A Different Vibe from McDermott

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

Did McD take this team to their first play offs in 17 yrs with Tyrod Taylor at QB and a bunch of misfit players ? There was no JA 17 one the team that year ...

 

Yes there was a little luck involved which is what this team has had absolutely none of, then having to win games with the refs against you quite possibly the NFL so the Chiefs could make a 3rd SB , certain coordinators making bad calls in the 13 second game, and such .

 

It all starts with the a good leader that has changed the culture and 1 that is in lock step with the GM to bring in players and other coaches to help lead the team to stay winners every season & IMHO that's McD & will be until he decides to leave on his terms not a bunch of arm chair week end warriors that think they know more than a man that has lived every ounce of his life for football .

 

Let's just hire Rex back how bout it ?? 

McD gets to be coach for life because he squeaked into the playoffs once almost 10 years ago and the reason he doesn't have more feathers in his cap since then is because the entire league is conspiring against him is a pretty incredible take. 

[T master]

16 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Uh, BB coached a D to stop the hottest offense in the league allowing the Giants to beat us with a backup.

Mc???? Not so much🤔🫢😉

How do you figure ? The Bills had 1 point less than the Giants in that game .

 

The Bills D was the reason why the Bills lost that first SB !! The Bills D continually allowed the Giants to stay on the field by missing tackles and not stopping the Giants offense in key situations .

 

The Bills offense scored 1 point less than the Giants and were only on the field if I remember correctly 19 minutes 27 seconds the giants had the ball for a record 40 minutes 33 seconds because the Bills D couldn't stop the Giants hapless offense when needed .

 

Alls the Bills needed was 3 minutes or less more on the field and Knorwwod.s name would have never been mentioned, I remember their RB braking through tackles keeping drives alive that the Bills should have stopped & that was their game to win and gave it away ...

[Buffalo Boy]

1 minute ago, T master said:

The Bills D was the reason why the Bills lost that first SB !!

I didn’t read past this.
We were 10 point favorites to win that SB.

Thurman was KILLING them on the ground but Kelly kept calling his own number.

Had we kept feeding the ball to Thurman the 2 to 1 disparity in time, in the Giants favor, would not have happened. But Marv got out coached.

[Avisan]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

McD gets to be coach for life because he squeaked into the playoffs once almost 10 years ago and the reason he doesn't have more feathers in his cap since then is because the entire league is conspiring against him is a pretty incredible take. 

McD gets to be "coach for life" because the Bills are an extremely good team every single season and their units often perform above their talent level.

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

McD gets to be coach for life because he squeaked into the playoffs once almost 10 years ago and the reason he doesn't have more feathers in his cap since then is because the entire league is conspiring against him is a pretty incredible take. 

 

That’s quite a leap you made there! I hope you didn’t pull anything. 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Avisan said:

McD gets to be "coach for life" because the Bills are an extremely good team every single season and their units often perform above their talent level.

Okay. Do you think that McD can go 0-10 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs and never make a SB but as long as we win the AFCE and 11+ games every regular season, he's "coach for life?" Ultimately, that's still being extremely good every year, right?

 

If so, respect that take. Disagree with it but we know where you stand.

Edited September 5 by FireChans

[Augie]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Okay. Do you think that McD can go 0-10 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs and never make a SB but as long as we win the AFCE and 11+ games every regular season, he's "coach for life?"

 

If so, respect that take. Disagree with it but we know where you stand.

 

I stand firmly behind nobody has anointed him as coach for life. 

[T master]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

McD gets to be coach for life because he squeaked into the playoffs once almost 10 years ago and the reason he doesn't have more feathers in his cap since then is because the entire league is conspiring against him is a pretty incredible take. 

Sean McDermott record with the Bills (which I know you don't care or respect) 86-45 in the regular season 7-7 in the post season for a combined 93-52 and is 1 of only 2 coaches in the league that has taken his team to the play offs in the last 7 STRAIGHT seasons .

 

I think ya'll have to much Ralph in you !! 

 

By chance do you remember how many times it took MJ to get beat by the Pistons until they finally got the rest of the team & mental make up they needed around him to win ? 3 times they lost the division but numerous games and the NFL is 1 & done a little different but as I have said I'm sticking with a winner .

 

The only way I would jump ship is if Josh himself says he's got to go because of some internal loss of confidence in his leadership but Josh is no where near what you all feel and has confidence in his coaches . 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, T master said:

Sean McDermott record with the Bills (which I know you don't care or respect) 86-45 in the regular season 7-7 in the post season for a combined 93-52 and is 1 of only 2 coaches in the league that has taken his team to the play offs in the last 7 STRAIGHT seasons .

 

I think ya'll have to much Ralph in you !! 

 

By chance do you remember how many times it took MJ to get beat by the Pistons until they finally got the rest of the team & mental make up they needed around him to win ? 3 times they lost the division but numerous games and the NFL is 1 & done a little different but as I have said I'm sticking with a winner .

