, DT, DEs, and FA Wrs.

 

Its wrong guys being brought in - too many mistakes with early picks starts to add up to a HUGE problem when paying a QB like Josh.  Need to be hitting on draft WAY better.

[KOKBILLS]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

It is pretty clear at this point that Beane heads into the draft like I head into the supermarket - with a specific wish list.  He goes hunting for specific positions with specific traits to plug specific holes on the roster, and will talk himself into questionable prospects who "almost fit" what he's looking for.  As opposed to just amassing talent regardless of need or immediate fit.  It's the root of his drafting issues and the irony of it is, at the end of the day he doesn't end up improving the roster enough using the draft.  

 

Yep... And the areas he perceives as strengths turn into major needs with just one injury to a vet player... Or someone ages out a year or two earlier than he expects... And he passed on a higher graded prospect because he HAD to have that need he was laser focused on...

[CincyBillsFan]

13 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

If Josh wanted Diggs in Buffalo, he would not have been traded.

 

I don’t think Josh wants big diva type personalities either, he wants his boys or those who could be his boys.

Allen and Diggs had an issue between them. To extend that problem, whatever it was, to how Allen would view any other elite WR is not believable to me.

 

 

[finn]

33 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

What "reports" are you talking about? 

The vaguest kind of all: rumors reported here second hand, hence the "if." 

[TheFunPolice]

There are some diva WR, but the vast majority of star WR just show up and ball. 

 

 

 

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

And thats fair.  Just depends how they conduct a GM search and any shift of "power" that McD currently has.

 

I'd be pro-McD staying, if I knew his input on draft/FA acquisitions was limited to "positional focus" only.  Which nobody knows what the current balance is - pure speculation.

 

I have no problem with the positional focus - I do have issues with poor roster mgt, cap mgt, and player evaluations.

 

Simply said, if we take the 2023 and 2024 drafts -  and replace Kincaid and Keon with players at same position who have had much better NFL results to date (or a pure WR instead of Kincaid) --- we are likely not having this conversation.  Same can be said about Safety, DT, DEs, and FA Wrs.

 

Its wrong guys being brought in - too many mistakes with early picks starts to add up to a HUGE problem when paying a QB like Josh.  Need to be hitting on draft WAY better.

 

I can't imagine someone would come here to be McDermott's puppet. The new GM especially an experienced one and not some 1st time GM is going to want to build the team his way. If that doesn't happen then they probably don't take the job.

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen and Diggs had an issue between them. To extend that problem, whatever it was, to how Allen would view any other elite WR is not believable to me.

 

 

100% - Josh wants to win just as bad as anyone in this organization/ fanbase.

 

He isnt making selfish or illogical decisions.  

 

Having so much success on offense LY, was a MAJOR outlier.  We replay that season 100x and we'd find a far less successful outcome --- why??:

 

1. Turnovers: we were near perfect , little to no skill player fumbles recovered by opposing team + Josh was seeing the field near perfectly

 

2. OL play: we were darn near elite LY.  This year has been inconsistent, and not near as good

 

3. Defense: as bad as they were against the pass and getting off the field on 3rd down, they created ALOT more turnovers and great field position for the offense.  That Atl fumble, LY no offside, this yr those types of errors are occurring.

 

Talent level was just as bad LY, same with injuries (remember year of the wrist).  We just shouldn't expect Josh to play like superman every week and we did get a lot of bounces our way.

 

What happens when Josh has poor games or we dont win the turnover battle?  We tend to lose and thats what weve seen past 2 weeks.  

 

Bound to happen and many here said our level of offensive performance was NOT sustainable 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-allen-pumped-bills-took-keon-coleman-qb-texted-wr-before-draft-youre-the-guy-that-i-want/

Wait, so on Friday, on the day Coleman was drafted when the Bills had the first choice that night and Bean had decided to pick Coleman Allen sent him a text?

