Illegal Streaming Site Streameast Taken Down

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Johnny Bravo said:

I want to steal your car.  You probably have a nicer home than I do so I feel justified.

 

tell me why I’m wrong.

 

Because he isn't stealing from you, unlike certain billionaires.

[Johnny Bravo]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Because he isn't stealing from you, unlike certain billionaires.

Which billionaire is “stealing” from you?

 

And by stealing, I don’t mean some new made up definition of stealing like charging more than you think you should pay.  Which billionaire is taking what is legally yours and giving you nothing in return?

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Johnny Bravo said:

Which billionaire is “stealing” from you?

 

And by stealing, I don’t mean some new made up definition of stealing like charging more than you think you should pay.  Which billionaire is taking what is legally yours and giving you nothing in return?

 

You are oblivious to how you and most of us are being taken advantage of.

[behind a post WMS69]

18 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Right, and I could have more sympathy if they weren't so outwardly gouging us. 

 

Like if you just bought Sunday Ticket and got all the games instead of having to have like 8 different apps to actually be able to watch all your teams games or even just the ones you want, I could probably get there. 

 

But what they're doing, charging the amounts they are and on top of it making it this complicated, I fully support the piracy sites. 

I moved to Panama this year and had planned to buy sunday ticket, you're telling me I still won't get to see all the Bills games?

Excuse my ignorance,  in Buffalo I just used OTA antenna. 

[Metal Man]

3 minutes ago, behind a post WMS69 said:

I moved to Panama this year and had planned to buy sunday ticket, you're telling me I still won't get to see all the Bills games?

Excuse my ignorance,  in Buffalo I just used OTA antenna. 

 

You will only get the Bills games that are on Sundays in the 1 or 4 time slots.

 

Sunday night football, monday night football, thursday night football, and any of the exclusive games the NFL sells to other streaming apps aren't included with the sunday ticket package.

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

29 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

I want to steal your car.  You probably have a nicer home than I do so I feel justified.

 

tell me why I’m wrong.

FYI, you'll have to put gas in it. 

[Beach]

I pay to use the internet, the internet offers Bills games, I really don't care about the details.

[YattaOkasan]

11 hours ago, Chaos said:

You are absolutely correct that stealing is stealing and stealing is ethically and morally wrong. In this case, no one's children are starving because they did not get to watch their favorite sporting event. There is no moral ambiguity here. Rationalizers pretend they are justifying things, but they are confused or not honest with themselves.

Stealing is not necessarily morally wrong.  Moral are internal to self.  So I could feel something is moral to steal (maybe it was stolen from me originally or something else was stolen, literally the case many posters are making here).  So there is 100% moral ambiguity because morals are internal and we are not hive minded or robots.  You seem to be on the side of Jafar and the Sheriff of Nottingham against Aladdin and Robinhood who both believed it was morally ok to steal to feed hungry children even though it was ethically wrong.  My rationalizations are my morals we all have them.  we differ and thats fine but i am not confused about what im doing and am very honest with myself that its ok.  

1 hour ago, Johnny Bravo said:

I want to steal your car.  You probably have a nicer home than I do so I feel justified.

 

tell me why I’m wrong.

Morally I cant tell you youre wrong thats for you to live with.  Ethically you are wrong for taking a car while I am not for watching a stream posted publicly.  

[Johnny Bravo]

6 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Stealing is not necessarily morally wrong.  Moral are internal to self.  So I could feel something is moral to steal (maybe it was stolen from me originally or something else was stolen, literally the case many posters are making here).  So there is 100% moral ambiguity because morals are internal and we are not hive minded or robots.  You seem to be on the side of Jafar and the Sheriff of Nottingham against Aladdin and Robinhood who both believed it was morally ok to steal to feed hungry children even though it was ethically wrong.  My rationalizations are my morals we all have them.  we differ and thats fine but i am not confused about what im doing and am very honest with myself that its ok.  

Morally I cant tell you youre wrong thats for you to live with.  Ethically you are wrong for taking a car while I am not for watching a stream posted publicly.  

If your moral framework can’t say that I’d be wrong to steal his car then your moral compass is off. 

[Johnny Bravo]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You are oblivious to how you and most of us are being taken advantage of.

And you didn’t answer the question.  
 

Notice the shift in your language.  You went  from “stealing” to “taking advantage” with just the slightest pushback.  And since watching NFL games is a luxury and 100% voluntary you aren’t even being taken advantage of.

 

All the so-called moral arguments for watching illegal streams hinge on redefining words like theft, steal, exploit, etc from their universally understood and condemned meanings to something else that they have never meant.

[YattaOkasan]

12 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

If your moral framework can’t say that I’d be wrong to steal his car then your moral compass is off. 

Mine says I wouldnt do it given your lite on details hypothetical.  If he stole it from me first I would feel justified.   But doesnt matter what my moral compass says in this hypothetical as its internal to you.  

7 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

And you didn’t answer the question.  
 

