GunnerBill Posted September 7 Posted September 7 10 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: If Caleb routinely skips film study and prep sessions and turns and walks back onto the field while his coach is instructing him during games, there may not be a lot of help from “other perspectives.” That can all be true and other dysfunction be more of a reason the Bears sucked last year. But his intention from the off in this article is clear - Poles screwed the pooch on Williams and everything thereafter is on the two of them. Shane Waldron is clearly one of the heavily relied on sources and he has a reputation to rehabilitate. I think Caleb was a diva last year. And his issues were a problem with the Bears. But one among many. The organisation was a disaster top to bottom. I think it still is to be honest. They are hoping a bit like McDermott did here that hiring Ben Johnson just straightens stuff out. Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 8 Posted September 8 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: That can all be true and other dysfunction be more of a reason the Bears sucked last year. But his intention from the off in this article is clear - Poles screwed the pooch on Williams and everything thereafter is on the two of them. Shane Waldron is clearly one of the heavily relied on sources and he has a reputation to rehabilitate. I think Caleb was a diva last year. And his issues were a problem with the Bears. But one among many. The organisation was a disaster top to bottom. I think it still is to be honest. They are hoping a bit like McDermott did here that hiring Ben Johnson just straightens stuff out. Well, Dunne put out Part 3 today and that’s basically his exact conclusion - that the problems really start and stop at Halas Hall. Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Welp, Dunne is looking about as accurate about Williams as he was about McDermott and Aaron Rodgers. 1 1 2 Quote
FireChans Posted September 9 Posted September 9 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Welp, Dunne is looking about as accurate about Williams as he was about McDermott and Aaron Rodgers. Caleb to Shane Waldron after the game Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 9 Posted September 9 12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Welp, Dunne is looking about as accurate about Williams as he was about McDermott and Aaron Rodgers. Agreed. Caleb looks good. Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: Agreed. Caleb looks good. He really does. There are short answers on every play for him, and he’s taking them. The false start killed the last drive but that wasn’t his fault. 1 Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 9 Posted September 9 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Agreed. Caleb looks good. PS: In that Athletic piece, Alex Smith talks about his first OC in SF forcing him to play under center every play and avoiding runningdespite his strengths in the shotgun and his running ability. He doesn’t name names, but that OC was Mike McCarthy, who Dunne accused Rodgers of undermining. I was very underwhelmed with McCarthy in Dallas with a great roster, so that factors into my evaluation of what Dunne does. He seems to rely to a significant extent (not entirely) on malcontents to drive his narrative about whichever subject is the focus of his deep dive. 1 Quote
Simon Posted September 9 Posted September 9 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: but that OC was Mike McCarthy, who Dunne accused Rodgers of undermining. I was very underwhelmed with McCarthy in Dallas with a great roster, He should have been out of the league 10 years ago, never to return. His self-important stupidity wasted a startling number of great players' years. 2 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Meanwhile McCarthy looks deer-in-headlights and is still only able to throw heaters. Quote
Simon Posted September 9 Posted September 9 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Agreed. Caleb looks good. They've probably been scripting and practicing those first couple series for the last 2-3 weeks. I'm more curious how he handles it when things get real. 1 1 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 9 Posted September 9 9 hours ago, Simon said: They've probably been scripting and practicing those first couple series for the last 2-3 weeks. I'm more curious how he handles it when things get real. Update: you were spot on and he did not handle it well when it got real. Both QBs flashed at times but have long ways to go. The NFC North is a really interesting division this year. 2 1 Quote
balln Posted September 9 Posted September 9 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Update: you were spot on and he did not handle it well when it got real. Both QBs flashed at times but have long ways to go. The NFC North is a really interesting division this year. Thinks it’s gonna be Green Bay in a runaway. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/7/2025 at 10:41 PM, Coach Tuesday said: Well, Dunne put out Part 3 today and that’s basically his exact conclusion - that the problems really start and stop at Halas Hall. That's the same conclusion for every team tho. We lived it here for a long time too. It all starts and ends at the owner level. If that isnt on track then the FO and team will never be. I know Bears fans are hoping the McCaskeys sell now that Virginia passed. It's their only hope. Quote
