Optimistic vs Realistic Expectations

[Gregg]

Anyone paying attention to the Steelers situation with TJ Watt. I am starting to see more articles that Steelers are considering trading him. 

Edited yesterday at 12:20 PM by Gregg

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

That home schedule is brutal though. Thankfully the Bills are one the best home teams in the league and have been for some time now.

 

Yea exactly. The Bills are so good at home. They might lose one or two. I doubt they lose more than that at home. And they could go unbeaten on the road

 

[Gregg]

51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea exactly. The Bills are so good at home. They might lose one or two. I doubt they lose more than that at home. And they could go unbeaten on the road

 

 

They won't go unbeaten on the road. As good as the Bills are they seem to always have "THAT GAME" where they drop one they shouldn't. You can laugh but I think the week 2 game at MetLife will be a tough one. The Jets always get up for the Bills. While the Bills have kicked their ass in OP lately the games at MetLife have been tough. Lost twice to Zach Wilson and in last year's 23-20 win the Jets missed 2 FG's and an extra point. 

[uticaclub]

On 7/2/2025 at 6:26 AM, corta765 said:

 

Well if you have Allen, Lamar, Mahomes or you PHI with Hurts and that roster how is that wrong? Honestly that should be the expectation given the rosters they have and caliber of QB play. Once you hit the divisional round/title games your talking about slim margins between winning and losing so you have to be realistic with that. But if I was a fan of any four of those teams my expectation should be SB title optimistically.

 

Again CIN is weird because Burrow and the offense is elite, but the defense was so bad (and this hasn't been a banner offseason of improvement) that it weighs down what they do. It is a quasi Manning Colts situation there, except IND at least spend real money and resources whereas CIN is fighting with their best pass rusher and their 1st round pick who also is a talented rusher over contract language sooo yeaaaa

It’s not wrong at all. I just didn’t think there will be that much difference of opinion and I don't think there has been. I have the same opinion, this team could win the Super Bowl but realistically we should easily win the division and a playoff game or two; which is still a good year. 

Edited 23 hours ago by uticaclub

[bmur66]

I have found things to be better when you just enjoy one game at a time and see what happens.

[Dillenger4]

Realistic = It will be a tough season. We will make the playoffs but I don't see us as a "tight", tuned football team compared to Baltimore, KC, Denver. Even the Steelers could turn out to be a tough team. We are gonna be in the mix but I just don't see us getting to the SB.

[Gregg]

Just now, Dillenger4 said:

Realistic = It will be a tough season. We will make the playoffs but I don't see us as a "tight", tuned football team compared to Baltimore, KC, Denver. Even the Steelers could turn out to be a tough team. We are gonna be in the mix but I just don't see us getting to the SB.

 

Some media reports are saying the Steelers are considering trading TJ Watt. If that happens (I don't think it will) then they are toast.

[GoBills808]

21 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Realistic: AFC Div Champ - Lose to KC/Bal in Division or AFCCG

Optimistic - SB Appearance

This

[corta765]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If a year ever set up for the Bills to get the #1 seed this is it. 

That is where I am. Probably the best roster overall they have had since Josh and the schedule is favorable even with some tough home matchups. KC is not as good while still scary and the AFC North is tough as hell even if BAL is a beast. 

 

It is kind of now or never.

[90sBills]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If a year ever set up for the Bills to get the #1 seed this is it. 

This cannot be overstated. If they can’t do it this year it’d be a huge failure and disappointment. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Optimistic and Realistic are the same in this case and is a Super Bowl victory.

 

We are co-favorites to win the Super Bowl right now.  

[Gregg]

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[Billl]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

That is where I am. Probably the best roster overall they have had since Josh and the schedule is favorable even with some tough home matchups. KC is not as good while still scary and the AFC North is tough as hell even if BAL is a beast. 

 

It is kind of now or never.

The 2022 team was easily the best roster of the Josh Allen era.  That team had an elite QB, pass rusher, WR, and Safeties.  2025 should have a much better OL that team, but I don’t see them being elite anywhere else other than QB.

Edited 17 hours ago by Billl

[Success]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

The 2022 team was easily the best roster of the Josh Allen era.  That team had an elite QB, pass rusher, WR, and Safeties.  2025 should have a much better OL that team, but I don’t see them being elite anywhere else other than QB.

 

"Easily" is very disputable - especially since I agree w/ the post you were responding to about this year's team.  

 

But "pass rusher" intrigued me.  Who are you referring to?

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

 

"Easily" is very disputable - especially since I agree w/ the post you were responding to about this year's team.  

 

But "pass rusher" intrigued me.  Who are you referring to?

 

 

Yea I don't think Von was elite by the time he got to the Bills in 2022. But he was still really good until the ACL. 

1 hour ago, Billl said:

The 2022 team was easily the best roster of the Josh Allen era.  That team had an elite QB, pass rusher, WR, and Safeties.  2025 should have a much better OL that team, but I don’t see them being elite anywhere else other than QB.

 

I don't think the Bills have a proven elite player on the OL - though if Brown can repeat 2024 maybe, but as a unit they were top 5 last year and health allowing can be again.

[ganesh]

I don't see the Bills being able to beat the Ravens in Baltimore for the AFC Championship.  

 

For the Bills to reach the SB, the road to the SB needs to go through Buffalo. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Sojourner]

19 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Some media reports are saying the Steelers are considering trading TJ Watt. If that happens (I don't think it will) then they are toast.

Toast? You think so?

 

The guys they have behind him could produce. Highsmith is decent, Herbig has shown flashes and Sawyer has a chance to show the same flashes Herbig has in what, as it stands with Watt on the team, would be a limited role. 
 

Hey ward/Benton/Harmon is a decent interior on that defensive front that should make things easier for whoever slots on the edge. 
 

Getting rid of Watt would not be the ideal move for them given where they are at but if they can’t work a contract out, which at him wanting $40m p/y seems unlikely, then the most they’ll get for him is a 2nd rounder as the highest. Either way, don’t believe they are “toast” without him.
Definitely not as elite I can agree with.