Joe Brady through 2 games

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It's really unbelievable that a team who leads the NFL in points a game since 2020, averaging over 29 PPG, is near the top of the league on 3rd down conversions over that time, has punted the fewest number of times and who's average game is a 9.5 point win (INLCUDING THEIR LOSSES) STILL has people complaining about things. 

 

Like what the hell do you want? Their average game is a 9.5 point win and the next closest team is Baltimore at 6.72. That's an absurd difference. That's a bigger difference between the Bills and the 2nd place team than it is between the Ravens and the 6th place 49ers.

 

Results count...not any of this other nonsense. And at the end of the day the Bills have gotten better end results in terms of scoring points than any other team in the NFL for over 5 years.

 

But Shakir was only targeted twice!

[finn]

3 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I think a lot of our play calling is the way it is right now to protect our defense and keep them off the field. It works against a team like the Jets, but needing 3 downs to get a first down isn’t really a great strategy to move down the field. Plenty of drives have stalled already to due being extremely conservative and it would have cost us the Ravens game if not for Allen’s heroics.

But you're not fully accounting for why Allen was suddenly able to hit receivers in the fourth quarter. Apart from his abilities, the Ravens defense was exhausted by being on the field so long (25:11-34:49), which was due to Brady's game plan. No, it's not a great strategy for getting down the field, especially quickly, but it keeps the other team's offense on the bench and loads the dice in your favor in the fourth quarter. 

 

The game might have been an utter blowout if Brady had opened it up early, gambling that in a track-meet game, Allen et al could score more points against an excellent defense than Lamar and Henry could against a tissue-paper defense. 

 

 

[fan_in_tx]

On 9/14/2025 at 8:19 PM, JoPoy88 said:

I think Brady’s never going to call games like Daboll did, and I predict you’re going to continue to be disappointed if you wish that’s gonna happen.

Dabol had over 500yds of offense last week in a very exciting display of offensive power...  All for an "L"

 

[finn]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The receivers we have are legit NFL players (maybe Shavers still a tbc - but Keon, Palmer, Shakir, Moore, Samuel and the two main pass catching tight ends) but none of them are (at least yet) difference makers and so we still have snaps when we are forced into pure dropback where nobody can get open downfield unless Josh gets out and extends the play. The Bills are finding ways to coach and scheme around that and to mask it to a large extent - but I do still worry at some point it becomes a limitation. 

The Bills receivers may be becoming the league's best unit in the Fire Drill. Who needs initial separation from elite cornerbacks if you can utterly flummox them by running around randomly after the initial play breaks down--and do so all game long? 

[Alphadawg7]

36 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It's really unbelievable that a team who leads the NFL in points a game since 2020, averaging over 29 PPG, is near the top of the league on 3rd down conversions over that time, has punted the fewest number of times and who's average game is a 9.5 point win (INLCUDING THEIR LOSSES) STILL has people complaining about things. 

 

Like what the hell do you want? Their average game is a 9.5 point win and the next closest team is Baltimore at 6.72. That's an absurd difference. That's a bigger difference between the Bills and the 2nd place team than it is between the Ravens and the 6th place 49ers.  And that includes multiple games where Allen has sat out in the 4th quarter where they could have run up the score like Baltimore likes to do and games where Allen hasn't played.

 

Results count...not any of this other nonsense. And at the end of the day the Bills have gotten better end results in terms of scoring points than any other team in the NFL for over 5 years.

 

I don't give a damn how they score points. Just score. They put up 400 yards and 30 points in 3 quarters against the Jets and people are crying like they just put up 2 FGs because it "looked bad". Give me a break.

 

And save me the crap about "well that won't work against X" because as we've seen, when Allen needs to go off, he goes off and there isn't much that can be done to stop him.

 

He is the single most productive player in the history of the NFL on a per game basis in both the regular and post season and he just continues extending the gap between him and everyone else.

 

I get wher you are coming from, but you are also burying your head and ignoring context and facts because of the final scores a bit here too.  Bills stalled out multiple times on the opening drive where we still got a TD but Jets mistakes undid our mistakes and gave us free points.  You see a scoreboard adding 7, but the reality is without Jets shooting themselves in their own foot, we don't get 7 there.  This is just one example.  