 

The 20-year-old said he received a text from Allen on Friday, before he was drafted that said (via the team's official website), "You're the guy that I want. I watched a lot of receivers and I want to play with you."  Clearly the two-time Pro Bowler gives his stamp of approval on the pick.

 

This looks like Allen trying to make Coleman comfortable about being picked by the Bills.

 

Or maybe this is what you're referring to:

 

Allen was involved in the team's selections, Bills general manager Brandon Beane revealed, saying his quarterback is "crazy about the draft process" and "loves it." "If I get a call from Josh in the offseason, it's usually him seeing somebody on a highlight, running into somebody, throwing with somebody -- just something to ask me what I think about this guy," Beane said. "He called me at the Senior Bowl [to ask] what do I think about a couple of guys there. So he loves it."

 

Beane said he was curious about what Allen saw in certain prospects, asking him to watch film with coaches and talk about how he would utilize certain players in a game scenario. The GM said he wanted to hear what Allen saw in these players and it was Coleman who stuck out as one of the players the 27-year-old admired.

 

Seriously?  This is the level of involvement any top veteran QB is going to have with their teams draft.  And this places into perspective Allen's role in all this:

 

When Beane revealed that the team was likely going to take Coleman, Allen was "pretty pumped."

 

So Allen didn't even know Coleman was going to be picked until Bean told him.  Which is exactly how it should be.

 

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

I can't imagine someone would come here to be McDermott's puppet. The new GM especially an experienced one and not some 1st time GM is going to want to build the team his way. If that doesn't happen then they probably don't take the job.

100% agree.  I think there's a debate internally here, how much McD influences roster decisions -- especially defensive player acquisitions (FA and draft).  

 

I'd say you always have coaches input on what they consider a "need" heading into next yr. 

 

If somehow McD is getting any more input than that, then its a problem now and future.  Then im all for firing both

[BillsFan130]

55 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No I don't.  Do you?  You will have to excuse me for my ignorance as I'm not on first hand terms with Allen, Bean or McD to know this.  Nor was I in the room when they were discussing these two players.  Were you?

 

Now I could believe that as the picks got close, Bean might have asked Allen what he thought abut a potentially elite pass catching TE like Kincaid or a physical 50/50 

WR like Coleman.  And at that point with a LIMITED set of choices Allen may have favored them over other options.  

You don't need to be on first hand terms with Josh, Beane or McDermott to know this my guy.

 

Plenty of reports and articles that back this up 

 

 https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-gm-brandon-beane-josh-allen-pretty-pumped-we-drafted-wr-keon-coleman

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2024/04/19/josh-allen-draft-day-text-brandon-beane-buffalo-bills-dalton-kincaid/73383438007/

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFan130

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Yes I do know and I assumed you did as well. There's been many articles and reports how Josh wanted those guys and was involved in the process

 

 https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-gm-brandon-beane-josh-allen-pretty-pumped-we-drafted-wr-keon-coleman

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2024/04/19/josh-allen-draft-day-text-brandon-beane-buffalo-bills-dalton-kincaid/73383438007/

Fluff pieces or after the fact cheer leading by Allen.  Nothing in any of these articles convinces me that Allen was instrumental in picking these guys out of a list of dozens of candidates.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Fluff pieces or after the fact cheer leading by Allen.  Nothing in any of these articles convinces me that Allen was instrumental in picking these guys out of a list of dozens of candidates.

These are direct quotes by Brandon Beane... lol. There's nothing fluff about it.

 

Believe whatever you want though, all good

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

These are direct quotes by Brandon Beane... lol. There's nothing fluff about it.

 

Believe whatever you want though, all good

There is nothing in Beanes quotes indicating that Allen has much influence on who they pick or sign as FA's.  If anything the tone of Beane's comments are more along the lines that Allen is a bit of a pain in sending him opinions on potential players.  This is not the same thing as Allen playing a significant role in who they draft.