ChiGoose Posted August 21 Posted August 21 4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: So the numbers you quoted aren't accurate? Shocked I tell you. We don’t have hard numbers at this time, but you can make an estimate from what is known. Reporting from previous deployments estimate the cost at $530 per soldier per day. This is line with previous statements from the DC National Guard estimating the cost of deploying 5,000 troops per day at $2.65 million. While there weren’t 5,000 DC National Guard troops deployed, hundreds have been deployed. Additionally, hundreds of soldiers from the national guards of several states have been sent in (which are probably more expensive given travel and housing requirements). I’ve seen estimates as high at ~2,000 national guard troops activated, but even if you want to say it’s half that, it would be half a million dollars per day, or $180 million per year to sustain this deployment. And that doesn’t factor in the costs of other federal agents (ICE, HSI, FBI, etc) who have been reassigned to assist. 6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Reports suggest that crime, including recent crime waves, in Washington D.C. carries a significant financial burden for taxpayers, although pinpointing an exact, agreed-upon figure is challenging due to various methodologies and factors considered. Here's a breakdown of the estimated costs: Overall crime costs: The aggregate cost of crime in D.C. is estimated to be $3.2 billion annually, according to the House Budget Committee. Crime costs tax payers? What? So you’re raising you hand saying you’ll help pay for hundreds of millions of dollars per year to support permanent national guard deployment in DC?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 21 Posted August 21 Just now, ChiGoose said: We don’t have hard numbers at this time, but you can make an estimate from what is known. Reporting from previous deployments estimate the cost at $530 per soldier per day. This is line with previous statements from the DC National Guard estimating the cost of deploying 5,000 troops per day at $2.65 million. While there weren’t 5,000 DC National Guard troops deployed, hundreds have been deployed. Additionally, hundreds of soldiers from the national guards of several states have been sent in (which are probably more expensive given travel and housing requirements). I’ve seen estimates as high at ~2,000 national guard troops activated, but even if you want to say it’s half that, it would be half a million dollars per day, or $180 million per year to sustain this deployment. And that doesn’t factor in the costs of other federal agents (ICE, HSI, FBI, etc) who have been reassigned to assist. Is it less than the 3.2 billion it costs tax payers in crime committed in dc annually?
JFKjr Posted August 21 Posted August 21 3 hours ago, ChiGoose said: We don’t have hard numbers at this time, but you can make an estimate from what is known. Reporting from previous deployments estimate the cost at $530 per soldier per day. This is line with previous statements from the DC National Guard estimating the cost of deploying 5,000 troops per day at $2.65 million. While there weren’t 5,000 DC National Guard troops deployed, hundreds have been deployed. Additionally, hundreds of soldiers from the national guards of several states have been sent in (which are probably more expensive given travel and housing requirements). I’ve seen estimates as high at ~2,000 national guard troops activated, but even if you want to say it’s half that, it would be half a million dollars per day, or $180 million per year to sustain this deployment. And that doesn’t factor in the costs of other federal agents (ICE, HSI, FBI, etc) who have been reassigned to assist. So you’re raising you hand saying you’ll help pay for hundreds of millions of dollars per year to support permanent national guard deployment in DC? They can funnel it over from USAID. (Annual budge: $40 billion.) Win/win!
Wacka Posted August 22 Posted August 22 5 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: WHAT THE ***** IS YOUR PLAN? ChiGoose: Blame Trump!
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) 9 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Ask the King why DC mayor Bowser declined the NG, pre approved by Trump, specifically and in writing prior to J6..... He's great at hand waving BS. So wait. Trump can unilaterally send ng troops to dc for this but he was powerless on Jan 6? He doesn’t care about the mayor’s position now. Edited August 22 by Joe Ferguson forever
reddogblitz Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 hour ago, B-Man said: This is great! Will be interesting to see what happens when they leave in 3 weeks. I suspect criminal are laying low for a month and when the troops leave they will get back to bidness. We'll see.
unbillievable Posted August 22 Posted August 22 5 hours ago, B-Man said: Robberies down %83? How will the kids get their shoes for the new school year? 1
gobills404 Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) 21 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: divide and conquer...Miller is a pos. old against young, liberal against conservative (which has always been the case but has greatly escalated purposefully). Just more deception, deflection and culture war battles. The fabric of America is being torn and the maga's are pleased. Oh look. The snakes who have spent the last decade cursing, shunning, and threatening the livelihood of anyone who disagrees with them all of a sudden care about national unity now that the gloves are off. What a surprise. Edited August 22 by gobills404 1 1
ChiGoose Posted August 22 Posted August 22 7 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: So wait. Trump can unilaterally send ng troops to dc for this but he was powerless on Jan 6? He doesn’t care about the mayor’s position now. They really don’t think things through, do they? 1
Wolfgang Posted August 22 Posted August 22 20 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: They really don’t think things through, do they?
