Game week thread - Ravens at Bills SNF

[FranchiseSavior]

4 hours ago, TheWei44 said:

Focusing on two plays, rather than the full context of the game, is short sighted and a fool's errand.  And even if you want to focus on those two plays, Allen made a friggin miraculous throw under ridiculous pressure to give us a chance.  Kudos to the Chiefs for doing something unexpected on the line on that play.  But back to my main point:  Teams win or lose games from the full body of work for the full 60 minutes.  Sure, certain plays are more important than others, but I would list at least 4-5 reasons why the Bills lost to the Chiefs last season.  C'mon man, be better!

Let me get this straight when I point out how other than 2 plays the Bills didn't have an answer for Lamar, its but but the t he 2 turnovers.  Now that we are talking about the Josh we gotta look at the whole body of work.  Do you see the irony in that?

[FranchiseSavior]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

Our Defense gives up 30+ ppg against the Chiefs in the playoffs. 
 

You’re not good at this. 
 

Just root for Lamar to stop turning the ball over in the playoffs.  That’s all he needed to do last year to beat us and he couldn’t. 

Yea we'll keep harping on the Lamar turnovers and ignore the 5 drop passes and the Andrews fumble.  Sunday will be here soon enough.  Maybe they'll have an answer for Lamar this season because they didntblast season.  

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I can totally demolish your theme in "13 seconds."

Is that the time it took to... nevermind. 

[FranchiseSavior]

3 hours ago, FLFan said:

Alexander has not practiced since August 9 and is unlikely to play.  His frequent injury status is the reason he was available.  He has not been elite in performance for quite some time.  The Ravens were counting on a bounce back by Alexander but so far it looks like they may have lost that bet.  

 

 

They actually weren't count on Alexander.  We signed Awuzie to be CB2.  They gives us Wiggins and Awuzie outside and Humphrey in the slot. Once Alexander became available it was Lamar who was Alexander's teammate at Louisville who talked him into coming.  Alexander was more of a luxury than a necessity. 

[Mikie2times]

8 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Very rarely see McD "break character " in front of the media, he knew he was losing control and stopped talking but I love it . We're SB bound, not easy at all but i believe in the talent, culture and leadership 

 

Feel like he's very different,  in a good way, behind closed doors versus what he shows the media

 

As much as I give him crap that I don't think he can do it, it would be even better if he is the one. He's earned it no doubt, but so have all of us after all that's happened. 

[newcam2012]

58 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

They actually weren't count on Alexander.  We signed Awuzie to be CB2.  They gives us Wiggins and Awuzie outside and Humphrey in the slot. Once Alexander became available it was Lamar who was Alexander's teammate at Louisville who talked him into coming.  Alexander was more of a luxury than a necessity. 

Your CB2 position was dicey early last season but played pretty well at the end of the season. Let's see if that position gets stronger. 

 

I'd be pretty frustrated if I were a Raven fan. You arguably had the best roster 2 years and counting. Lost a stinker at home vs KC and lost to Buffalo by playing sloppy. I think the Ravens were the better team. Not sure what it's gonna take for the Ravens not to choke again. 

[FranchiseSavior]

37 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Your CB2 position was dicey early last season but played pretty well at the end of the season. Let's see if that position gets stronger. 

 

I'd be pretty frustrated if I were a Raven fan. You arguably had the best roster 2 years and counting. Lost a stinker at home vs KC and lost to Buffalo by playing sloppy. I think the Ravens were the better team. Not sure what it's gonna take for the Ravens not to choke again. 

You clearly didn't watch much Ravens football.  Our CB2 gave up the biggest play yall had on offense in the playoff game.  Stephens was awful and teams had started to target him.  He didntn0lay well at any point last season.  After the switch at Safety he was the weakest link on the entire defense. 

 

People don't understand how truly difficult it is to win a Championship.   The best teams don't always win especially in a winner take all format.  I get frustrated yes but if you scan out and look at the big picture.  I understand that there is a certain amount of luck that is involved in winning  and losing these game.  I cam be happy knowing that every year we are going to have a good shot at winning it all.  I also understand that there is a process that you have to go through to get t9 the mountain top.  

