McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

[FireChans]

42 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The Bills only beat the Dolphins in week 18 because they imploded?

Yes?

 

The Dolphins went 2-2 in their last 4 games, including losing an AWFUL game to the Titans. Otherwise, they would have been resting their starters week 18 as they would have locked up the division.

 

Those same Titans (a 6 win team by the way) also played spoiler to the Jags week 18.

 

If the Titans lost to the Jags and the Dolphins, the Bills miss the playoffs regardless if they win week 18 or not.

 

Furthermore, the Bills trailed by 7 until

the 4th quarter when we got an extremely lucky punt return.

The Bills also needed a 5 game winning streak to have a chance to get in because they were .500 and in disarray in November lol

 

42 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

There is not an unhealthy obsession from anyone.  You pumping up Stefanski for doing it twice, I point out McDermott also made the playoffs with a bad QB.....now I'm attached to that event?  I mean talking up a coach with multiple posts, from another team with a career losing record AND on a Bills message board sounds more like an obsession to me.  

I pointed it out first. When I said “Stefanski making the playoffs with a bad QB is as impressive as anything McDermott’s done.” Do you think I wasn’t talking about McDermott ALSO doing that lol

 

42 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Its not the same because Tyrod will not or ever will take you deep into the playoffs

Incredible!
 

Imagine this take to defend a dude who is incapable of beating the Chiefs or the Bengals and can’t get past the conference finals lol

Edited July 1 by FireChans

[GunnerBill]

50 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I wanted him gone after 13 seconds but I knew that wasn't going to happen as they had a great year despite that painful loss. I thought his seat would get hot after the blowout loss to the Bengals in the playoffs, but it didn't. At this point it would take a horrible season something like 7-10, 6-11 and maybe Terry thinks about making a change. Otherwise, I don't see him getting fired if the team keeps making the playoffs. 

 

I think the seat is warmer than it was but I don't think he is under any immediate threat. 

 

I can respect wanting him fired for 13 seconds. It was a huge failure. I don't put the Bengals loss on him it was squarely on the players and I even then I cut them some slack. They started slow and with everything that year they had no mental reserves to respond. They all looked vacant and lifeless. To put that on coaching you almost need to believe McDermott told them to play like that. The Bills have been beaten by more than 1 score twice in like 3 and a half years and that was one of them. It was an anomoly. 

 

But if, like me, you are willing to give one mulligan for 13 seconds then he doesn't get a second one. Missing the playoffs unless Josh is hurt is a second huge failure and he'd have to go. Likewise losing a playoff game to a non-elite QB. Likewise any playoff defeat whatsoever that has a 13 second like blunder. 

 

As for where Pegula is... the regime might survive a winning season where they miss the playoffs at 9-8. Possibly. If they have a losing season they are toast. They might survive a narrow playoff loss to a non-elite QB on the road. At home? Riskier. Another blunder like 13 seconds I think Terry fires McDermott. In that situation and only that situation do I think there is a chance the coach goes and the GM stays.

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the seat is warmer than it was but I don't think he is under any immediate threat. 

 

I can respect wanting him fired for 13 seconds. It was a huge failure. I don't put the Bengals loss on him it was squarely on the players and I even then I cut them some slack. They started slow and with everything that year they had no mental reserves to respond. They all looked vacant and lifeless. To put that on coaching you almost need to believe McDermott told them to play like that. The Bills have been beaten by more than 1 score twice in like 3 and a half years and that was one of them. It was an anomoly. 

 

But if, like me, you are willing to give one mulligan for 13 seconds then he doesn't get a second one. Missing the playoffs unless Josh is hurt is a second huge failure and he'd have to go. Likewise losing a playoff game to a non-elite QB. Likewise any playoff defeat whatsoever that has a 13 second like blunder. 

 

As for where Pegula is... the regime might survive a winning season where they miss the playoffs at 9-8. Possibly. If they have a losing season they are toast. They might survive a narrow playoff loss to a non-elite QB on the road. At home? Riskier. Another blunder like 13 seconds I think Terry fires McDermott. In that situation and only that situation do I think there is a chance the coach goes and the GM stays.

