WGR Discussing McD's job security

[T.E.]

1 minute ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

We need a coach who doesn't play scared against KC and Baltimore...

Everyone forgets because of the ultimate margin of victory, but he coached ultra-conservative for the first three quarters against the #7 seed Broncos.

[RoscoeParrish]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What if we DID get a stop, give the offense 4 minutes, all 3 time outs and needing a touchdown to go to the Superbowl and they stalled out at midfield?

I get the point but this is McD’s team and vision, along with Beane’s.

 

That’s THEIR offense that needed a touchdown and couldn’t get it done, after another season best KC offensive game. They basically punted on offense and went all defense this offseason.
 

If the Bills can’t score to go ahead 20-17, then sure, there’s an argument. But if they can’t score to get to 30+ because they allowed another season high point total, then you have to wonder if their philosophy is the correct use of resources that is going to result in a Lombardi in WNY.

 

Suffice it to say, Joe Burrow not being able to get to 30 to win a playoff game is a much harsher crime, as they basically went all offense so, in that situation, they can pull through. They want shootouts so they better win them.

 

We have the complete opposite philosophy, and thus our defense falling apart is a much worse failure. We want grind it out defensive games and we end up in shootouts, every, single, year.

Edited August 8 by RoscoeParrish

[uticaclub]

Nothing changes, if nothing changes.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

If I’m using the Sabres as an example? McDermott will be buried on the 50 yard line. If TPegs can’t divest himself of Adams? McD ain’t goin nowhere anytime soon 

[Big Blitz]

There is only one current head coach in the league I’d take over him and that’s McVay.  
 

No way will we waste one let alone 2 or 3 years hoping the next great “offensive mind” takes us to the SB.  

 

McD is safe barring like 2 or 3 straight years of missing the playoffs.  That’s what it would take.  
 

Love it or hate it that’s how it’s going to be.  
 

 

I was ALL IN to fire him right after 13 seconds.  That was the moment it potentially could have been done - we a had legit reason to do so.  I thought that group would never recover from that loss.  Well I was wrong they did recover from it.  
 

But I still held that loss against him up until he fired Dorsey and climbed us out of a 6-6 start to get us another division title.  
 

The job he’s done since and overall has been that of a top 3-5 coach in the league and for that I’m sure of.  There aren't 5 anywhere near better than him.  

 

McVay.   That’s the only guy I’d take over him.

 

 

FYI my HC rankings:

 

1. Reid 

2. McVay

3. Payton

4. John Harbaugh

5. McD

6. Tomlin

7. Sirianni

8. Shanny 

9. LaFleur 

10. Campbell 

[Búfalo Blanco]

7 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Everyone forgets because of the ultimate margin of victory, but he coached ultra-conservative for the first three quarters against the #7 seed Broncos.

They won, but played not to lose against Baltimore in Jan. IMO, they did the same against KC the next week.. and that's just not enough against a team of that caliber. It also gives the refs a chance to decide the game, which is never a fair outcome.

[Mikie2times]

6 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Everyone forgets because of the ultimate margin of victory, but he coached ultra-conservative for the first three quarters against the #7 seed Broncos.

We have been a lot closer to being booted in the wild card than people would like to admit. Every home game besides the Patriots we have been within a TD late in the 3rd quarter, 3 of the 4 late in the 4th quarter, half of them they had possession with a chance to win. These were not good teams, with bad QB's, at home.

[T.E.]

Just now, Búfalo Blanco said:

They won, but played not to lose against Baltimore in Jan. IMO, they did the same against KC the next week.. and that's just not enough against a team of that caliber. It also gives the refs a chance to decide the game, which is never a fair outcome.

The Baltimore game was the most egregious of the three. That had boat-race written all over it until McDermott got so freaked out about anyone possibly making a mistake that he basically tried to sit on the lead for an entire half, and they ended up needing a miracle forced fumble and dropped pass just to survive.

[GerstAusGosheim]

The man should have been fired after 13 seconds. He's wasted 4 years of Josh's prime. If he makes it 5, how could he not be gone? New stadium is the perfect time.

 

If you disagree, please make sense of these stats...

 

30 NFL Quarterbacks have won 6 or more playoff games. Josh is the only one that hasn't been to a Super Bowl.

32 NFL Coaches have won 7 or more playoff games. Sean and Chuck Knox are the only two that haven't been to a Super Bowl.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

it's kind of sad how 'hey they did get a stop that one time' is the best defense we can muster

 

How about not giving up 32 along the way

 

I don't think if the Bills give up 19 they are still scoring 30. That isn't how Bills - Chiefs games are played. They are nip and tuck and go to the wire. It is going to come down to the last 4 minutes. And then the Bills need to make the key plays.

[GerstAusGosheim]

13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

McD is safe barring like 2 or 3 straight years of missing the playoffs.  That’s what it would take.  

 

2 to 3 years of MISSING the playoffs? With the 2nd best QB in the NFL? 

