The final play to Shakir. Samuel was wide open for easy TD

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

the first play was a screen to shakir that he dropped.  hit him right in the hands.

 

how is that a hero ball play?

 

Then it was the last two. Both times he fled the pocket early, rolled right, STILL held onto it, double juked a DL, got himself painted into a corner, and then chucked it to no one. I know on 2nd down, Cook was free out of the backfield for at least 5 yards.

Trying to do too much and score instead of getting 1st downs.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah you're just wrong about this. Allen threw that exact INT a bunch of times when Dorsey was the OC. You're vastly underestimating how quickly an NFL CB can get depth, especially Christian Gonzalez. He's the high/low conflict defender, the problem is the low option doesn't show up until a few seconds after the ball is snapped so he is able to declare himself high and Allen has to move on. Bad play design that Allen miraculously solves on his own, as usual, except the referee didn't throw the obvious flag.

 

Respectfully disagree.  If Allen puts that ball to the outside and in front of Samuel then Gonazalez would have to go through Samuel to get to the ball.  There was for sure a window for Allen to hit Samuel, and with Allens arm strength he might have hit Samuel with out him ever getting touched.  

 

Shakir still was interfered with, maybe the most egregious PI of the night, so terrible non call by Refs that should have seen the drive continue.  So I don't think there was anything wrong with throwing to Shakir - but there was a clear missed opportunity, and easier opportunity to Samuel from the pocket that gets us close to a TD or a TD.  I would bet good money Josh wants that one back.  

 

[MikePJ76]

26 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

There was some miscommunication. Allen "alerted" the play and made some type of change

I think miscommunication. The play was alerted and changed

I just watched Josh in the post game and he said "Bad Snap Exchange" when asked about the play with knox.

Allen was clearly ticked off in the postgame pc.  

 

On the last play of the game after we didn't get the PI, you could see one of the pats lineman was taunting josh and he said shut up you effing B.  

 

Cant wait till we play them again.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

He turned the ball over twice. Both were his fault completely. He was bailing from clean pockets. He was missing open receivers. He decides to scramble too much and was tackled after a short gain or sacked because of it. This was a bad game by Allen.

How do you know that the fumble was on Allen?  The stats assign it to him but unless your name is Brady you have no idea who fumbled that ball.

 

That any one watching last nights game would claim that Allen played poorly is astonishing to me.  It would be no different then claiming Allen played great.  He played a good game - nothing more, nothing less.  The loss was not because of bad QB play.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

Cant wait till we play them again.

 

I wont be looking forward to any game that has McD coaching against Vrabel.

[Dillenger4]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Then it was the last two. Both times he fled the pocket early, rolled right, STILL held onto it, double juked a DL, got himself painted into a corner, and then chucked it to no one. I know on 2nd down, Cook was free out of the backfield for at least 5 yards.

Trying to do too much and score instead of getting 1st downs.

That's how I see it too. many times last night we had guys open - if not wide open, and Josh missed them. Didn't pull the trigger. Their D played very good and Josh played exactly like he does vs a good Defense. Which is mediocre hero ball. Just wait till we play KC, Philly and NE again.

[SCBills]

Brutal from Allen here…

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Dillenger4 said:

That's how I see it too. many times last night we had guys open - if not wide open, and Josh missed them. Didn't pull the trigger. Their D played very good and Josh played exactly like he does vs a good Defense. Which is mediocre hero ball. Just wait till we play KC, Philly and NE again.

 

2nd game in a row against a Diggs team where Josh tried to do way too much all night and it bit him. Like he's trying to prove to his ex-gf how happy he is now.

 

Frustrating that neither Brady nor McD can get to him and calm him down.

[MikePJ76]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I wont be looking forward to any game that has McD coaching against Vrabel.

I will.  Hopefully we have some more healthy guys on Defense next time and play a clean game with no penalties.  

 

Allen will remember those guys trash talking him after that last drive, that is how he has always been.  He looked super pissed in the postgame pc.  

[Dillenger4]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I just watched Josh in the post game and he said "Bad Snap Exchange" when asked about the play with knox.

Allen was clearly ticked off in the postgame pc.  

 

On the last play of the game after we didn't get the PI, you could see one of the pats lineman was taunting josh and he said shut up you effing B.  

 

Cant wait till we play them again.

Yep - JA being the baby when things get tough. Typical.

I love him as our QB... but man, he sure can act like a sore loser and teams know it. We aren't who we think we are. there are some good D's in the AFC:

 

Denver.