When McD goes 0-5 vs the Chiefs when it matters most, he will be fired. Heck, Josh may request it.

Edited July 1 by FireChans

[LABILLBACKER]

51 minutes ago, FireChans said:

When McD goes 0-5 vs the Chiefs when it matters most, he will be fired. Heck, Josh may request it.

I'm starting to think with the "over the top" support Sean gets from Terry and our fan base, he could go 0-7 against KC in the playoffs and still be safe. The fans are terrified of a world without McDermott. And Terry has always supported the stability (culture) he's brought to Buffalo.  Maybe another HC doesn't do any better?  2 Mulligans a round in golf is very generous. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Yes?

 

The Dolphins went 2-2 in their last 4 games, including losing an AWFUL game to the Titans. Otherwise, they would have been resting their starters week 18 as they would have locked up the division.

 

Those same Titans (a 6 win team by the way) also played spoiler to the Jags week 18.

 

If the Titans lost to the Jags and the Dolphins, the Bills miss the playoffs regardless if they win week 18 or not.

 

Furthermore, the Bills trailed by 7 until

the 4th quarter when we got an extremely lucky punt return.

The Bills also needed a 5 game winning streak to have a chance to get in because they were .500 and in disarray in November lol

 

I pointed it out first. When I said “Stefanski making the playoffs with a bad QB is as impressive as anything McDermott’s done.” Do you think I wasn’t talking about McDermott ALSO doing that lol

 

Incredible!
 

Imagine this take to defend a dude who is incapable of beating the Chiefs or the Bengals and can’t get past the conference finals lol

 

2-2 is imploding?  So I guess we could say the Bills imploded in the middle of the season right? Dolphins got lucky the Bills imploded or the Bills would have locked up the division by November.  See I can spit that crap too.

 

Oh, they got extremely lucky on a special teams big play?  We were down by 7....oooooh.  Good teams never trail in the 4th in a do or die game I guess.  

I mean we won the game with the division on the line and the Bills got lucky.  Talk about an agenda lol.

 

Incredible take?  So Taylor has shown in his career that he can take a team to the divisional or conference final round?  

Is your definition "deep into the playoffs" Super Bowl and that's it?  Conference Championship games aren't deep into the playoffs?

[FireChans]

54 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

2-2 is imploding?  So I guess we could say the Bills imploded in the middle of the season right? Dolphins got lucky the Bills imploded or the Bills would have locked up the division by November

Yeah you didn’t watch the Dolphins Titans game lol.

 

You can “spit that crap too” because you started it with, “the Browns only made the playoffs because Burrow got hurt” lol

Edited July 1 by FireChans

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah you didn’t watch the Dolphins Titans game lol.

 

You can “spit that crap too” because you started it with, “the Browns only made the playoffs because Burrow got hurt” lol

 

Yeah you didn't watch the Bills Broncos game that year?  You brought up the Bills were 6-6 at one point...why can't we call that a midseason implosion?

Are you only going to use "implosion" when it comes to the Dolphins going 2-2 at the end of the year?

 

I didn't start it lol.  I was responding to your "take it a step further, if the Bills were in the AFC N (paraphrasing) the Bills wouldn't have as much success".

I was just showing you anyone can play the "If" game lol.  It was an example dude.

 

This is how strong your agenda is.  You need to create a hypothetical situation to move the Bills a division and speculate they wouldn't be as good. 

How about the other side of this hypothetical situation?  If the Bills were in the NFC, they would have made multiple Super Bowls.  Am I allowed to move the Bills to another division too or are the rules we must move to a harder division so you think you have a point?  

 

 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yeah you didn't watch the Bills Broncos game that year?  You brought up the Bills were 6-6 at one point...why can't we call that a midseason implosion?

Are you only going to use "implosion" when it comes to the Dolphins going 2-2 at the end of the year?