 

I do believe this is the year.  On paper we have know real weakness.  Last season there was a lot of turnover (pun intended) on the defensive coaching staff. We lost 3 coaches to HC/DC positions.  We tragically lost out OL coach a couple weeks before the start of the season and we had a rookie DC.  Pass defense was dead last in the league for a good portion of the season and it sounds like we had some lockerroom issues.  This season everyone the tenor around the team is of a team that understands that they can't beat themselves.

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

The difference between Lamar and Mahomes and to a lesser extent Allen is when Lamar makes a mistake the defense isn't getting him the ball back.  Josh can play like complete cheeks and be giving an opportunity to win the game.  Lamar was given that very opportunity and marched his team down the field scored the TD hit the TE in his belly and the TE dropped the ball.  The silly thing is Josh severely underthrows the TE.   The TE makes a heck of a play to get back to the ball an attempt to save his QB and its somehow the TEs fault they lost the game however Lamar hits his TE in the stomach and the narrative is Lamar couldn't get it done.  

You just happen to apply the degree of difficulty to the catches but not the actual passes.  
 

Lamar had a routine play, but he double clutched and it threw off the timings. Andrews should have caught it- definitely. But Lamar didn’t execute perfectly.  

 

Josh made an otherworldly throw that, imo, no other QB could make.  He hit his TE in both hands. Given the circumstances.  Josh did a much better job on their respective plays than Lamar did.

 

I thought the degree of difficulty on Josh’s pass was close to one in a million.  And my boy dropped it.  😞 😢 😭 

Edited Wednesday at 05:02 AM by NewEra

[MJS]

8 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

The difference between Lamar and Mahomes and to a lesser extent Allen is when Lamar makes a mistake the defense isn't getting him the ball back.  Josh can play like complete cheeks and be giving an opportunity to win the game.  Lamar was given that very opportunity and marched his team down the field scored the TD hit the TE in his belly and the TE dropped the ball.  The silly thing is Josh severely underthrows the TE.   The TE makes a heck of a play to get back to the ball an attempt to save his QB and its somehow the TEs fault they lost the game however Lamar hits his TE in the stomach and the narrative is Lamar couldn't get it done.  

Lamar Jackson has a much bigger body of work in the playoffs than just that game. He doesn't rise to the moment, in my opinion. He saves his worst ball for the postseason. He has a 3-5 record, with 1,753 passing yards, 10 touchdowns, and 7 interceptions, with an 84.6 passer rating (plus 6 lost fumbles). That's not good enough.

 

Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes play their best ball in the postseason.

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

You just happen to apply the degree of difficulty to the catches but not the actual passes.  
 

Lamar had a routine play, but he double clutched and it threw off the timings. Andrews should have caught it- definitely. But Lamar didn’t execute perfectly.  

 

Josh made an otherworldly throw that, imo, no other QB could make.  He hit his TE in both hands. Given the circumstances.  Just did a much better job on that play than Lamar did.

 

I thought the degree of difficulty on Josh’s pass was close to one in a million.  And my boy dropped it.  😞 😢 😭 

And even if the Ravens would have scored, there was plenty of time for the Bills to go win it after that. A lot of people seem to forget that.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Let me get this straight when I point out how other than 2 plays the Bills didn't have an answer for Lamar, its but but the t he 2 turnovers.  Now that we are talking about the Josh we gotta look at the whole body of work.  Do you see the irony in that?

 

Congrats @Billl. You're no longer the biggest homer on this board.

[NewEra]

45 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

 

 

People don't understand how truly difficult it is to win a Championship.   The best teams don't always win especially in a winner take all format.  I get frustrated yes but if you scan out and look at the big picture.  I understand that there is a certain amount of luck that is involved in winning  and losing these game.  I can be happy knowing that every year we are going to have a good shot at winning it all.  I also understand that there is a process that you have to go through to get t9 the mountain top.  

 

You’re on a Bills message board.  There isn’t a fan base that understands this more than us.  
 

