[Incomplete Title]

[BananaB]

13 hours ago, T.E. said:

People seem to be in denial about how close they were to losing that game. And they also seem to not particularly care that we haven't made any adjustments to the defense in years despite consistently having the same issues, or that that the coaching staff's offensive gameplan is centered around taking the ball out of our best player's hands.

 

Hey, but you're supposed to enjoy the ride and just pretend it's bad luck when they lose in the playoffs yet again after the same fatal flaws creep up.

This is bang on. Bernard had a good play and all is forgotten even though during the drive most were probably thinking if they score they are going for 2 and we are most likely *****. 
 

Ravens game was pretty much the same, D gets abused for 52 minutes giving up 40 and a couple drives actually doing their job and everything is wiped out. 
 

D is a problem.  Its the same stuff that has been talked about over and over again. 

Edited September 20 by BananaB

[Dafan]

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

Hey listen, if Greggy goes on a tear later in the year, I’ll be the first to cheer for it.

 

So far, his impact has been minimal compared to a Joey Bosa, agreed?

 

So far, when Bosa hits FA next year, we have a massive need at EDGE rusher despite paying Greg Rousseau, agreed?

 

it’s pretty telling that the defense of Rousseau’s performance the first 3 games is “it’s a long season” lol.

There's many ppl to complain about on the Defense (with injuries we have). Without Oliver, they still pressured Tua how many times.  And while Greg was being part of a line tying up blockers...how many other Bills totally whiffed on tackles for losses/sacks.  As long as this d-line is applying pressure and causing errant throws, I really don't care about single individuals getting stats.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

I learned a lot here ..

 

You learned what a persistent bunch we are, but I’m not quitting until I know what this is about!!! 

[Autumn]

Is this a parody post?

[BananaB]

11 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

And it should be hard to say that the personnel you saw on D last night will be the same that you see at the end of the year - it should improve dramatically with:

 

Ed Oliver - excellent player addition

M Milano - yes, he is still a starter

the PED boys - Hoecht/Ogunjobi

Hairston - first round draft pick

 

Safety - still think Beane is working on someone -within a budget.  Either by trade with a loser team (ala A Coop method) or just buy J Simmons at a discount.

 

That's 4-6 additional players from what you saw last night.  Do you think most teams are doing that?

 

 

Why does everyone add Hairston to this list? What makes them think McD is gonna put him in over Tre after missing time? 
 

I hated the Tre signing and I expect it to hurt us more in January because he’ll keep young players on the bench on experience alone. Dorian Strong is already perfect example. He was one of the bright spots in the game against the Ravens and giving him more opportunity early may help us later in the season. 

[Sierra Foothills]

11 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

if the chiefs trade for tyreek I think a lot of last night becomes very playoff relevant and I will join you in panic for sure haha but hill/waddle really outshine even the wr duos we’d see in an afc playoff run..  especially given I don’t think rice will be 100% this year

 

I'm surprised not more has been made about Tyreek Hill and his likely availability later this season.

 

I believe that Miami will be in sellers mode before the trade deadline and it seems a certainty that Kansas City will try to re-acquire him.

 

Then of course there was the McDermott-Tyreek exchange at the end of last night's game where it looked like Tyreek was offering his services.

 

If Kansas City attempts to acquire Tyreek, don't the Bills have to consider acquiring him in half to prevent him from reuniting with Mahomes/Reid and in half to give Josh the deep threat that he currently doesn't have?

 

11 hours ago, dcinmuncie said:

someone may have already said this, but now that i'm thinking about it, i'm happy with a relatively 'unfavorable' win.

why?

i love playing mike mcdaniel. this non butt whipping ensures he probably stays on for the year. the team didn't quit on him. 

 

and i prefer tyreek hill getting balls underthrown to him by Tua in September as opposed to perfectly placed and timed balls by Mahomes against us in January

 

In response to the many posters predicting a joyous annihilation of The Fish last night, I commented that people should be careful what they wish for. On some level barring unforeseen circumstances, last night's close game was the best outcome for the Buffalo Bills.

