Brandon Beane "might be the most sensitive GM in the entire NFL"?

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

It was common knowledge here at the time that the Panthers believed that.   Do you really not recall that?

 

The whole thing caught Bills fans and the Buffalo media by surprise.    It wasn't a Buffalo generated narrative but pretty damn obvious, pretty damn quick in hindsight.

 

You gotta' remember the context here was the Bills being Billsy.    The idea that they would keep Whaley around for a year or two even if he didn't seem to mesh with McDermott was entirely plausible.   That had been the case with the two prior HC's Whaley worked with.

 

The sham McBeane pulled off was actually very clever.   Get the intel you want from the scouts you trust.   That was the only way they get the finished board and evaluations.   Like I said.........the flaw was McD allowing KC to trade up for a QB in your spot.    It's likely blocked them from reaching 2-4 SB's.  

 

Yeah it was “common knowledge” based on supposition, largely by you if I recall correctly.

 

dont get me wrong, I’m not saying I necessarily disagree. I just am asking if there’s any proof or if you actually heard something

[Buffalo Boy]

So, If we like what PFF says, Dey Good

If we don’t, Dey bad?

 

Maybe it’s subjective but it doesn’t seem to be too far off base.

[Beck Water]

On 6/25/2025 at 10:23 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

Yeah the Matt Kalil signing turned out to be horrendous.   Gettlenutz wasn't the GM he was on leave with cancer.   But they didn't want to elevate Beane because DG was supposed to get his job back when he recovered.   So they brought back ol' Marty Hurney to technically fill the role temporarily so they didn't have to "demote" Beane later.........but Beane was doing a lot of the GM work at that point.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/panthers-release-left-tackle-matt-kalil-after-two-years-0ap3000001022737#:~:text=Kalil%2C who joined the Panthers,Rodrigue of the Charlotte Observer.

 

No argument that the Kalil signing was a Bad Move in retrospect.  They got 16 games out of a 4 year contract before he went on IR and was subsequently released.

 

Your account of the Gettleman/Hurney succession at GM and Gettleman's cancer doesn't match public record however:

1) Gettleman was fired by the Panthers in July 2017
2) Hurney was hired as interim GM to replace Gettleman in July 2017
3) Beane was gone to the Bills by that time
4) Gettleman was  hired by the Giants in Dec 2017

5) Gettleman was diagnosed with cancer (lymphoma) sometime in late May/early June 2018

There's nothing to be found on the Google machine indicating that Gettleman had cancer in Spring of 2017, or was on any sort of leave as GM, or that Hurney was actually brought in that Spring prior to his July 2017 hiring, or that Beane had taken over as GM for a non-cancerous Gettleman who was not on leave.

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

So, If we like what PFF says, Dey Good

If we don’t, Dey bad?

 

Maybe it’s subjective but it doesn’t seem to be too far off base.

 

For me, if we're talking about their objective stats and measurables-based data that teams around the league pay for, they're always good: what plays teams run out of different sets, how often they run them and what their success percentage is, how open a receiver is etc.

 

If we're talking about their player grades, they're always variable in quality - there's an element of subjectivity and assumed knowledge

 

If we're talking about their lists of "10 best QB" or "10 best coaches" or whatever, I think they're written to generate controversy and clicks.

 

If we're talking about Sam Monson saying Brandon Beane is the most sensitive GM in the league because he supposedly called PFF to complain about how the Matt Kalil free agent signing by the Panthers in 2017 was graded, Beane wasn't GM of the Panthers at the time, Dave Gettleman neither had cancer nor was on leave, Marty Hurney was not in the Panthers building, and there's no evidence that Beane was filling a GM role.  So if he did ring up PFF and B word, it was very likely at the behest of Gettleman.   And since PFF is supposedly objective and analytics-driven in their grades (that's how they market themselves) it would actually reflect very badly on them if they changed their system because 1 GM rang up and complained
Beane may or may not be the most sensitive GM in the league based on his interview on WGR or other factors; my take is that there are plenty of big and sensitive egos in FOs of teams around the league and I doubt Monson is really keeping some kind of objective tally.   If some other GMs aren't more sensitive than Beane, maybe they should be (I have certain candidates in mind, but I digress).

Beane took a metric ton of crap and mockery for drafting Josh Allen instead of Josh Rosen or even Mason "the Reindeer" Rudolph and he was right.  Beane took a metric ton of crap for trading Diggs when we had no #1 WR last year and came out with the top-scoring offense (and shed all of Diggs cap in 1 year). 

I don't forget that Beane got us into cap hell between Diggs new contract and signing Von Miller etc, or that Beane under-invested in WR in the draft-and-develop pipeline, but I think he's entitled to a bit of saltiness with the local press.