Lamar is an absolute superstar….but the narrative will remain until he proves them wrong.  Josh’s narrative is different because everyone has seen him be the best player on earth on the biggest stage.  Just do it Lamar.  I think he’s capable and I believe he will get you guys another Lombardi before he’s done.   He just has to do it and you (as fans) shouldn’t dwell on these narratives.  Get over it-  win a Super Bowl.  Yes-  I know it’s hard.  No one cares

Edited Wednesday at 04:44 AM by NewEra

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, MJS said:

Lamar Jackson has a much bigger body of work in the playoffs than just that game. He doesn't rise to the moment, in my opinion. He saves his worst ball for the postseason. He has a 3-5 record, with 1,753 passing yards, 10 touchdowns, and 7 interceptions, with an 84.6 passer rating (plus 6 lost fumbles). That's not good enough.

 

Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes play their best ball in the postseason.

And even if the Ravens would have scored, there was plenty of time for the Bills to go win it after that. A lot of people seem to forget that.

Meanwhile, the good guy has 23 TDs to 4 ints. Best TD-INT ration in nfl history.  Passer rating of 101+

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:43 AM by NewEra

[newcam2012]

38 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You just happen to apply the degree of difficulty to the catches but not the actual passes.  
 

Lamar had a routine play, but he double clutched and it threw off the timings. Andrews should have caught it- definitely. But Lamar didn’t execute perfectly.  

 

Josh made an otherworldly throw that, imo, no other QB could make.  He hit his TE in both hands. Given the circumstances.  Just did a much better job on that play than Lamar did.

 

I thought the degree of difficulty on Josh’s pass was close to one in a million.  And my boy dropped it.  😞 😢 😭 

If that pass was caught (should have been) it would have gone down in the history books as one of the best passes ever under the circumstances. It was a phenomenal pass by Allen 

[MikePJ76]

1 hour ago, FranchiseSavior said:

 

I do believe this is the year.  On paper we have know real weakness.  

Sure sounds like you are here arguing with Bills fans to try and convince yourself of this. 

But what do I Know?  

congrats on going 17-0 and winning the Super Bowl already.  
 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

If that pass was caught (should have been) it would have gone down in the history books as one of the best passes ever under the circumstances. It was a phenomenal pass by Allen 

It should have never been needed.  They had the perfect play call on the screen to cooper and he slipped and ruined the play.  He should have been off to the races down the sideline instead he slipped and essentially ended the season.

 

a damn third round pick.

[finn]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Josh made an otherworldly throw that, imo, no other QB could make.  He hit his TE in both hands. Given the circumstances.  Josh did a much better job on their respective plays than Lamar did.

 

I thought the degree of difficulty on Josh’s pass was close to one in a million.  And my boy dropped it.  😞 😢 😭 

I agree, but aside from this board, I haven't seen or heard anyone recognize just how incredible that throw was. Allen also made a less impossible but still jaw-dropping throw against the Jets a few years ago in the face of a fierce rush, with a damaged elbow and the game on the line, hitting Gabe Davis in the chest in stride 60 yards downfield. Yet, because Davis dropped it (see emojis in OP), that throw, which might have been recognized as one of the best in the history of football had Davis not choked, has been wiped from collective memory. 

 

My point is not that his teammates suck or that other players don't make incredible plays that don't count, but rather that these plays should count--in the sense that we (fans, commentators, the league) should celebrate them instead of dismissing and forgetting them. Not to the degree of "legitimate" plays, of course, but  more than they do now. For god's sake, how many one in a million plays--literally--does an average fan see in their lifetime? Let's geek out and enjoy it!

 

Same goes with extraordinary game-long performances that get wiped from the memory banks because the player's team lost. Exhibit A: Allen's performance in the 13-second game. Had the Bills won, it would have been rightly considered one of the best playoff games by a QB in league history, along with Allen's previous "perfect" game against the Patriots. But because they lost that second game, both games are either forgotten or shrugged off. 

 

I get it: Just win, baby and enjoy the (disproportionate) glory. Still, I'd love to see a compilation reel of the best plays that didn't count for whatever reason. That evidence, besides being very entertaining, might change some minds about who the best players really are. 

Edited Wednesday at 10:56 AM by finn

[TheWei44]

10 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Let me get this straight when I point out how other than 2 plays the Bills didn't have an answer for Lamar, its but but the t he 2 turnovers.  Now that we are talking about the Josh we gotta look at the whole body of work.  Do you see the irony in that?

Sounds like reading comprehension is not your strong suit - All good, my friend.  Have a nice day.