 

Ravens - we should have turned the ball over on downs, but on a 4th down throw that got deflected by our TE it found its way to Keon, otherwise we turn the ball over on downs to an offense we couldn't stop and we likely end the game with a multi score loss.  But that lucky bounce also led to a fortunate fumble and a fortunate cramping to Lamar that led us to two more improbable scores that shouldn't have happened.  

 

So you can say "scoreboard" all you want -- and truthfully I am normally in that same camp, but when it comes to the offense playing well though.  The reality is the offense was not clicking for 3 quarters week 1 and play calling was a big part of that.  I cant tell you how many times I screamed at the screen over play calls those 3 quarters.  And in week 2, the offense was not playing well either, but the Jets were playing worse and kept hurting themselves and giving us points off those mistakes.  

 

Again, I am NOT worried -- but this rant also does not reflect the reality of what is being discussed and that is the play calling has not been strong and execution has been inconsistent at times the first 2 weeks.  Ravens game our offense was not capable of keeping up with the Ravens until we ran the 2 min offense for almost a whole quarter and then had multiple miracle breaks happen to help us score several times.  The scoreboard against the Jets had more to do with how bad the Jets played on offense and how bad they were on defensive penalties than it had to do with how well the offense played.  

 

We have plenty of time to dial it in, and a game against the Fins is the perfect recipe to get into a groove as we usually cook them. But to also pretend the offense has been dominant or a well oiled machine through 2 weeks just because of final scores is not really doing an unbiased analysis of their play over 8 quarters of football. 

Edited September 16 by Alphadawg7

[TheFunPolice]

Brady will be a HC next year, maybe in New Orleans with Manning

 

 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I get wher you are coming from, but you are also burying your head and ignoring context and facts because of the final scores a bit here too.  Bills stalled out multiple times on the opening drive where we still got a TD but Jets mistakes undid our mistakes and gave us free points.  You see a scoreboard adding 7, but the reality is without Jets shooting themselves in their own foot, we don't get 7 there.  This is just one example.  

 

Ravens - we should have turned the ball over on downs, but on a 4th down throw that got deflected by our TE it found its way to Keon, otherwise we turn the ball over on downs to an offense we couldn't stop and we likely end the game with a multi score loss.  But that lucky bounce also led to a fortunate fumble and a fortunate cramping to Lamar that led us to two more improbable scores that shouldn't have happened.  

 

So you can say "scoreboard" all you want -- and truthfully I am normally in that same camp, but when it comes to the offense playing well though.  The reality is the offense was not clicking for 3 quarters week 1 and play calling was a big part of that.  I cant tell you how many times I screamed at the screen over play calls those 3 quarters.  And in week 2, the offense was not playing well either, but the Jets were playing worse and kept hurting themselves and giving us points off those mistakes.  

 

Again, I am NOT worried -- but this rant also does not reflect the reality of what is being discussed and that is the play calling has not been strong and execution has been inconsistent at times the first 2 weeks.  Ravens game our offense was not capable of keeping up with the Ravens until we ran the 2 min offense for almost a whole quarter and then had multiple miracle breaks happen to help us score several times.  The scoreboard against the Jets had more to do with how bad the Jets played on offense and how bad they were on defensive penalties than it had to do with how well the offense played.  

 

We have plenty of time to dial it in, and a game against the Fins is the perfect recipe to get into a groove as we usually cook them. But to also pretend the offense has been dominant or a well oiled machine through 2 weeks just because of final scores is not really doing an unbiased analysis of their play over 8 quarters of football. 

 

They have 500 yards of offense and 400 yards of offense in 2 games and average 36 points. If these are things to worry about then 30 other teams should be a lot more worried.

[Magox]

Some of you guys are a real hoot.

 

- Points Scored: The Bills are ranked 2nd in points per game with 35.5.

• Offensive Yardage: The Bills offense is ranked 1st in total yards per game with 450 ypg

• Passing Offense: The Bills are ranked 3rd in passing yards per game with 287 ypg 

• Running Offense: The Bills are ranked 2nd in rushing yards per game with 166.0 ypg

 

• Red Zone Offense: In a recent ranking, the Bills were listed as 1st in "Red Zone Plus/Minus" with a score of +24. This ranking, however, is based on an Athlon Sports metric. The team also ranks 9th in red zone scoring percentage (TD) with a rate of 71.43%.

 

- 0 turnovers ranked 1st in the NFL

 

You guys are just embarrassing yourselves

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They have 500 yards of offense and 400 yards of offense in 2 games and average 36 points. If these are things to worry about then 30 other teams should be a lot more worried.