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 22 Posted August 22 7 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: So wait. Trump can unilaterally send ng troops to dc for this but he was powerless on Jan 6? He doesn’t care about the mayor’s position now. You're smart and I expect you know the rules. Congress has clear control and accountability of the Capitol. Specifically the office of the Speaker of the House. The chain of command there is responsible for making the call to deploy the national guard. They declined to deploy despite numerous requests from CP command on the ground that day. There is no legal standing, unlike for the District where law provides a specific legal clause for the President in this case, for the President as head of the executive branch to supersede or overrule decisions exclusive to the legislature. So no, Trump had no authority to deploy the NG to the Capitol. But I'm sure you knew that already and are just taking the opportunity to yank on the chain and sneak through an apples to oranges false comparison to rally the troops. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 22 Posted August 22 17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're smart and I expect you know the rules. Congress has clear control and accountability of the Capitol. Specifically the office of the Speaker of the House. The chain of command there is responsible for making the call to deploy the national guard. They declined to deploy despite numerous requests from CP command on the ground that day. There is no legal standing, unlike for the District where law provides a specific legal clause for the President in this case, for the President as head of the executive branch to supersede or overrule decisions exclusive to the legislature. So no, Trump had no authority to deploy the NG to the Capitol. But I'm sure you knew that already and are just taking the opportunity to yank on the chain and sneak through an apples to oranges false comparison to rally the troops. from AI On January 6, 2021, the National Guard was called to assist in response to the Capitol riots after initial requests for support were made by D.C. officials. The deployment was delayed, and the Guard ultimately played a crucial role in restoring order and securing the Capitol. nationalguard.mil Library of Congress National Guard Response on January 6, 2021 Initial Deployment On January 6, 2021, the National Guard was initially called to assist with planned protests at the U.S. Capitol. 340 National Guardsmen were deployed for traffic control and logistics support. As the situation escalated into a riot, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser requested additional assistance. Reinforcement Requests At approximately 1:49 PM, Capitol Police Chief Sund requested National Guard support. By 2:22 PM, D.C. officials made a formal request for more troops. The Acting Secretary of Defense approved the deployment of 1,100 National Guard members at 4:32 PM. Arrival and Actions National Guard troops began arriving at the Capitol around 5:40 PM. Their mission was to support D.C. Metropolitan Police and secure the Capitol. By 7:15 PM, the Capitol was cleared, allowing Congress to resume its duties. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 22 Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: from AI On January 6, 2021, the National Guard was called to assist in response to the Capitol riots after initial requests for support were made by D.C. officials. The deployment was delayed, and the Guard ultimately played a crucial role in restoring order and securing the Capitol. nationalguard.mil Library of Congress National Guard Response on January 6, 2021 Initial Deployment On January 6, 2021, the National Guard was initially called to assist with planned protests at the U.S. Capitol. 340 National Guardsmen were deployed for traffic control and logistics support. As the situation escalated into a riot, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser requested additional assistance. Reinforcement Requests At approximately 1:49 PM, Capitol Police Chief Sund requested National Guard support. By 2:22 PM, D.C. officials made a formal request for more troops. The Acting Secretary of Defense approved the deployment of 1,100 National Guard members at 4:32 PM. Arrival and Actions National Guard troops began arriving at the Capitol around 5:40 PM. Their mission was to support D.C. Metropolitan Police and secure the Capitol. By 7:15 PM, the Capitol was cleared, allowing Congress to resume its duties.
Roundybout Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 hour ago, gobills404 said: Oh look. The snakes who have spent the last decade cursing, shunning, and threatening the livelihood of anyone who disagrees with them all of a sudden care about national unity now that the gloves are off. What a surprise. Just don’t cry when the pendulum swings the other way
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 22 Posted August 22 23 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're smart and I expect you know the rules. Congress has clear control and accountability of the Capitol. Specifically the office of the Speaker of the House. The chain of command there is responsible for making the call to deploy the national guard. They declined to deploy despite numerous requests from CP command on the ground that day. There is no legal standing, unlike for the District where law provides a specific legal clause for the President in this case, for the President as head of the executive branch to supersede or overrule decisions exclusive to the legislature. So no, Trump had no authority to deploy the NG to the Capitol. But I'm sure you knew that already and are just taking the opportunity to yank on the chain and sneak through an apples to oranges false comparison to rally the troops. from Politifact The U.S. president, defense secretary and U.S. Army secretary are the only people authorized to activate the District of Columbia National Guard. The House select committee on Jan. 6, after its 18-month-long investigation, concluded that official records and witness testimony showed Trump didn’t make that order Jan. 6, 2021. On the day of the Capitol attack, Paul Irving, then-House sergeant-at-arms, first asked Pelosi’s chief of staff for permission to contact the Pentagon for National Guard support at 1:40 p.m. — about 30 minutes after rioters had broken through the barricades surrounding the Capitol. A few minutes later, Pelosi approved Irving’s request. But because of delayed approval from Pentagon officials, National Guard troops didn’t arrive at the Capitol for another four hours, The New York Times reported. 3 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: how are you going to benefit from the fascists winning?
Wacka Posted August 22 Posted August 22 13 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: from AI AI: GIGO 1
Wolfgang Posted August 22 Posted August 22 26 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: from Politifact The U.S. president, defense secretary and U.S. Army secretary are the only people authorized to activate the District of Columbia National Guard. The House select committee on Jan. 6, after its 18-month-long investigation, concluded that official records and witness testimony showed Trump didn’t make that order Jan. 6, 2021. On the day of the Capitol attack, Paul Irving, then-House sergeant-at-arms, first asked Pelosi’s chief of staff for permission to contact the Pentagon for National Guard support at 1:40 p.m. — about 30 minutes after rioters had broken through the barricades surrounding the Capitol. A few minutes later, Pelosi approved Irving’s request. But because of delayed approval from Pentagon officials, National Guard troops didn’t arrive at the Capitol for another four hours, The New York Times reported. how are you going to benefit from the fascists winning? Your labels are meaningless... Your endless crying pointless... Your ideological disposition antiquated... You are ill prepared for the future... 1 2
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