 

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

Well I guess that's a larger discussion about the way he's being used and if that was their vision when they gave him $80M. 

 

Can't say I'd be shelling out that kind of cash for setting the edge on a defensive system designed in part to allow some rushing success. 

 

It's absolutely fair to ask whether Bosa and Rousseau have the same or different assignments.

 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

Why does everyone add Hairston to this list? What makes them think McD is gonna put him in over Tre after missing time? 
 

I hated the Tre signing and I expect it to hurt us more in January because he’ll keep young players on the bench on experience alone. Dorian Strong is already perfect example. He was one of the bright spots in the game against the Ravens and giving him more opportunity early may help us later in the season. 

 

In a defense with so many new parts (both rookie and veteran), the worst thing would be to try to break in a rookie cornerback when you have a veteran who can capably man the position and who knows the defense like the back of his hand. Tre is an asset to this defense.

 

His ability to communicate pre-snap and get the team lined up correctly is invaluable as the defense tries to become cohesive.

 

People here who are simultaneously criticizing Tre White starting and the Bills defensive performance are arguing against themselves. It's more important for the new D-linemen and Cole Bishop to gel than it is to break in one more rookie on the back end.

 

Only when the defense has substantially gelled should White then cede time to Hairston and I certainly trust the coaching staff to know when that time is.

 

[BananaB]

10 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

In a defense with so many new parts (both rookie and veteran), the worst thing would be to try to break in a rookie cornerback when you have a veteran who can capably man the position and who knows the defense like the back of his hand. Tre is an asset to this defense.

 

His ability to communicate pre-snap and get the team lined up correctly is invaluable as the defense tries to become cohesive.

 

People here who are simultaneously criticizing Tre White starting and the Bills defensive performance are arguing against themselves. It's more important for the new D-linemen and Cole Bishop to gel than it is to break in one more rookie on the back end.

 

Only when the defense has substantially gelled should White then cede time to Hairston and I certainly trust the coaching staff to know when that time is.

 

You’re at the perfect time in your schedule to be trying to get young players on the field. Early season and a lot of low level competition. Strong just played against the best O we are probably gonna see all season and gave up 1 catch, let him try to improve on that now. If it’s not working you have Tre to step in, at any point you will get the same Tre. 
 

You have an opportunity to possibly help your team in later months by getting a guy experience now. Tre ain’t gonna be that guy who’s gonna be better down the road.

Edited September 20 by BananaB

[Sierra Foothills]

3 minutes ago, BananaB said:

You’re at the perfect time in your schedule to be trying to get young players on the field. Early season and a lot of low level competition. Strong just played against the best O we are probably gonna see all season and gave up 1 catch, let him try to improve on that now. If it’s not working you have Tre to step in, he’ll be that same player all year. 

 

Disagree.

 

Tre didn't play in week 1, split snaps with Dorian in week 2 and then played all the snaps in week 3.

 

This tells you that the coaching staff wants him in game shape so that they can depend on him as a known quantity/variable and defensive leader.

 

Of course Strong (and eventually Hairston) needs snaps to develop but with Cole Bishop having only started 7 games and Dorian Williams having only started 16 games in 3 seasons, and with Shaq Thompson, Joey Bosa, Deone Walker, and TJ Sanders all trying to assimilate into the defense, the last thing the Bills need is to force a rookie cornerback into what is already a bucket of moving parts.

 

I'm predicting there will be some blowouts in the Bills near future and that's when Strong can pickup valuable playing time.

 

[Einstein's Dog]

11 hours ago, BananaB said:

Why does everyone add Hairston to this list? What makes them think McD is gonna put him in over Tre after missing time? 
 

