ChiGoose Posted September 12 Posted September 12 2 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: Has this come out yet? I haven't seen anything on this. Nothing for sure, but the phrases written on the cases are very similar to ones commonly used in some online communities. So while we wait for more info, I'd remain open to the possibility that he belonged to some fringe online community and not necessarily acting on his own. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, ChiGoose said: Nothing for sure, but the phrases written on the cases are very similar to ones commonly used in some online communities. So while we wait for more info, I'd remain open to the possibility that he belonged to some fringe online community and not necessarily acting on his own. And that's what's key: if he was truly "acting on his own" (even if inspired by some online haters), well, then it's sadly what we see all the time. Acting with he actual assistance of someone or someones else? That's a big deal. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 12 Posted September 12 7 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: Well yeah, I agree the rhetoric is the real danger. Whether someone claims the far-right, far-left, or no group at all, violent language can still push lone actors to act. That’s why I think it’s more important to call out and reduce the toxic messaging—no matter which side it comes from—than to argue over labels like ‘Antifa. It's meaningless. But the label means something here.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 12 Posted September 12 3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Nothing for sure, but the phrases written on the cases are very similar to ones commonly used in some online communities. So while we wait for more info, I'd remain open to the possibility that he belonged to some fringe online community and not necessarily acting on his own. Discord isn't fringe though. 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: But the label means something here. We know, but he doesn't want to admit it. 1
ChiGoose Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Discord isn't fringe though. I never said it was? Discord is a popular tool for chats. Lots of communities use it, including some very weird ones. 1
BillsFanNC Posted September 12 Author Posted September 12 Thankfully no such video exists of LGBTQ activists chanting in public that they're coming for your children. Max's evidence just keeps piling up! I feel shame. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Discord isn't fringe though. Well, in the world of social media, yes, it is fringe. Certainly not everything there is fringe (a lot of people belong to rather mundane online communities), but it is pretty niche overall.
ALLinALLEN Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: But the label means something here. Not if he had no affiliations with Antifa (via online communities, meetups, etc.). Otherwise it would just be that he shared some viewpoints of that movement.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, BillsFanNC said: Thankfully no such video exists of LGBTQ activists chanting in public that they're coming for your children. Max's evidence just keeps piling up! I feel shame. / / / / / / / / / / No surprise that the author doesn't comprehend sarcasm.
BillsFanNC Posted September 12 Author Posted September 12 Why anyone bothers with commie hand waving word games is beyond me. The kid was inspired by far left wing ideology. End of story. 2
Royale with Cheese Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said: Not if he had no affiliations with Antifa (via online communities, meetups, etc.). Otherwise it would just be that he shared some viewpoints of that movement. I believe you said earlier that the rhetoric is the danger. A rhetoric created by a particular group.
Heavy Kevi Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: I don’t agree with the DP at all. And I don’t think there should be a fast lane. But if there is … something like Thai probably fits the bill. Seems like a clean case. In a perfect world I wouldn't agree with the death penalty. But the death penalty is just what this kid gave to Kirk, with no process at all. You could say "an eye for an eye just leaves the whole world blind", but it wouldn't. It would leave some people blind until everyone else didn't want to get their eyes gouged out. Deterrence is the only thing that works. My $.10 anyway (inflation) 1
ChiGoose Posted September 12 Posted September 12 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: And that's what's key: if he was truly "acting on his own" (even if inspired by some online haters), well, then it's sadly what we see all the time. Acting with he actual assistance of someone or someones else? That's a big deal. Nihilism is pretty common with some of these groups, especially with Gen Zers. Personally, if someone was part of a community that promoted violence, encouraged its members to commit violence, and celebrated them when they did, I wouldn't call the violent acts those of a "lone wolf" even if technically nobody else was legally complicit in the planning or perpetration of the violence. This stuff doesn't fit simple political narratives though. Hard to bludgeon the other side with it. Doesn't mean Kirk's shooter belonged to such a group, but I wouldn't be surprised.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 12 Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, in the world of social media, yes, it is fringe. Certainly not everything there is fringe (a lot of people belong to rather mundane online communities), but it is pretty niche overall. 259 million people isn't fringe. 1 1
SectionC3 Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: Why anyone bothers with commie hand waving word games is beyond me. The kid was inspired by far left wing ideology. End of story. Well I can see the civility already fading away. Back to commie this and commie that. And we wonder why we can’t have dialogue in this country anymore.
ALLinALLEN Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I believe you said earlier that the rhetoric is the danger. A rhetoric created by a particular group. My point is that if a crazed anti-abortion person committed a shooting, It would be wrong to say they were "part of the MAGA movement!" Sure its a shared view, but unless you show me that same person at rallies, on online forums, encouraged by others...then I would conclude the person was just a crazy person acting out tat happened to share similar views. I think this kid shared some (or alot even) of Antifa views, but I'm not saying he is part of the Antifa movement. As facts come out, that could surely change. 2
Pokebball Posted September 12 Posted September 12 9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, in the world of social media, yes, it is fringe. Certainly not everything there is fringe (a lot of people belong to rather mundane online communities), but it is pretty niche overall. Social media? The Dem candidate for POTUS called Trump a fascist 1 1
boyst Posted September 12 Posted September 12 2 hours ago, Roundybout said: Also no, he didn't have the Iron Front arrows. He had a reference to a video game: up right down down down. 3 down V's is 1337 speak brah lurk 4chan lol
thenorthremembers Posted September 12 Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Social media? The Dem candidate for POTUS called Trump a fascist To be fair to Kamala. She thought fascist was a brand of Pinot Grigio 4
BillsFanNC Posted September 12 Author Posted September 12 53 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I was teaching in LA and a tranny, looked like was walking home from a bender, grabbed and showed his hard on through his tight dress to all the kids in the playground. These kids weren't traumatized and just laughed. I went to the principal who was talking to someone else outside. He told me there's a gay bar down the block and this happens a lot so these kids are used to it. I said so we aren't calling the police? He said "no, not for something like this". I'm from Atlanta, that guy would have been tackled by cops here. LA is just different. These kids see different things. I'm sorry, we don't believe you. And even if we did believe you, your principal was correct. What's the big deal? - Max and Juaronimo.
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