 

The only way I would jump ship is if Josh himself says he's got to go because of some internal loss of confidence in his leadership but Josh is no where near what you all feel and has confidence in his coaches . 

Nah, think McDermott is a very good coach. 

 

Jordan won his first ring and beat the Pistons by 27 years old. I think if Phil Jackson lost to the Pistons 5 straight years in the playoffs while Jordan was winning MVPs, he'd probably have been fired. 

 

FYI, the Bulls fired Doug Collins after the second Pistons loss and the Bulls went on to win 6 championships. Probably the worst example to point out?

Edited September 5 by FireChans

[T master]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

I didn’t read past this.
We were 10 point favorites to win that SB.

Thurman was KILLING them on the ground but Kelly kept calling his own number.

Had we kept feeding the ball to Thurman the 2 to 1 disparity in time, in the Giants favor, would not have happened. But Marv got out coached.

So when does any of this fall on the players ??? Given your reply it's all on the coaches and NONE of it falls on the players yet you said your self in this reply "Kelly kept calling his own number" . 

 

Apparently you & I watched the same game but have a difference of opinion on it too because I distinctly remember the Bills D missing tackles that could have allowed the Bills Offense to be back on the field which is on the players not the coach because as you said Thurmon was killing them but didn't have the chance to more often because the offense wasn't on the field ...

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Nah, think McDermott is a very good coach. 

 

Jordan won his first ring and beat the Pistons by 27 years old. I think if Phil Jackson lost to the Pistons 5 straight years in the playoffs while Jordan was winning MVPs, he'd probably have been fired. 

Well at least you think McD is a good coach .

[uticaclub]

29 minutes ago, T master said:

Did McD take this team to their first play offs in 17 yrs with Tyrod Taylor at QB and a bunch of misfit players ? There was no JA 17 one the team that year ...

 

Yes there was a little luck involved which is what this team has had absolutely none of, then having to win games with the refs against you quite possibly the NFL so the Chiefs could make a 3rd SB , certain coordinators making bad calls in the 13 second game, and such .

 

It all starts with the a good leader that has changed the culture and 1 that is in lock step with the GM to bring in players and other coaches to help lead the team to stay winners every season & IMHO that's McD & will be until he decides to leave on his terms not a bunch of arm chair week end warriors that think they know more than a man that has lived every ounce of his life for football .

 

Let's just hire Rex back how bout it ?? 

Rex would have had the same results with Josh as McD did. If you look at many advanced statistics the 2017 teams wasn’t any better than the 2015 or 2016 teams; just more lucky bounces & Andy Dalton. That fumble in ATL would have been called an incomplete pass.

 

Yea, he deserves credit for being the coach when the draught ended. But this teams goal is no longer to just make the playoffs its to make the Super Bowl. If McD & Beane are just “playoff caliber” instead of “championshio caliber”, then changes needed to be made.

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, T master said:

By chance do you remember how many times it took MJ to get beat by the Pistons until they finally got the rest of the team & mental make up they needed around him to win ? 3 times they lost the division but numerous games and the NFL is 1 & done a little different but as I have said I'm sticking with a winner .

 

The only way I would jump ship is if Josh himself says he's got to go because of some internal loss of confidence in his leadership but Josh is no where near what you all feel and has confidence in his coaches . 

 

Hilarious example in this discussion considering the Bulls fired Doug Collins (who helped develop a young Jordan) and brought in Phil Jackson in order to take the next step and become Championship Caliber.

 

Thank you for proving our point.

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, T.E. said:

"We'll get it done this year as long as we allocate all our draft picks and free agency signings to the defensive line and secondary."

That's a good one but in all seriousness we needed it this year , I'll always say if Benford doesn't get hurt or we had better depth we're AFC champs and potentially SB 

[Buffalo Boy]

10 minutes ago, T master said:

Given your reply it's all on the coaches and NONE of it falls on the players yet you said your self in this reply "Kelly kept calling his own number" . 

   It is on the coach to realize that the other coach is “dirtying up” the game and trying to burn clock in order to have a chance in the second half. 
   It is also on the coach to realize that his star running back is unstoppable and that is the antidote to the above paragraph. 
   He didn’t and we lost.

   Defenses that are on the field for 30 plus minutes, in the last game of the season, are understandably gassed. These leads to less than stellar defensive outcomes in the next 10 minutes they still have to play.
 

[uticaclub]

31 minutes ago, Avisan said:

McD gets to be "coach for life" because the Bills are an extremely good team every single season and their units often perform above their talent level.

So you are admitting we have a lack of talent

[T master]

15 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Rex would have had the same results with Josh as McD did. If you look at many advanced statistics the 2017 teams wasn’t any better than the 2015 or 2016 teams; just more lucky bounces & Andy Dalton. That fumble in ATL would have been called an incomplete pass.

 

Yea, he deserves credit for being the coach when the draught ended. But this teams goal is no longer to just make the playoffs its to make the Super Bowl. If McD & Beane are just “playoff caliber” instead of “championshio caliber”, then changes needed to be made.