I hated the Tre signing and I expect it to hurt us more in January because he’ll keep young players on the bench on experience alone. Dorian Strong is already perfect example. He was one of the bright spots in the game against the Ravens and giving him more opportunity early may help us later in the season. 

Everyone adds Hairston to the list because he was the Bills first draft choice.  Obviously, they intend for him to be playing.  So when you talk about what the personnel of the Bills defense may look like at the end of the year, it is reasonable to expect Hairston to be in the fold.

[BVBILLS]

Is it just me, or does Mc Clappy play the fins in sort of prevent mode and wait for them to make a mistake?

[Mike in Horseheads]

14 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Then of course there was the McDermott-Tyreek exchange at the end of last night's game where it looked like Tyreek was offering his services.

 

Did he slip him a resume in a yellow interoffice envelope?

[BigDingus]

I don't know what the original thread was titled, but it was probably more understandable than "[Incomplete Title]" 

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Did he slip him a resume in a yellow interoffice envelope?

 

It was actually a manila folder... same difference.

 

[ColoradoBills]

12 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Did he slip him a resume in a yellow interoffice envelope?

 

We called them "Holy Joe's" in the Air Force way back when the planes had propellers.

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

We called them "Holy Joe's" in the Air Force way back when the planes had propellers.

 

First, thank you for your service.  we had a color coded system on how important it was. Of course everybody down to the a new hire figured out within a few days  how that worked.  So much for the red confidential one 

[GunnerBill]

On 9/20/2025 at 2:21 AM, BananaB said:

This is bang on. Bernard had a good play and all is forgotten even though during the drive most were probably thinking if they score they are going for 2 and we are most likely *****. 
 

Ravens game was pretty much the same, D gets abused for 52 minutes giving up 40 and a couple drives actually doing their job and everything is wiped out. 
 

D is a problem.  Its the same stuff that has been talked about over and over again. 

 

I genuinely was not thinking that. At no poiny did I think the Bills were losing that game.

On 9/19/2025 at 4:02 PM, Einstein said:

I think I mentioned this last night. but I am worried about Tre White.

 

He seems to be at the point where he is playing his own personal prevent defense: “just don’t let them get behind me”. Which gives his receiver 5-10 yards of pitch and catch each time. 

 

That is kinda of the job of the CB2 in this defense. Keep everything in front break on the ball but at worst tackle immediately and limit YAC. He gave up 5 catches for 27 yards. Now there were two "bad look" plays in that where the coaching put him in a tough spot. The problem yesterday was that they could also throw on the CB1. Benford was dreadful. If that pattern repeats the scheme has an issue. 

[GunnerBill]

On 9/19/2025 at 11:50 PM, T.E. said:

They are doing nothing different. Still targeting undersized players who end up injury-prone. Still can't get to the QB. Still cant get off the field on 3rd down. Still giving gigantic cushions to receivers. Still completely reactive. The defense is actually worse this year than in previous seasons.

 

They are doing things different. As the poster you are replying to pointed out - much more man coverage, more 4-3 as their base and more blitzing. 

 

Now it is absolutely fair to say at the moment that it doesn't look like those changes are helping a ton (thought they did keep Miami to 4.6 yards per play and under 300 total yards) it is also fair to have questions about the coordination of the defense and the playcalling. But it is not true to say scheme wise they are doing nothing different. They definitely are.

[GunnerBill]

On 9/19/2025 at 1:37 PM, dorquemada said:

I'm a little concerned by the lack of pressure on Tua.  Dude's a statue and we barely got near him all game.  I guess as we get guys back it'll get better, good that we're going into the easier part of the schedule.  Those long drives where the D can't get off the field are exhausting to watch

 

But must be balanced against four 3 and outs. 

 

The D was feast or famine on Thursday.

[CSBill]

20 hours ago, BVBILLS said:

Is it just me, or does Mc Clappy play the fins in sort of prevent mode and wait for them to make a mistake?

 

Well, the fact that they have 3 elite weapons on offense adds credibility to your thesis.