 

So you just keep glossing over everything still I see.  So you have no concern that most of that in the 4th quarter had like less than a 1% chance of happening but did.  So no concern about how we were in a 99% chance to lose until we got not one, not two, not three, not four, but 5 improbable lucky breaks to create all those yards and points?  A 4th down where a lucky bounce got a TD...a missed XP by Balt...a improbable fumble by Henry...Lamars cramps forcing them to punt...Kyle Hamilton pulling up a millisecond early preventing him from blocking the game winning FG - and a bonus for Balt mismanaging the timeouts and clock giving us more time for our 41 year old kicker off the couch to make the kick.  

 

You want to depend on all that every single week to mask 3 quarters of losing football?  

 

Or week 2 - you want to gloss over our first TD and half our yards on that opening drive should have never happened if not for multiple Jets penalties baliling us out?  Or how the Jets defense ill timed penalties extended many drives that should have ended on our own poor execution, or how the Jets offense kept giving us the ball back through poor play or turnovers.  

 

So again, you can cite stats all you want, but that doesn't translate to the offense was humming.  And 251 yards of offense came in just 1 quarter and was made possible thanks to several lucky and improbable breaks we cant count on.

 

Again, NOT worried about the offense, but this notion that everything was great because of the final scores is just ignoring context to support a bias.  And look, I think we are the best team in football, but the unbiased truth is the offense has had its own struggles in the first 2 weeks to work through still.  And I do believe we will and will look our best of the season this week against Miami.

Edited September 16 by Alphadawg7

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So you just keep glossing over everything still I see.  So you have no concern that most of that in the 4th quarter had like less than a 1% chance of happening but did.  So no concern about how we were in a 99% chance to lose until we got not one, not two, not three, not four, but 5 improbable lucky breaks to create all those yards and points?  A 4th down where a lucky bounce got a TD...a missed XP by Balt...a improbable fumble by Henry...Lamars cramps forcing them to punt...Kyle Hamilton pulling up a millisecond early preventing him from blocking the game winning FG - and a bonus for Balt mismanaging the timeouts and clock giving us more time for our 41 year old kicker off the couch to make the kick.  

 

You want to depend on all that every single week to mask 3 quarters of losing football?  

 

Or week 2 - you want to gloss over our first TD and half our yards on that opening drive should have never happened if not for multiple Jets penalties baliling us out?  Or how the Jets defense ill timed penalties extended many drives that should have ended on our own poor execution, or how the Jets offense kept giving us the ball back through poor play or turnovers.  

 

So again, you can cite stats all you want, but that doesn't translate to the offense was humming.  And 251 yards of offense came in just 1 quarter and was made possible thanks to several lucky and improbable breaks we cant count on.

 

Again, NOT worried about the offense, but this notion that everything was great because of the final scores is just ignoring context to support a bias.  And look, I think we are the best team in football, but the unbiased truth is the offense has had its own struggles in the first 2 weeks to work through still.  And I do believe we will and will look our best of the season this week against Miami.

 

No, because over a 5+ year sample size this has been shown to be a sustained production, not some 2 game wonder. And not only sustained production...best in the NFL by A MILE production on a game to game basis...they have won the most games by double digits in the NFL since 2020 and nearly average a 9.5 win every game(including losses).  

 

It would be like Elon Musk worrying about being homeless and penniless by next year.

Edited September 16 by Big Turk

[ColoradoBills]

42 minutes ago, finn said:

The Bills receivers may be becoming the league's best unit in the Fire Drill. Who needs initial separation from elite cornerbacks if you can utterly flummox them by running around randomly after the initial play breaks down--and do so all game long? 

 

I'm going to believe that some of these "fire drills" are the play.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

No, because over a 5+ year sample size this has been shown to be a sustained production, not some 2 game wonder. 

 

Except no one cares about regular season - the concern is when we lose in the playoffs, we see a lot of the issues we just saw in the first 2 weeks of the season end our season every year.  So again, ignore the warts all you want, but history has shown these warts have sent us home several times in the post season.  

 

I very much believe this is going to be different this year, so dont take my comments as if I am down on the team, I am not.  But there are valid concerns of where the offense had struggles during the first 2 weeks where week 1 really should have been a loss (thank you Balt) and week 2 performance is the kind of performance that might have been a loss against a better team or in the playoffs - at the very least a much closer game.  