dcinmuncie Posted September 9 Posted September 9 i like Dunne. professional hit piece writer. he was one of the people responsible for turning around the disaster that was 2023. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/6/2025 at 7:44 AM, finn said: What a yapper. All that air time and says nothing that couldn't be said in three sentences. So many of these commentators talk while they're still figuring out what to say. Why not pause, gather your thoughts, and speak concisely and clearly? It's like they're being paid by the word. Wawrow Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/6/2025 at 10:09 AM, cwater10 said: Agree 100%. Tyler Dunne is purely axe grinding, agenda driven "journalism". Quotation marks around journalism as when you think about it, and it really doesn't take much more that a cursory look at his drivel, to understand that it is really not journalism at all. What his work comes off as is some kind of petty, mean spirited spite. Who knows what Caleb did to offend Ty, but this is hardly a surprising look for Dunne. Yep. Only seeking out the most biased opinions. "I sought out multiple sources for this article" ..... and then land exclusively on all fired guys, who have never done anything in the league. Im not a Caleb Williams guy (he is a punk) but this story was written before he talked to anyone. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/6/2025 at 9:00 PM, Beck Water said: Bleacher Nation has an article on the Ty Dunne article https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2025/09/05/tyler-dunne-caleb-williams/ Where have we seen something that "reads like a hit piece" before? The author of the BN piece suggests this as alternative viewpoint: https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2025/09/05/caleb-williams-post-0905/ You're spot on with the first part. But I think you have cause and effect mixed up. When Ty Dunne was let go from Bleacher Report, he decided he wanted to try to make a living at writing long articles modern journalism doesn't have much time for. But it turns out, writing long, balanced and fair articles doesn't attract a lot of readership. Dunne discovered if he can slant his articles with a controversial take, well, that brings him more subscriptions and more money. So he abandoned traditional journalism for muckracking. Apparently, it works. Yep. Seek to reach one fan base at a time with these impossible to ignore accusations at a time. Its actually a good business model, albeit a s**** exploitive one. I think the more embarrassing part is a Bears channel having him on without doing their research into what he is. Not only a garbage article to promote, but to let this dude try and trick their fanbase into paying for this. Boiling pot of excrement, they should know better, if they did homework on the dude. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/7/2025 at 12:59 AM, Mikie2times said: How many unnecessarily glowing pieces have been written about Caleb Williams? The same for McD or anybody else in his cross hairs. The balance is the complete saturation of positive news angles for most of the people he is writing about. Not that Caleb hasn't had some critical pieces, especially of late, as has McD. But take his "hit piece" on McD. People actually DO feel that way about him. That is the case. Other people don't feel that way about him. We read those articles all the time. The actual truth is probably somewhere between these stories. I don't believe the truth is just the the droves of news that is all but Buffalo Bill sponsored content. Somebody SHOULD be writing about the other side because it gets as closer to what is real. I can't believe either the exceptionally glowing or the exceptionally negative. Nothing is ever so black and white and the reader should understand as much. So I don't mind his content. It actually gives balance in my opinion. Nobody should be presenting the "other side" as a sole source, unless you're explicitly pointing out how the opinions are split. "Out of 34 sources a handful had this strong opinion" or "nearly all of the sources had this to say." Its lying by omission and intentionally misleading. This could've been 4 people out of 34. Or it could've been 32 of 34... but we'll never know... but you can be sure, if his opinion was the prevailing feeling of the majority of voices he heard, he certainly would've made that clear. THEN you'd have an article. Anybody defending this, sees him at holiday dinners lol Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/7/2025 at 8:54 AM, Coach Tuesday said: So you could be right and my hypothesis is if you are he will face consequences. We will see. 32 sources is 32 sources, he’s at least presenting it as real journalism (your point about peer review is a fair one, don’t know what his process is as a solo but you’d hope he vets it past colleagues in some form), some of the specific events he talks about either did or did not happen and if they didn’t, he’ll be destroyed. If they did, not sure how they can be explained away. If Caleb routinely skips film study and prep sessions and turns and walks back onto the field while his coach is instructing him during games, there may not be a lot of help from “other perspectives.” From who? The guy that runs his website (him) LOL. McD took the classy road in doing that follow up meeting with him last year. Because coach is class. Other than that. There's not a real front office that'd give him any access (which is where his Bills beef was born out of). So having no sources inside a front office, hes limited to sources grapes guys out of the league... who also get to hide behind anonymity, while clearly having something to gain by doing so (trying to clear up their reputation- again - anonymously). 1 Quote
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