Josh Allen Designed Runs

[LabattBlue]

I don’t mind the QB Sneak/Tush Push(even though it seems to have lost its luster). I don’t mind run/pass options to the outside. 
 

I do mind student body left/right.  Sending Allen into traffic for 3 yard gains is going to get him hurt.  Just stop it already Brady.   

Edited 5 hours ago by LabattBlue

[UConn James]

It’s gotten faaaar too predictable that the rush push is to the left of center. Bit us in the tush vs. KC in the AFCC.

 

And… it’s Joe Brady. Unless you’re trying to make a funny / sarcasm.

[Buffalo716]

Statistically a designed run is safer than a scramble 

 

There is zero data that shows he's more likely to get hurt.. in fact the long-term NFL studies show he's less susceptible to getting hurt on a designed run 

 

And running quarterbacks do not get hurt at any more rate than pocket passers 

 

In fact it's the tweeners who don't know if they want to be a pocket passer or want to be a runner that get hurt the worst.. Josh Allen is in the same injury category as a Tom Brady.. they don't get actually injured often.. pure runners pure pocket passers are on the same injury rate.. the lowest bracket of quarterback injuries 

 

And there is zero correlation between designed runs and quarterback injuries in fact they have a bigger chance of getting hurt getting knocked down stationary in the pocket

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Simon]

I was really pissed when they went right to it on the opening drive.

If they were doing it once just to give them a look they felt they needed to defend, OK.

Otherwise, save that stuff for January and take advantage of your 6'5" artillery piece in the pocket.

[LabattBlue]

11 minutes ago, UConn James said:

It’s gotten faaaar too predictable that the rush push is to the left of center. Bit us in the tush vs. KC in the AFCC.

 

And… it’s Joe Brady. Unless you’re trying to make a funny / sarcasm.

Oops. Brain cramp. Sucks getting old. Thx. 

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Statistically a designed run is safer than a scramble 

 

There is zero data that shows he's more likely to get hurt.. in fact the long-term NFL studies show he's less susceptible to getting hurt on a designed run 

 

And running quarterbacks do not get hurt at any more rate than pocket passers 

 

In fact it's the tweeners who don't know if they want to be a pocket passer or want to be a runner that get hurt the worst.. Josh Allen is in the same injury category as a Tom Brady.. they don't get actually injured often.. pure runners pure pocket passers are on the same injury rate.. the lowest bracket of quarterback injuries 

 

And there is zero correlation between designed runs and quarterback injuries in fact they have a bigger chance of getting hurt getting knocked down stationary in the pocket

 

 

Did you even read my post?  Not questioning designed runs. I’m questioning the particular design of ONE such run. 3 yards and a cloud of dust to the left or right. 
 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by LabattBlue

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Yea regular season against the ravens id probably not run a lot of that stuff.  None of their hits were dirty but they were absolutely flying around to make tackles with reckless abandon haha felt like there were 11 Taylor rapps out there 

 

I feel like roquan jumped up and rode on Josh’s back on a lot of those short designed runs it was wild..  they were definitely hitting like it was the last game of the season most of the way then it felt like they ran out of steam late 

Edited 5 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Matt_In_NH]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Statistically a designed run is safer than a scramble 

 

There is zero data that shows he's more likely to get hurt.. in fact the long-term NFL studies show he's less susceptible to getting hurt on a designed run 

 

And running quarterbacks do not get hurt at any more rate than pocket passers 

 

In fact it's the tweeners who don't know if they want to be a pocket passer or want to be a runner that get hurt the worst.. Josh Allen is in the same injury category as a Tom Brady.. they don't get actually injured often.. pure runners pure pocket passers are on the same injury rate.. the lowest bracket of quarterback injuries 

 

And there is zero correlation between designed runs and quarterback injuries in fact they have a bigger chance of getting hurt getting knocked down stationary in the pocket

 

 

That always gets said.  I bet there is data that a qb is less likely to get hurt doing a hand off vs a SBL.  

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Oops. Brain cramp. Sucks getting old. Thx. 

Did you even read my post.  Not questioning designed runs. I’m questioning the particular design of ONE such run. 3 yards and a cloud of dust to the left or right. 
 

 

On 3rd and two I'd much rather see Josh Allen power off tackle left then just run James Cook right up the gut on an inside zone honestly

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

That always gets said.  I bet there is data that a qb is less likely to get hurt doing a hand off vs a SBL.  

Because it's the truth... There is no correlation between running quarterbacks and injuries 

 

The worst injuries to quarterbacks typically always happen inside the pocket when they're stationary.. with 300 lb guys flying around their knees, and whipping them to the ground like tua

 

Outside the pocket Josh is bigger than linebackers and safeties he's actually safer

[MJS]

15 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I don’t mind the QB Sneak/Tush Push(even though it seems to have lost its luster). I don’t mind run/pass options to the outside. 
 

I do mind student body left/right.  Sending Allen into traffic for 3 yard gains is going to get him hurt.  Just stop it already Brady.   

Is it going to get him hurt? It certainly hasn't so far. Allen is the most durable QB in the NFL. And QB's get injured in the pocket at much higher rates than on scrambles or designed runs.