We will have to disagree because Rex's ego totally out weighed the team he had been given . He had a defense that was basically lights out and a D coordinator that could have if left alone taught Rex a bit about defense but Rex's ego once again tried to take that historically good defenses & change it .

 

Did & screwed the pooch all the way around ! If he would have came in and been a HC and didn't;t think he and his schemes/experience was better than those around him he would have done better for the team because he took a 4/3 defense with those types of players and tried to change it to a 3/4 and we see how that worked .

 

I believe given the same scenario McD would have saw what he had and left it alone allowing Schwartz the freedom to do what he had been because McD's ego wouldn't have gotten in the way and could plainly see success for what it was & left things alone but Rex not so much .

 

And McD took the players that Rex had and in 1 season took them to the play offs when Rex had a 15-16 record in 2 seasons with basically the same players and never sniffed the play offs so the players were there but the coaching was totally different and if I remember the Bills fans were ecstatic that Ryan was hired .

Edited September 5 by T master

[uticaclub]

1 minute ago, T master said:

We will have to disagree because Rex's ego totally out weighed the team he had been given . He had a defense that was basically lights out and a D coordinator that could have if left alone taught Rex a bit about defense but Rex's ego once again tried to take that historically good defenses & change it .

 

Did & screwed the pooch all the way around ! If he would have came in and been a HC and didn't;t think he and his schemes/experience was better than those around him he would have done better for the team because he took a 4/3 defense with those types of players and tried to change it to a 3/4 and we see how that worked .

 

I believe given the same scenario McD would have saw what he had and left it alone allowing Schwartz the freedom to do what he had been because McD's ego wouldn't have gotten in the way and could plainly see success for what it was & left things alone but Rex not so much .

 

And McD took the players that Rex had and in 1 season took them to the play offs when Rex had a 15-16 record in 2 seasons with basically the same players and never sniffed the play offs so the players were there but the coaching was totally different and if I remember the Bills fans were ecstatic that Ryan was hired .

You think McDermott wouldn’t have cleaned house and brought in his own guys? Schwartz defensive philosophies are the exact opposite of McDermott’s; but keep telling yourself that. When has a coach been hired and kept the last staffs coordinators around? 

 

The Rex teams were close to the playoffs, just needed an extra bounce or call to go our way.

[T master]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   It is on the coach to realize that the other coach is “dirtying up” the game and trying to burn clock in order to have a chance in the second half. 
   It is also on the coach to realize that his star running back is unstoppable and that is the antidote to the above paragraph. 
   He didn’t and we lost.

   Defenses that are on the field for 30 plus minutes, in the last game of the season, are understandably gassed. These leads to less than stellar defensive outcomes in the next 10 minutes they still have to play.
 

In your theory this is all well and good but I am willing to bet that if you talk to the players in most instances they will tell you that they didn't make the plays when needed and the coach can only call the plays and then sit and watch and is all on the players from that point forward ...

 

So in your thinking it was Marv's fault that Norwood missed the field goal and should have called a different play given the situation ? And the missed tackles by the players that allowed the Giants to stay on the field was also Marv's fault or that the oppositions coach made his player play better at that point and time in the game ? 

 

And to your point if the defensive players don't miss tackles and stop the other team or allow the opposition to stay on the field by doing their job then they are not as gassed and could afford their teams offense to be on the field to score more points and have a better chance at winning the game ? 

 

 

[BillsShredder83]

17 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

At what point are you making it your mission that McDermott wins a Super Bowl vs the Bills win a Super Bowl?

 

McD is absolutely trying his best. But at some point, you have to decide if that  is good enough. 

I don't disagree and im kicking it around. Just wanted to point out a super low hanging fruit that were missing on.

 

Maybe coach does it already and we don't know, very possible... but he/we would benefit from a mentor at the minimum, and an in-house consultant to help coach, coach. 

 

I truly feel the delegating thing is a weakness, and an old time coach would be ideal for this. Has the game passed by old guys like Parcells or Cowher? Likely... but we're not asking for playbook help. Managing a manager, is a force multiplier. Something i wish we were seeing/hearing from the FO

 

 

[T master]

10 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

You think McDermott wouldn’t have cleaned house and brought in his own guys? Schwartz defensive philosophies are the exact opposite of McDermott’s; but keep telling yourself that. When has a coach been hired and kept the last staffs coordinators around? 

 

The Rex teams were close to the playoffs, just needed an extra bounce or call to go our way.

Rex's win loss record in 2 seasons was 15 - 16 in a then 8-8 the first season 7-8 the second season which he was fired before the end of that season because of his screw ups if he only needed a bounce here or there I'm sure he wouldn't have been fired before the end of the season but was .

 

Doug Marone coached the Bills to a 9-7 season for goodness sake which was their first winning season in a while but decided to leave of his own decision but Rex with all of his experience couldn't take that team and continue to be better from there .