Notice the shift in your language.  You went  from “stealing” to “taking advantage” with just the slightest pushback.  And since watching NFL games is a luxury and 100% voluntary you aren’t even being taken advantage of.

 

All the so-called moral arguments for watching illegal streams hinge on redefining words like theft, steal, exploit, etc from their universally understood and condemned meanings to something else that they have never meant.

Stop trying to tell people what their morals should be.  You are moral crusading as you said you didnt want to.  You think watching illegally distributed copyright material shouldn't be ethical which has pretty obvious concerns.  

Edited September 4 by YattaOkasan

[QCity]

Man these threads bring out the weirdos.

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

 

$150 is fair.   $200 max.

 

 

 

I think there's always going to be a percentage of fans that bootleg games. But ESPN supposedly wanted to sell it for $70. I would wager that you probably also had to subscribe to ESPN+ and pay $70. But even at a cost of $12 per month for ESPN+ for 5 months (Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan) at $12 a month that comes out to $60. So at worst it would have been under that model 70-130 dollars. Which would probably get the majority of people streaming illegally to just pay for a higher end stream and call it a day. I think around 150-200 you would still convert a lot of those people. 

 

Piracy is a response that the market has to inaccessibility and unaffordability. That doesn't make it right but when companies choose to make their product more expensive and less accessible I don't blame the backlash on that on consumers.

[Wolfgang]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

If your moral framework can’t say that I’d be wrong to steal his car then your moral compass is off. 

 

 

The problem not being addressed is that the NFL has left all of their garage doors open and every car has the keys left in the ignition...

 

While people argue about morality, nothing really changes...

 

The onus is on the NFL to defend a very expensive service that they continue to cannibalize...

 

They could easily partner with YouTube for their copyright protection system...

 

And work deals out with the providers of web browsers where there is a proper chain of custody for licensed material...

 

Embedded code to support the blocking of unlicensed content...

 

The NFL has done very little to defend their content...

 

The real question is, why?

 

What do the advertisers think about the NFL's lack of effectiveness in protecting their content?

 

[Johnny Bravo]

31 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Mine says I wouldnt do it given your lite on details hypothetical.  If he stole it from me first I would feel justified.   But doesnt matter what my moral compass says in this hypothetical as its internal to you.  

Stop trying to tell people what their morals should be.  You are moral crusading as you said you didnt want to.  You think watching shouldn't be ethical which has pretty obvious concerns.  

Im not moralizing, I’m trying to be precise in our language.

 

It is not making a moral statement to say that we should all use words with their universally understood meanings.

 

People are co-opting words like steal, etc and using them in ways that are way different than in the ways we would all agree are wrong.

[Augie]

People want to make excuses and fancy arguments. Stealing is stealing. You know right from wrong, no matter how good youn are at justifying what you would prefer. 

[WotAGuy]

35 minutes ago, QCity said:

Man these threads bring out the weirdos.

Yeah, when I posted the topic I knew it would be like setting fire to a bag of poop on everyone’s doorstep!  It’s interesting reading people’s views though. 

[Psautcsk]

1 hour ago, Beach said:

I pay to use the internet, the internet offers Bills games, I really don't care about the details.

Exactly!

[YattaOkasan]

1 minute ago, Johnny Bravo said:

Im not moralizing, I’m trying to be precise in our language.

 

It is not making a moral statement to say that we should all use words with their universally understood meanings.

 

People are co-opting words like steal, etc and using them in ways that are way different than in the ways we would all agree are wrong.

You told me that my moral compass was off cause you didnt like my answer to your hypothetical.  Your crusading. 

 

Calling the watching of illegal posted streams "stealing" is super dicey though cause watching does not imply intent.  If you go to a bar and watch the game but the owner put up the game from an illegal stream then are you stealing? not in my opinion (and again not in the opinion of the law) which is why watching illegal streams is not unlawful because it would be overly broad.  

 

As to morality, each person has their own experiences, beliefs, and values that shapes what they think is right and wrong.  you can disagree, but not everyone is gonna be aligned on whats right and wrong thus the morality of something will have some subjectivity.  there are some things very commonly shared as "wrong" such as stealing for personal gain (your example), while there are others that are more subjective stealing to restore what was lost.  i think this example is more the latter than the former.  You can tell people you disagree and try to persuade them to your cause but scolding them and saying their moral compass is way off is not really appropriate imo.  

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

People want to make excuses and fancy arguments. Stealing is stealing. You know right from wrong, no matter how good youn are at justifying what you would prefer. 

So aladdin and Robinhood were in the wrong?  you sound like a villain from a disney movie.  

[Brand J]

6 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

No one is saying the streamers shouldn’t be prosecuted.

Thats where I’m at with this. Don’t get upset at the person watching the illegal stream, that energy should be directed towards the entity that makes it available. Similarly, don’t get upset at the OnlyFans girl making $40M+/yr, as she shows off her extravagant house and cars. That energy should be directed towards the people (mostly horny men) who make her way of life possible.