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I get the point but this is McD’s team and vision, along with Beane’s.

 

That’s THEIR offense that needed a touchdown and couldn’t get it done, after another season best KC offensive game. They basically punted on offense and went all defense this offseason.
 

If the Bills can’t score to go ahead 20-17, then sure, there’s an argument. But if they can’t score to get to 30+ because they allowed another season high point total, then you have to wonder if their philosophy is the correct use of resources that is going to result in a Lombardi in WNY.

 

Suffice it to say, Joe Burrow not being able to get to 30 to win a playoff game is a much harsher crime, as they basically went all offense so, in that situation, they can pull through. They want shootouts so they better win them.

 

We have the complete opposite philosophy, and thus our defense falling apart is a much worse failure. We want grind it out defensive games and we end up in shootouts, every, single, year.

 

I agree. They should spend more resource on weapons on offense. That is entirely fair. I was on that train before it was cool. 

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree. They should spend more resource on weapons on offense. That is entirely fair. I was on that train before it was cool. 

Right, so when they basically take that strategy of ignoring the offense and focusing on the defense this offseason to nearly the maximum, and we get the same result, what is the answer?

 

Do you use all 7 draft picks on defense next year instead of throwing a 6th rounder for a PS WR because Josh couldn’t put up 30+ while the defense forced 2 punts?

 

Like I said, I love McD. I wish 13 seconds had never happened, because he wins a ring there and he is coach for life and probably a HoF coach, and history is completely different. I don’t know if something is psychologically the matter, but his mentor, Reid himself needed a new job to fix his playoff woes.

 

 

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't think if the Bills give up 19 they are still scoring 30.

Do you think we will ever see the Bills hold the Chiefs to 19 to find out?

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think if the Bills give up 19 they are still scoring 30. That isn't how Bills - Chiefs games are played. They are nip and tuck and go to the wire. It is going to come down to the last 4 minutes. And then the Bills need to make the key plays.

lol that is because it is unimaginable that we hold the chiefs to 19. it just isnt happening

 

and then how are you not comfortable being done w this guy? i mean we have literally seen us make the key plays w 13 seconds left vs the Chiefs and still manage to gag it away

 

i mean more power to you if you want to see more i guess

[MJS]

I think McDermott is one of the most underrated coaches in the NFL currently. Perhaps ever. It's amazing that fans talk about canning him all the time.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Do you think we will ever see the Bills hold the Chiefs to 19 to find out?

no

 

not only is it a guess based on a hypothetical, it's completely unrealistic to boot

1 minute ago, MJS said:

I think McDermott is one of the most underrated coaches in the NFL currently. Perhaps ever. It's amazing that fans talk about canning him all the time.

and i think there are probably 10-15 hcs in the league who could have accomplished what he has after being gifted Allen and the present day AFCE

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

and i think there are probably 10-15 hcs in the league who could have accomplished what he has after being gifted Allen and the present day AFCE

Based on what? Nothing but a biased hunch.

[kitchen sink]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

I'm not arguing with any of that.  We just seem to be on the other end of these "Calls" or random plays too much.

 

Let me ask you this.  If we got the 1 seed and lost to KC at home in the AFC championship this year, 38-35 because we couldn't get a stop, sack, or turnover.  Would you want to keep McD?  For me, I know that's a great season, but I'd be ready to try something different.  

 

Sometimes when you flip a coin four times it comes up tails every time (especially when the refs are going to give your opponent the calls just like the NBA stars get). 

 

The hall mark of the Bills between Marv Levy and McD was instability.  

 

I would rather not flip a coin on a new coach with a chance at going back to that. 

 

As I wrote in another thread on this topic a while back; 

 

None of us is anywhere near qualified to judge McD (or any other head coach for that matter).

 

Have you ever supervised an organization with over 100 people? 

 

I have not.

 

Have you ever lead young men making tens of millions of dollars, with huge egos and incredibly diverse backgrounds and perspectives as a cohesive team?

 

I have not.

 

Have you ever lead an organization in arguably the most competitive industry in the world?

 

I have not.

 

I would recommend you have some faith and enjoy the ride.

[Don Otreply]

Yes Sean’s post season defense basically screws the pooch with some frequency, we all know this…,

 

But as long as Pegula  owns this team Sean isn’t going anywhere soon, that and Pegs is making real coin with Sean & Brandon doing what they do, it would take a monumental fuh k up of biblical proportions on Sean’s behalf to change that, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited August 8 by Don Otreply

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

2 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

  Please check out the Bill's history.  We are living in a golden age, you just don't screw with it.

I lived through the Kelly years thank you very much. Had seasons tickets from 86-96. Four superbowl losses later and approaching retirement age theres only one thing left and Mcdermott can't even get us were Marv got us. Times wasting. Allen will be 30 soon. The biggest mistake would be accepting playoff beatdown after playoff beatdown at the hands of KC. McDermott is not the reason for our success. Allen is.