Draconator Posted September 26 Posted September 26 Murray never took his eyes off of McBride on that pass that was almost intercepted. 1 Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 26 Posted September 26 3 minutes ago, Draconator said: What I'm seeing from watching Prime Vision is Murray panics way too quickly or only takes his first read. Darnold is much more steady in the pocket and goes through his progressions decisively. also eye opening how Marvin Harrison isn’t very good. 1 1 1 Quote
Best Williams Available Posted September 26 Posted September 26 The cardinals have no run game nor deep passing game. Murray just throws immediately post snap to an area whether a guy is there or not. 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted September 26 Posted September 26 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: also eye opening how Marvin Harrison isn’t very good. Something’s wrong in that organization. Not saying MH2 is good but half of the times he’s thrown the ball it’s like he’s not expecting it at all. Very weird. On the other side of things, the guy throwing him the football doesn’t look very good either. 2 1 Quote
thenorthremembers Posted September 26 Posted September 26 Just now, Best Williams Available said: The cardinals have no run game nor deep passing game. Murray just throws immediately post snap to an area whether a guy is there or not. The coach stinks. Hard to have a run game when you run it 4 times in a half. 2 Quote
Low Positive Posted September 26 Posted September 26 Why bother calling the TO if you're just gonna throw a screen that has no chance of going anywhere? 1 1 Quote
Einstein Posted September 26 Posted September 26 Just now, bills6969 said: Wow the cardinals are ***** they called him out just to throw a 2 yard screen. Throw it downfield! You may get a PI! Quote
bigfootindy Posted September 26 Posted September 26 What the heck was that end of half sequence? 1 Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 26 Posted September 26 1 minute ago, Sojourner said: Something’s wrong in that organization. Not saying MH2 is good but half of the times he’s thrown the ball it’s like he’s not expecting it at all. Very weird. On the other side of things, the guy throwing him the football doesn’t look very good either. Agree. I don’t get what is going on there. Watching this prime vision though, I don’t love the routes Harrison runs. 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted September 26 Posted September 26 3 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said: The cardinals have no run game nor deep passing game. Murray just throws immediately post snap to an area whether a guy is there or not. He cannot see downfield. Asking a 5'10'' guy to play NFL QB is like asking a 6' guy to play forward in the NBA. Even Drew Brees was taller. 1 Quote
Best Williams Available Posted September 26 Posted September 26 What the Cardinals are doing on offense is what a kid on Red Bull playing a video game would be doing after realizing his QB can’t throw deep. 2 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted September 26 Posted September 26 (edited) 17 minutes ago, buffblue said: Not going to continue this because I will not derail the thread but Harrison had questionable speed and agility in college. Nonetheless he was able to overwhelm most opponents because of his sheer physicality. Just because someone was highly productive at the college level does not make them an "incredibly clean" prospect. Again, I’m going to continue because we can’t have misinformation on here. You can’t just make more stuff up and call it fact. At the beginning of the 2023 season, MHJ was clocked at 22.22 MPH on a TD vs. YSU. That was faster than any NFL player ran in 2022!! He is a 4.3-4.4 guy at 6’3” 220 lbs. His speed is elite at his size. His agility is also considered elite. I can post the scouting reports if you want? I’d rather not have to continue the fact checking. This place works much better when we have discussion based on facts and in reality. Harrison has been incredibly underwhelming for his talent in the NFL. He has been a bad receiver and should be elite. He was an elite, and incredibly clean prospect. He had production, measurables and pedigree. That is all true. Please do not make stuff up and try to pass it off as true. Edited September 26 by Kirby Jackson 1 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted September 26 Posted September 26 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Agree. I don’t get what is going on there. Watching this prime vision though, I don’t love the routes Harrison runs. Agree. I think different coaching would improve the team and in turn his production. Crazy to say this for a guy who was on picked 4th overall but the guys at the end of the round in Keon Coleman, Pearsall and Ladd McConk look just as good. Madness really as he was an absolute dominant player in college. Do you think it’s exclusively how he’s used? Exclusively the player himself? Or a combination of both and the QB throwing the ball?? Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 26 Posted September 26 (edited) 26 minutes ago, DapperCam said: How is MHJ going to bust. He seemed as much of a sure thing as there is. Wouldn’t mind bringing him in as a buy low candidate in a year or two. I remember watching a Chris Simms-Mike Florio discussion before that draft in which Simms said that after watching film, Malik Nabers was the clear number one, Brian Thomas Jr the clear number two, and Harrison a (moderately) distant third. He has been proven entirely right. I wanted the Bills to trade up for BJT, but it would have been a very steep price. Edited September 26 by dave mcbride 2 Quote
thenorthremembers Posted September 26 Posted September 26 2 minutes ago, Sojourner said: Agree. I think different coaching would improve the team and in turn his production. Crazy to say this for a guy who was on picked 4th overall but the guys at the end of the round in Keon Coleman, Pearsall and Ladd McConk look just as good. Madness really as he was an absolute dominant player in college. Do you think it’s exclusively how he’s used? Exclusively the player himself? Or a combination of both and the QB throwing the ball?? Saw a few plays there where it was effort. I imagine a guy named Marvin Harrison, who grew up rich, and played football at Ohio State isnt use to a lot of losing or adversity. He obviously has all the talent in the world but is he a dog when it counts? 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted September 26 Posted September 26 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I remember watching a Chris Simms-Mike Florio discussion before that draft in which Simms said that after watching film, Malik Nabers was the clear number one, Brian Thomas Jr the clear number two, and Harrison a slightly distant third. He has been proven entirely right. I wanted the Bills to trade up for BJT, but it would have been a very steep price. Indeed. Nabers is an animal. Love his game. Sure he’s the product of high volume due to little else on that team but he doesn’t fail when called upon. 1 Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 26 Posted September 26 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: Saw a few plays there where it was effort. I imagine a guy named Marvin Harrison, who grew up rich, and played football at Ohio State isnt use to a lot of losing or adversity. He obviously has all the talent in the world but is he a dog when it counts? Harrison’s issue is a lack of the quicks. Nabers and BJT have it. He doesn’t. 2 Quote
tigerthelion Posted September 26 Posted September 26 2 minutes ago, Sojourner said: Indeed. Nabers is an animal. Love his game. Sure he’s the product of high volume due to little else on that team but he doesn’t fail when called upon. Seems like if an NFL team is looking to draft a WR, LSU is the team to scout. WR factory in recent years. 1 Quote
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