[FranchiseSavior]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

You just happen to apply the degree of difficulty to the catches but not the actual passes.  
 

Lamar had a routine play, but he double clutched and it threw off the timings. Andrews should have caught it- definitely. But Lamar didn’t execute perfectly.  

 

Josh made an otherworldly throw that, imo, no other QB could make.  He hit his TE in both hands. Given the circumstances.  Josh did a much better job on their respective plays than Lamar did.

 

I thought the degree of difficulty on Josh’s pass was close to one in a million.  And my boy dropped it.  😞 😢 😭 

The degree of difficult.  The ball hit Andrews un the stomach.  He couldn't have walked the ball to Andrews any more perfectly.  But yet your TE makes an amazing attempt to come back to an underthrown ball and its somehow Josh is the hero here and the TE who was coming back to the ball trying to make Josh look good is the goat?  Meanwhile Lamar puts the ball in the TEs stomach.  He didn't have to come back to the ball, he didn't have to het around a defender.  He didnt have to stretch even a centimeter to catch the ball and its the QBs fault.  Come on bro.  This is ludicrous.  

 

Lamar didn't execute perfectly but Josh is somehow hailed for underthrowing a pass.  Cool Beans!!!!!

[FranchiseSavior]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

Lamar Jackson has a much bigger body of work in the playoffs than just that game. He doesn't rise to the moment, in my opinion. He saves his worst ball for the postseason. He has a 3-5 record, with 1,753 passing yards, 10 touchdowns, and 7 interceptions, with an 84.6 passer rating (plus 6 lost fumbles). That's not good enough.

 

Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes play their best ball in the postseason.

And even if the Ravens would have scored, there was plenty of time for the Bills to go win it after that. A lot of people seem to forget that.

He didn't play his best ball earlier on, however the last 2 playoff performances have been stellar.

 

 

There is no guarantee that the Bills would have marched down the field.  What we do know if Andrws catches it the score is all tied. The Ravens have all the momentum and it was anyone's game at that point.  Josh was not having a great game up until that point.

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

The degree of difficult.  The ball hit Andrews un the stomach.  He couldn't have walked the ball to Andrews any more perfectly.  But yet your TE makes an amazing attempt to come back to an underthrown ball and its somehow Josh is the hero here and the TE who was coming back to the ball trying to make Josh look good is the goat?  Meanwhile Lamar puts the ball in the TEs stomach.  He didn't have to come back to the ball, he didn't have to het around a defender.  He didnt have to stretch even a centimeter to catch the ball and its the QBs fault.  Come on bro.  This is ludicrous.  

 

Lamar didn't execute perfectly but Josh is somehow hailed for underthrowing a pass.  Cool Beans!!!!!

Lamar doesn't get that throw off. Nobody in the NFL gets that throw off. Not even Allen 9 times out of 10. It looked like he was just throwing a desperation pass because he had defenders literally draping off him. Turns out he hit his receiver in the hands 30 yards downfield. It would be considered an all time play in postseason history if the Bills go on to win that game.  

 

The 2 pointer was a routine play and not perfectly thrown, he should have caught it.

 

What are we talking about here? These two plays couldn't be more different. 

[FranchiseSavior]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

You’re on a Bills message board.  There isn’t a fan base that understands this more than us.  
 

Lamar is an absolute superstar….but the narrative will remain until he proves them wrong.  Josh’s narrative is different because everyone has seen him be the best player on earth on the biggest stage.  Just do it Lamar.  I think he’s capable and I believe he will get you guys another Lombardi before he’s done.   He just has to do it and you (as fans) shouldn’t dwell on these narratives.  Get over it-  win a Super Bowl.  Yes-  I know it’s hard.  No one cares

I don't believe the narrative.  He has to and will win it. I think he sometimes get a bad rap.  He has come a long way from those 1st two playoff runs.  We sit here and say Josh has been the best player and he and Lamar has the same amount of SB wins.  The narrative is what it is because Lamar has to win it but Josh's narrative is different because he was the best player in some people's eyes. Even though he's yet to win it all either. I have a feeling that even if Lamar wins it all they'll be folks saying he had too much help.  

[TheBeaneBandit]

What time is the official injury report due today?