 

So, no need to get upset over people discussing some of the issues that were affecting this offense that would be be problematic if they persist or show up in a key playoff game.  

 

Again - I am not concerned, the offense I expect to find its groove more, just naive to pretend we didn't have things we need to work on for this team to win a SB.  

[PromoTheRobot]

On 9/14/2025 at 9:12 PM, dayman said:

We’re scoring points

 

You just answered your question. The Bills are #2 in scoring (71) behind the Ravens. (81)

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Except no one cares about regular season - the concern is when we lose in the playoffs, we see a lot of the issues we just saw in the first 2 weeks of the season end our season every year.  So again, ignore the warts all you want, but history has shown these warts have sent us home several times in the post season.  

 

I very much believe this is going to be different this year, so dont take my comments as if I am down on the team, I am not.  But there are valid concerns of where the offense had struggles during the first 2 weeks where week 1 really should have been a loss (thank you Balt) and week 2 performance is the kind of performance that might have been a loss against a better team or in the playoffs - at the very least a much closer game.  

 

So, no need to get upset over people discussing some of the issues that were affecting this offense that would be be problematic if they persist or show up in a key playoff game.  

 

Again - I am not concerned, the offense I expect to find its groove more, just naive to pretend we didn't have things we need to work on for this team to win a SB.  

 

You mean when we lose in the playoffs are are putting up 30+ points a game and the defense allows an all-time NFL record 33+ points a game in the last 5 losses? All while Allen is the postseason record holder in most touchdowns per game and lowest INT % per game?

 

Like what the hell are we talking about?  Do you know how many points TOTAL the Bills gave up in AFC Championship games in the 1990's going to 4 straight Super Bowls? 33!  Which is lower than the average the Bills have given up per game in their last 5 playoff losses.

Edited September 16 by Big Turk

[PromoTheRobot]

On 9/14/2025 at 9:21 PM, Fetou said:

This is a team that is going to have to hide a bad defense against good teams in the playoffs and rely on keeping games close for Josh Allen to have a chance to win the game at the end. This offense and a few big plays/turnovers on defense is our formula to beat more talented teams.

 

Why are we a "bad defense?" Because we got lit up by the best offense in the NFL on opening day?

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You mean when we lose in the playoffs are are putting up 30+ points a game and the defense allows an all-time NFL record 33+ points a game in the last 5 losses?

 

You seem to be disconnected from reality - the playoff losses the last 3 years say otherwise where our offense averaged 21 ppg.  And in the last 2, it was the offense who came up short at the end to lose those games.

 

Granted, the defense IMO has been way worse, but to pretend the offense hasn't had its own things both these 2 weeks and in the playoffs in losses is just not accurate at all.

 

Edited September 16 by Alphadawg7

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You seem to be disconnected from reality - the losses the last 3 years say otherwise where our offense averaged 21 ppg.  

 

I don't even count the Bengals game. That was not the Bills out there that day. That team was mentally gone. Conveniently leave out the game they put up 36 points and lost with 13 seconds left, tho.

Edited September 16 by Big Turk

[Doc Brown]

The Bills offense can beat you in multiple ways.  Passing game or running game.  They're built to play from behind like we saw against the Ravens and built to play from ahead like we saw against the Jets.  You can always nit pick at play calling and see areas where they can improve.  However, through two games they've put up double digit points in every half.  For the most part the play calling has been fine.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

I don't even count the Bengals game. That was not the Bills out there that day. That team was mentally gone.

 

Okay so we don't count games now.  Should we not count the Pats game in 2022 because the Pats suck?  I mean what are we even doing now.  Picking and choosing what we count to pretend everything is 100% perfect all the time?

 

All good, you want to pretend the offense was amazing weeks 1 and 2 with nothing to work on - thats your perogative.  I on the other hand see room for improvement, especially in how we call plays so far the first 2 weeks if we want to win a SB this year.  And I am confident we will, but that doesn't change the fact it had issues the first 2 weeks. 

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You seem to be disconnected from reality - the playoff losses the last 3 years say otherwise where our offense averaged 21 ppg.  And in the last 2, it was the offense who came up short at the end to lose those games.

 

Granted, the defense IMO has been way worse, but to pretend the offense hasn't had its own things both these 2 weeks and in the playoffs in losses is just not accurate at all.

 

Why are you only going back three years when Allen's been elite for five years now?  If it's a Brady specific criticism why not just go back the last two years?