Edited yesterday at 08:48 PM by Beck Water

[BADOLBILZ]

29 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

There's nothing to be found on the Google machine indicating that Gettleman had cancer in Spring of 2017, or was on any sort of leave as GM, or that Hurney was actually brought in that Spring prior to his July 2017 hiring, or that Beane had taken over as GM for a non-cancerous Gettleman who was not on leave.

 

 

 

I never said Beane had taken over as Panthers GM at that time.   You are misconstruing what Monson said in not clarifying that Beane was not the actual GM at the time of the Kalil signing.   Hurney succeeded Gettleman.   My timeline was wrong on WHEN Hurney took over and DG's cancer diagnosis and that having anything to do with his departure as GM though,  that is correct. 

 

What Beane's responsibilities were was is what I knew and cared about knowing.   And I had gotten that info from someone I've known for most of my life who was in a similar football executive role who knew Beane in Carolina.   Beane was a very important person in the Panthers front office at the time because Gettleman didn't want to handle the non-football GM responsibilities.   Those duties were becoming an increasingly larger part of the workload.  Very similar to the Whaley situation in Buffalo.......except the Panthers owner was a true football man.......a literal former player who had been there at the teams inception.   

 

Beane was a great fit because the Pegula's were lost on how to run an NFL team with a road scout as GM.   They had literally lived in Orchard Park during the 90's SB's and yet the first time they even attended a Bills game was AFTER they bought the team.   To say they were NFL novices is an understatement and their early tenure was their first real embarrassment as sport owners.  They were tanking to get superstars in hockey and that was a very popular approach so they hadn't yet earned the ire they now own on the hockey end.  Their embarrassment and uncertainty on the football side created the environment for McBeane to take full control of the Bills.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yeah it was “common knowledge” based on supposition, largely by you if I recall correctly.

 

dont get me wrong, I’m not saying I necessarily disagree. I just am asking if there’s any proof or if you actually heard something

 

 

I didn't know anything about it until after the Panthers complained about it.........so no I didn't create the accusation.

 

What do you suppose the consequence would be for, say, a leaked text or email of the Panthers draft board sent by Beane to McDermott prior to the draft?

 

There is your answer on why we don't have proof and likely never will.

 

And why wouldn't the Panthers really push the issue?  

 

Well given what we now know about Jerry Richardson's organization it's very likely that McBeane knew enough that the Panthers didn't have an appetite to get in a pissing match with them over a lil' draft intel that might have cost them a terrible WR and what looked like a good young guard prospect.   

 

 

[FireChans]

25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I didn't know anything about it until after the Panthers complained about it.........so no I didn't create the accusation.

 

What do you suppose the consequence would be for, say, a leaked text or email of the Panthers draft board sent by Beane to McDermott prior to the draft?

 

There is your answer on why we don't have proof and likely never will.

 

And why wouldn't the Panthers really push the issue?  

 

Well given what we now know about Jerry Richardson's organization it's very likely that McBeane knew enough that the Panthers didn't have an appetite to get in a pissing match with them over a lil' draft intel that might have cost them a terrible WR and what looked like a good young guard prospect.   

 

 

Where is the link the panthers complained

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

For me, if we're talking about their objective stats and measurables-based data that teams around the league pay for, they're always good: what plays teams run out of different sets, how often they run them and what their success percentage is, how open a receiver is etc.

 

If we're talking about their player grades, they're always variable in quality - there's an element of subjectivity and assumed knowledge

 

 

 

Beane telling PFF the Panthers weren't going to pay for content because he didn't like a "free agency player grade" does NOT track well with the notion that teams don't place any value on "player grades".   

 

It's always been a fools argument that modern GM's wouldn't find some value in that data.

 

If society didn't value information just because there was "subjectivity and assumed knowledge" baked into the results then why would we value any profession that "practices"?

 

 

[Lfod]

I could care less if he bathes in hotdog water with an all day sucker. The teams in the playoffs every year.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Where is the link the panthers complained

 

If you don't believe what was at the time common knowledge then feel free to research it.   Those in their organization felt the Bills had inside information to know when to trade in front of them.   DURING the draft.  It was a larger point of discussion in Carolina.  

 

To quote @HappyDays at the time:

 

"Things have really changed since McDermott took over. The guys we traded up for didn't visit with us here. They aren't from schools we usually draft from. They supposedly were on Carolina's board and their assistant GM is supposedly coming here. Sounds to me like we threw out the scouting reports our team had and went with what Beane and McDermott knew from their time in Carolina. This is absolutely nuts that this is happening."