Kc.

Indy.

Steelers.

Pats.

 

Gonna be tough man. get used to it....

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Brutal from Allen here…

 

 

This is really odd of him to do. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Brutal from Allen here…

 

 

 

Yep, exactly what I was talking about here. VVVVVV

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Then it was the last two. Both times he fled the pocket early, rolled right, STILL held onto it, double juked a DL, got himself painted into a corner, and then chucked it to no one. I know on 2nd down, Cook was free out of the backfield for at least 5 yards.

Trying to do too much and score instead of getting 1st downs.

 

Just needed a 1st down. And it was 2nd down, so really just needed like 5-6 yards.

[MikePJ76]

Just now, Dillenger4 said:

Yep - JA being the baby when things get tough. Typical.

I love him as our QB... but man, he sure can act like a sore loser and teams know it. We aren't who we think we are. there are some good D's in the AFC:

 

Denver.

Kc.

Indy.

Steelers.

Pats.

 

Gonna be tough man. get used to it....

a baby?  He was hit in the face on the last play and the guy who did it got up and was talking trash to him.  He simply responded.

 

a baby.  Give me a break.

[CincyBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

 

I promise you if either of us could call Josh and ask him hm off the record he would tell you he could have played better and it was an off game for him

 

Off the record?  You might be surprised at what Allen says in that scenario. 

 

BTW, Allen will always say he should play better but the real issue was whether or not Allen played good enough to win the game.  And IMO he did.  Other, far more serious issues, cost the Bills the game last night.  Nitpicking Allen over this play or that is a fools errand.  The problems limiting the Bills have nothing to do with Allen.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Roundybout said:

This is really odd of him to do. 

 

A bit odd, but not for when he is in hero-ball mode.

[TBBills Fan]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I just watched Josh in the post game and he said "Bad Snap Exchange" when asked about the play with knox.

Allen was clearly ticked off in the postgame pc.  

 

On the last play of the game after we didn't get the PI, you could see one of the pats lineman was taunting josh and he said shut up you effing B.  

 

Cant wait till we play them again.

 

Yes he was.   It's going to be like Mr T I pity the fool that pisses Josh off and has to play him again

[GoBills808]

lol

 

you need to look at when he gets to the top of his drop 

[Dillenger4]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

a baby?  He was hit in the face on the last play and the guy who did it got up and was talking trash to him.  He simply responded.

 

a baby.  Give me a break.

You're the one stating that "he looked pissed in the post game presser". he is always like that. VERY baby reactions when we lose. It's just who he is. He is a sore loser. Thankfully we don't lose much unless we play a real football team with proper coaching.

[Buffalo4Life01]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

List the exact plays this happened. I want to see the exact plays you are speaking of. It’s easy to throw out blanket statements like this, but let’s break down these plays where she 

 

 

Always so easy to say with hindsight.

 

Do you know how QB’s make decisions on read options? 

 

Hint; It’s not by seeing the future and knowing which option will work better.

 

They are looking at the DE to see which way he crashes. Go towards the RB = QB keeps it. If he goes toward the QB = He gives to the RB.

 

Thats how it is taught.

 

On this play, the New England DE did an incredibly good job of staying neutral. He didn’t crash either way. Look at this image of when Allen is deciding:

 

 

Because the DE stays neutral, Allen has a choice.

 

1) Hand it off and hope Ty beats him to the edge.

 

2) Trust the best player in the NFL (himself) to get the yardage.

 

He trusted himself, which he should.

 

He didn’t have a window into the future telling him which option would work better. He did what he was taught - read the DE. And on this play, the DE played it perfectly.

 

I don't have access to the ALL-22 film and I'm not going to go back and re-watch the entire game again just to give you examples.  I know what I saw from watching with my own eyes.  Collinsworth mentioned on 3 or 4 occasions that Allen seemed to be bailing from clean pockets, and Joe Marino who does have access to all-22 made mention of it several times on his podcast this morning.  It's okay to admit Allen didn't play up to his standards.  I would expect him to say the same thing if asked. 

[oldmanfan]

25 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Oh look the troll is back. Shocker after a loss.

 

Allen was 71% for over 300 yards and 2 TD’s.

 

He played damn well. One poor pass does not negate that.

I am here all the time.  All the time.  I usually avoid your stuff because your claims are always off, but this one was overly egregious.  No one other than Kincaid played well last night, Josh included.  Numbers don’t always tell the complete story.