[LabattBlue]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

On 3rd and two I'd much rather see Josh Allen power off tackle left then just run James Cook right up the gut on an inside zone honestly

I didn’t realize those are the only two options on a 3rd and 2?

[Matt_In_NH]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

On 3rd and two I'd much rather see Josh Allen power off tackle left then just run James Cook right up the gut on an inside zone honestly

Because it's the truth... There is no correlation between running quarterbacks and injuries 

 

The worst injuries to quarterbacks typically always happen inside the pocket when they're stationary.. with 300 lb guys flying around their knees, and whipping them to the ground like tua

 

Outside the pocket Josh is bigger than linebackers and safeties he's actually safer

Where is your data?   Also you did not read what I wrote.  
 

 

Allen got turf toe vs the Bucs on a run

allen got concussed and mercy a game on a run vs pats 

Allen broke his hand on a run vs cardinals

allen almost tore his knee on a run bs chargers where bosa wrestled him down. 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Matt_In_NH

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I didn’t realize those are the only two options on a 3rd and 2?

There's obviously more options but last night when our offense got stagnant we just went to trying to punch it right up the gut on second and one or third and one 

 

And if we're going to do that.. I'd much rather just have Josh Allen run power off tackle because the dive doesn't work right up the gut 

 

But Josh Allen will pick it up

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

On 3rd and two I'd much rather see Josh Allen power off tackle left then just run James Cook right up the gut on an inside zone honestly

Because it's the truth... There is no correlation between running quarterbacks and injuries 

 

The worst injuries to quarterbacks typically always happen inside the pocket when they're stationary.. with 300 lb guys flying around their knees, and whipping them to the ground like tua

 

Outside the pocket Josh is bigger than linebackers and safeties he's actually safer

Did Josh get asked about that one third down quick cook handoff in the presser or anything? That was such a strange play I feel like the ravens either baited him into it by looking like they weren’t paying attention or he was trying to catch an extra man on the field or something. I don’t think that’s the play that was called.  Not that it hasn’t been called other times though lol

 

[LabattBlue]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

There's obviously more options but last night when our offense got stagnant we just went to trying to punch it right up the gut on second and one or third and one 

 

And if we're going to do that.. I'd much rather just have Josh Allen run power off tackle because the dive doesn't work right up the gut 

 

But Josh Allen will pick it up

 

 

Way off topic.  NVM. 

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Where is your data?   Also you did not read what I wrote.  
 

 

Allen got turf toe vs the Bucs on a run

allen got concussed and mercy a game on a run vs pats 

Allen broke his hand on a run vs cardinals

allen almost tore his knee on a run bs chargers where bosa wrestled him down. 

 

There's a difference between getting banged up and being injured 

 

Josh Allen is the current NFL iron Man at quarterback he does not get injured.. every single starting quarterback gets banged up throughout the season .. toughness used to be one of the Marquee traits for quarterback because you are going to be beat up

 

I have posted the NFL studies here multiple times over the years showing the correlation of quarterback injuries whether they are in the pocket or running and designed runs 

 

And there is no correlation between running quarterbacks and injuries 

 

As I said most quarterback injuries statistically happen inside the pocket and that is a fact

4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Way off topic.  NVM. 

How is that off topic 

 

You said you don't like Josh Allen going left or right on a design run 

 

I said I do

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo716

[3rdand12]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

Is it going to get him hurt? It certainly hasn't so far. Allen is the most durable QB in the NFL. And QB's get injured in the pocket at much higher rates than on scrambles or designed runs.

geebus !

 shhhh

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

I don’t mind the QB Sneak/Tush Push(even though it seems to have lost its luster). I don’t mind run/pass options to the outside. 
 

I do mind student body left/right.  Sending Allen into traffic for 3 yard gains is going to get him hurt.  Just stop it already Brady.   

 

yeah, and on like the 2nd or 3rd drive of the game.  not sure why we did that.  

[saundena]

I don't like this either.  Especially not on the 1st play of the game.  

 

The problem is that Josh has said that he likes contact to open a game, so I think the coaches put this into their basket of tricks to get Josh going.  I think we have to live with it.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

There's a difference between getting banged up and being injured 

 

Josh Allen is the current NFL iron Man at quarterback he does not get injured.. every single starting quarterback gets banged up throughout the season .. toughness used to be one of the Marquee traits for quarterback because you are going to be beat up

 

I have posted the NFL studies here multiple times over the years showing the correlation of quarterback injuries whether they are in the pocket or running and designed runs 

 

And there is no correlation between running quarterbacks and injuries 

 

As I said most quarterback injuries statistically happen inside the pocket and that is a fact

How is that off topic 

 

You said you don't like Josh Allen going left or right on a design run 

 

I said I do

Your data shows there is no more chance of getting hurt while running vs handing it off.  Please share

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Oops. Brain cramp. Sucks getting old. Thx. 

Did you even read my post?  Not questioning designed runs. I’m questioning the particular design of ONE such run. 3 yards and a cloud of dust to the left or right. 
 

 

It opens up the playbook more. Knowing that their D line will have to be able to shift quick and get off blocks to make a tackle. Otherwise Allen is off to the races.