 

It was very un-Billsy to be the pointed end of screwing.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

If you don't believe what was at the time common knowledge then feel free to research it.   Those in their organization felt the Bills had inside information to know when to trade in front of them.   DURING the draft.  It was a larger point of discussion in Carolina.  

 

To quote @HappyDays at the time:

 

"Things have really changed since McDermott took over. The guys we traded up for didn't visit with us here. They aren't from schools we usually draft from. They supposedly were on Carolina's board and their assistant GM is supposedly coming here. Sounds to me like we threw out the scouting reports our team had and went with what Beane and McDermott knew from their time in Carolina. This is absolutely nuts that this is happening."

 

It was very un-Billsy to be the pointed end of screwing.

 

All true although Zay's receiver coach from ECU had been hired on staff and they had a link at Temple through a guy who had interned in Carolina. Still the case that the 2017 draft other than Tre does not look the same as their MO ever since.

[FireChans]

12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

If you don't believe what was at the time common knowledge then feel free to research it.   Those in their organization felt the Bills had inside information to know when to trade in front of them.   DURING the draft.  It was a larger point of discussion in Carolina.  

 

To quote @HappyDays at the time:

 

"Things have really changed since McDermott took over. The guys we traded up for didn't visit with us here. They aren't from schools we usually draft from. They supposedly were on Carolina's board and their assistant GM is supposedly coming here. Sounds to me like we threw out the scouting reports our team had and went with what Beane and McDermott knew from their time in Carolina. This is absolutely nuts that this is happening."

 

It was very un-Billsy to be the pointed end of screwing.

That’s kinda my point.

 

It’s “common knowledge” because we all kinda thought it happened. But none of us really had any info about it.

 

Your “evidence” boils down to @HappyDays being curious. This is probably some sociological phenomenon where if something is repeated enough, it becomes factual.

 

It’s not shocking you don’t have a link Carolina complained. Because I don’t think it happened.

[Coach Tuesday]

https://www.catscratchreader.com/2017/4/29/15484252/former-nfl-carolina-panther-dc-sean-mcdermott-poaches-a-panther-draft-pick

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

That’s kinda my point.

 

It’s “common knowledge” because we all kinda thought it happened. But none of us really had any info about it.

 

Your “evidence” boils down to @HappyDays being curious. This is probably some sociological phenomenon where if something is repeated enough, it becomes factual.

 

It’s not shocking you don’t have a link Carolina complained. Because I don’t think it happened.

 

"We all" was mostly from the Carolina end.   When your team is the one stealing information it's considerably less of an issue from your perspective.

 

See Bills fans fixation on perceived Belichick-era Pats cheating against Buffalo.    Anything Buffalo Bills complaint related was a non-issue to NE fans for almost 20 years let alone the period where an employee of theirs was believed to have recorded other teams signals.   We technically never had any proof whatsoever that the Patriots used any information they stole against the Bills.  So I guess they didn't.  Right?   

 

There are always going to be those who will disbelieve the obvious despite a mountain of circumstantial evidence.

 

You don't think McDermott used Carolina draft intel that was shared with him and you believe that Beane was totally unaware that he would be the Bills GM for those 4 months.  

 

That's yours to believe.  

 

Personally,  if I thought I might be getting the job with my hometown team to work with people I know I would probably hold out for that job rather than join a team that just executed about 40(?) free agent acquisitions/draft picks/UDFA's/futures signings etc.. that I didn't have any input on in the previous 4+ months.  The first season on my record I had little to even do with the roster construction.

 

What's not to like about that?     

 

But if the glove doesn't fit.....Chans must acquit.

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by BADOLBILZ

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

There are always going to be those who will disbelieve the obvious despite a mountain of circumstantial evidence

Sure but that doesn’t change the evidence from being circumstantial.

 

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

You don't think McDermott used Carolina draft intel that was shared with him and you believe that Beane was totally unaware that he would be the Bills GM for those 4 months.  

 

I don’t know. I think it’s very plausible.

 

I do think we’ve gone to “circumstantial evidence” from “common knowledge.” 
 

Which was my point. 
 

You can have suppositions. They may even be true. But arguing it’s fact, and using that fact to malign Beane’s character imo is a bridge to far. And I ***** HATE Beane lol.

[PrimeTime101]

On 6/25/2025 at 10:29 PM, Beck Water said:

 

Anthony Prohaska and the Cover1 guys say "Hi"
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Matt Parrino and Ryan Talbot more fluff and less technical but also not 60+ with grey beards
 

Dan Mitchell and AFCE Roundtable are my places I go to get my football fun. 

 

Cover 1 does great job breaking things down and on the other end of the Spectrum, Dan does a great job talking to people in chat.