Homelander Posted Saturday at 10:04 PM Posted Saturday at 10:04 PM Probably just a gimmick to get Democrats and Independents to buy Teslas again but if it leads to a real third party that exposes the fascist rot Trump injected into the GOP, I’m all for it. 2
JDHillFan Posted Sunday at 02:36 AM Posted Sunday at 02:36 AM 4 hours ago, Homelander said: Probably just a gimmick to get Democrats and Independents to buy Teslas again but if it leads to a real third party that exposes the fascist rot Trump injected into the GOP, I’m all for it. Fascist rot!!
Big Blitz Posted Sunday at 07:13 AM Posted Sunday at 07:13 AM Yep. This is definitely a ploy to hurt Republican candidates. They’ve been all over Twitter signaling how they can’t wait to vote for this party: All a farce. “Please buy my Teslas again. And, when my companies boom in the next 2-3 years I’ll be distanced from any suspicion or allegation it was because of the administration.” 1
K D Posted Sunday at 01:20 PM Posted Sunday at 01:20 PM 16 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Why would this be the case? I would think the opposite. The Left hates Elon and anyone who was undecided swayed towards the Republicans this time around. This would be bad for the R's aka the side with common sense currently 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted Sunday at 01:20 PM Posted Sunday at 01:20 PM 10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Everyone wants fiscal responsibility until something near and dear to them is targeted to be cut. That's why we're headed for the biggest fiscal disaster and financial emergency in human history. 2
K D Posted Sunday at 01:35 PM Posted Sunday at 01:35 PM 12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Everyone wants fiscal responsibility until something near and dear to them is targeted to be cut. That's why we're headed for the biggest fiscal disaster and financial emergency in human history. There is currently zero incentive for fiscal responsibility in government. If anyone cuts any program then people freak out and you lose your next election. You get elected by promising to give away more money towards whatever cause, not take away. Why would anyone in government want to do the right thing in that case? It would be political suicide 1
The Frankish Reich Posted Sunday at 11:06 PM Posted Sunday at 11:06 PM "Fiscally conservative, socially liberal." Depends how you ask the question. One take from a group that fits the description: https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-government/fiscally-conservative-socially-liberal The problem is with how political coalitions form in our two-party/first past the post/federalist system. I live in what is now a deep blue state. The percentage supporting socially conservative views is maybe 30%. The liberal legislature keeps trying to undo a 1990s thing called the Taxpayer Bill of Rights, which basically requires a ballot measure to increase taxes. We've had a few of those. They all fail. People don't want higher taxes and higher spending either. So this kind of works in a state with high median levels of education, no particularly strong ethnic voting blocs, etc. I can't see it working in New York or Arkansas. The best Musk can do is to fulfill the Perot role, by dragging Dems and their candidates toward the center.
CoudyBills Posted Monday at 01:16 AM Posted Monday at 01:16 AM 11 hours ago, K D said: There is currently zero incentive for fiscal responsibility in government. If anyone cuts any program then people freak out and you lose your next election. You get elected by promising to give away more money towards whatever cause, not take away. Why would anyone in government want to do the right thing in that case? It would be political suicide Don't forget that a 12 dollar cut = 14,000,000 deaths.
JFKjr Posted Monday at 01:24 AM Posted Monday at 01:24 AM 22 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Fascist rot!! He's sounding like an angry old geezer. Libs' brains are aging fast than their tattoos with all the TDS.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted Monday at 01:51 AM Posted Monday at 01:51 AM 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: "Fiscally conservative, socially liberal." Depends how you ask the question. One take from a group that fits the description: https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-government/fiscally-conservative-socially-liberal The problem is with how political coalitions form in our two-party/first past the post/federalist system. I live in what is now a deep blue state. The percentage supporting socially conservative views is maybe 30%. The liberal legislature keeps trying to undo a 1990s thing called the Taxpayer Bill of Rights, which basically requires a ballot measure to increase taxes. We've had a few of those. They all fail. People don't want higher taxes and higher spending either. So this kind of works in a state with high median levels of education, no particularly strong ethnic voting blocs, etc. I can't see it working in New York or Arkansas. The best Musk can do is to fulfill the Perot role, by dragging Dems and their candidates toward the center. Holy cow. I started the weekend thinking I’m a conservative looking for common sense and efficiency in government and realize I’m a Reichan liberal? What a whirlwind! 2
The Frankish Reich Posted Monday at 02:02 AM Posted Monday at 02:02 AM 9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Holy cow. I started the weekend thinking I’m a conservative looking for common sense and efficiency in government and realize I’m a Reichan liberal? What a whirlwind! There is one big wedge issue that kills that Libertarian Wave: immigration.
Orlando Buffalo Posted Monday at 02:08 AM Posted Monday at 02:08 AM Elon is for whatever reason doing this to help Trump, I am guessing he will in 2 years back Vance as President but this seems convoluted at best. 2
Big Blitz Posted Monday at 04:16 AM Posted Monday at 04:16 AM 20 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Yep. This is definitely a ploy to hurt Republican candidates. They’ve been all over Twitter signaling how they can’t wait to vote for this party: All a farce. “Please buy my Teslas again. And, when my companies boom in the next 2-3 years I’ll be distanced from any suspicion or allegation it was because of the administration.” Told you. Trump voters are not GOP voters. The miscalculation being made by leftists is this “party” (it isn’t) would pull from R candidates. TRUMP benefitted from the tech bro/left of center fake fiscal conservative socially liberal vote. This “coalition” only existed for Trump 2.0. But it isn’t the reason why Trump won. Democrats still don’t get it. Trump isn’t on the ballot anymore. Republican of some form will be. Elon can push fiscal sanity as he should. But in off year elections these people Musk appeals to (who is that exactly?) NEVER show up to vote GOP anyway. Just like in Wisconsin right, Elon? This is all kayfabe to officially distance Musk and Trump for the sake of “brand” or potentially something that could target districts to pull from Democrats. I still lean the former. Rogan, Musk, etc all have careers post this administration and don’t want to be seen as Republican shills. Democrats listen to them to. Musk is giving them back their cover of impartiality.
ChiGoose Posted Monday at 01:03 PM Posted Monday at 01:03 PM Anyone pushing a third party without first dismantling the First Past the Post system is either unserious or a grifter. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Monday at 01:08 PM Posted Monday at 01:08 PM 10 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Elon is for whatever reason doing this to help Trump, I am guessing he will in 2 years back Vance as President but this seems convoluted at best. yes, cuz his history is steeped in subtlety. 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: But in off year elections these people Musk appeals to (who is that exactly?) NEVER show up to vote GOP anyway. yalll were pretty supportive when he was funding the conman...I think there's an entire topic glorifying him. Fickle, stupid maga's...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Monday at 01:13 PM Posted Monday at 01:13 PM On 7/6/2025 at 9:01 AM, BillsFanNC said: just wait til you lose your medicaid
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