McDermott decision making

[billvernsays]

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

on that non challenge, isn’t it our booth guy’s fault? He tells McD to challenge or not. 

[billvernsays]

Then it’s his job to get a new Booth guy. He’s 0-2 3 games in that were pretty clear and obvious. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

on that non challenge, isn’t it our booth guy’s fault? He tells McD to challenge or not. 

 

The issue is his booth guys have sucked for 9 years now. It's on him to put the right people in there and he's never done it. 

[DrDawkinstein]

We hired someone specifically for this recently (last year?).

 

Additionally, not challenging the spot in the Ravens game was the right call. Spots are almost impossible to change/overturn on replay. And even more subjective when you throw a slide into the equation.

 

Was a better decision to hold onto the time out.

[Freddie's Dead]

The TOs at the end of the first half were the stupidest use of TOs.  You didn't have the third TO to use on 3rd down, so why not let the clock work for you?  Get the Fish to use their TOs and let them run out of time or kick the FG.  Stopping the clock there gave them the time to score the TD.  Just ***** stupid.

[HerdMenatlity1]

12 minutes ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

What mistake did Henry make? I remember Oliver knocking the ball out of Henry's hands. That is a great defensive play. No? Eventually this "we can't keep counting on lucky turnovers" thought process has to end. The D has been good at creating turnovers for years. I do agree on McD missing out on a couple of challenges, though.

Edited 1 hour ago by HerdMenatlity1

[Ethan in Cleveland]

The only person in the organization that is not held accountable for lack of improvement is McDermott. 

It's not going to change until Josh is fed up losing in the playoffs. 

We just need to accept it. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

We hired someone specifically for this recently (last year?).

 

Additionally, not challenging the spot in the Ravens game was the right call. Spots are almost impossible to change/overturn on replay. And even more subjective when you throw a slide into the equation.

 

Was a better decision to hold onto the time out.

yeah, we got John Perry, as I recall? I think he was the former head of officiating.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, HerdMenatlity1 said:

What mistake did Henry make? I remember Oliver knocking the ball out of Henry's hands. That is a great defensive play. No?

 

Henry got cocky about his stiff arm and tried to stiff arm Ed in traffic, allowing Ed to get to the football. He needs to save those stiff arms for DBs in space.

[billvernsays]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

We hired someone specifically for this recently (last year?).

 

Additionally, not challenging the spot in the Ravens game was the right call. Spots are almost impossible to change/overturn on replay. And even more subjective when you throw a slide into the equation.

 

Was a better decision to hold onto the time out.

I hear you but QB slides are a little different IMO. He had the ball up the field the spot was at least a yard off from reality, I think at that point in the game getting to 3rd and inches (at least) was the right move but why don’t our reporters even ask the questions to him? 
 

He's big an accountability for everyone else it seems. 

[gonzo1105]

I don’t know if the Hill catch would have been overturned it was very close . He bobbled it but I’m not sure if the foot wasn’t still on the ground when he got reposition. It was also incredibly early in the game so McDermott might have thought it was too close and too early to take that chance of losing one 

[HerdMenatlity1]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Henry got cocky about his stiff arm and tried to stiff arm Ed in traffic, allowing Ed to get to the football. He needs to save those stiff arms for DBs in space.

So, Ed just got lucky. Got it. 

[billvernsays]

3 minutes ago, HerdMenatlity1 said:

What mistake did Henry make? I remember Oliver knocking the ball out of Henry's hands. That is a great defensive play. No?

He made an incredible play. Henry usually doesn’t fumble like ever so regardless of how great of a play Ed made, Henry publicly stated that he feels the loss was on him. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

The only person in the organization that is not held accountable for lack of improvement is McDermott. 

It's not going to change until Josh is fed up losing in the playoffs. 

We just need to accept it. 

 

I mean I still think we can win it in spite of him, but it is true that there is zero accountability for McD. Not for his defenses that have killed us in literally 6 postseasons in a row or his game management including being one of the worst at challenges in the league for such a long time. It's always someone else's fault. 

[dickleyjones]

13 minutes ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

i don't see them as big mistakes at all.

 

allen's first down against the ravens...how many times do we need to challenge spots and fail? not clear enough, and any time there is a judgement call it probably goes against you. that goes for bobble call too, it's not clear enough to reverse. i mean, you might be right about those calls but a challenge needs more than being right.

 

and yeah, without the "gifts" we lose? if if if...maybe if kincaid catches the td we win easier.  maybe IF mcd challenged twice and lost them both and then IF they didn't call the roughing and we had no challenges we would have punted away and lost.

 

or, IF nothing changes at all, we won and it wasn't all that close.

 

Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I mean I still think we can win it in spite of him, but it is true that there is zero accountability for McD. Not for his defenses that have killed us in literally 6 postseasons in a row or his game management including being one of the worst at challenges in the league for such a long time. It's always someone else's fault. 

zero accountability. yeah cause the only way i see of keeping him accountable is to fire him. and we would be fools to do so.

 

mcd knows whatever happens is ultimately his fault. any leader knows that.

[HerdMenatlity1]

Just now, billvernsays said:

He made an incredible play. Henry usually doesn’t fumble like ever so regardless of how great of a play Ed made, Henry publicly stated that he feels the loss was on him. 

Oliver could have publicly stated the win was on him, due to an incredible play. Henry's public statement shouldn't diminish Oliver's play, which I took from the Dr's post. I could be mistaken on what Dr. was implying. If so, my apologies to you Dr. See below.

"Henry got cocky about his stiff arm and tried to stiff arm Ed in traffic, allowing Ed to get to the football. He needs to save those stiff arms for DBs in space."

 

[NewEra]

23 minutes ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

Good lord

[harmonkillebrew]

That non-challenge on the Hill bobble catch was a big mistake. They need to review their processes and get it right. 

[BVBILLS]

The replay challenge guy was out getting another beer and taking a piss