 

I didn't start it lol.  I was responding to your "take it a step further, if the Bills were in the AFC N (paraphrasing) the Bills wouldn't have as much success".

I was just showing you anyone can play the "If" game lol.  It was an example dude.

 

This is how strong your agenda is.  You need to create a hypothetical situation to move the Bills a division and speculate they wouldn't be as good. 

How about the other side of this hypothetical situation?  If the Bills were in the NFC, they would have made multiple Super Bowls.  Am I allowed to move the Bills to another division too or are the rules we must move to a harder division so you think you have a point?  

 

 

If the Bills were in the NFC, we would still have had to play the Bengals and Chiefs in the last 4 Superbowls.

 

We are 0-5 in the playoffs vs those teams.

 

Not sure why you believe that would change in the NFC lol

 

If the Bills were 0-4 in the Super Bowl vs the Chiefs and Bengals I would still want McD fired 

Edited July 1 by FireChans

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If the Bills were in the NFC, we would still have had to play the Bengals and Chiefs in the last 4 Superbowls.

 

We are 0-5 in the playoffs vs those teams.

 

Not sure why you believe that would change in the NFC lol

 

 If the Bills were 0-4 in the Super Bowl vs the Chiefs and Bengals I would still want McD fired 

 

I’m sure you would. I’d be happy to go to FOUR Super Bowls, and try to figure out how to get over the top since we were so close. But you feel free to tear down the team that just went to FOUR Super Bowls. 

 

Sometimes things get so emotional for some people that we lose sight of rational thought, imo. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If the Bills were in the NFC, we would still have had to play the Bengals and Chiefs in the last 4 Superbowls.

 

We are 0-5 in the playoffs vs those teams.

 

Not sure why you believe that would change in the NFC lol

 

If the Bills were 0-4 in the Super Bowl vs the Chiefs and Bengals I would still want McD fired 

 

Now we're veering into the "Everything in the NFL happens in a vacuum" conversation.  

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m sure you would. I’d be happy to go to FOUR Super Bowls, and try to figure out how to get over the top since we were so close. But you feel free to tear down the team that just went to FOUR Super Bowls. 

 

Sometimes things get so emotional for some people that we lose sight of rational thought, imo. 

“Trying to figure out how to get over the top” and “eliminating the weak link head coach” are not incongruous lol.

 

But of course, you have to say “tear it down.”

 

Just like Gary Kubiak “tore down” the Broncos after they fired John Fox after losing in the playoffs every year. Oh wait, no. They just won a Super Bowl.

 

Just like when Jon Gruden “tore down” the Bucs after they fired Tony Dungy after losing in the playoffs every year. Oh wait, no. They just won a Super Bowl.

 

but of course, with an elite QB and a GM I’m sure you think is excellent, it’s not just possible but LIKELY that firing McDermott is going to usher in a second era of darkness. Bizarro stuff.

[GerstAusGosheim]

 

On 6/24/2025 at 10:30 PM, uticaclub said:

If the Jets draft Allen, McDermott is a defensive coordinator 

in the UFL

Edited July 1 by GerstAusGosheim

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

19 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If the Bills were in the NFC, we would still have had to play the Bengals and Chiefs in the last 4 Superbowls.

 

We are 0-5 in the playoffs vs those teams.

 

I keep saying this and it's been said by others as well.

 

McDermott is exactly like Marty Schottenheimer v2.0.

 

He's the perfect coach to lead the Bills out of the drought and back to respectability much like Marty led the Chargers back to respectability. 

 

But poor Marty could never lead the Chargers over the next hump which was playoffs and super bowl,

Exactly like McDermott 

 

People make fun of Rivers but he was a great QB in his day who was a victim of poor coaching.

 

I'm afraid the same fate awaits Josh until we get rid of McDermott. 

 

The definition of insanity is to try the same thing over and over and expect a different result. 

 

Here we are in McDermotts 10th year and we keep expecting something different to happen. 

 

Please remember the lesson of Marty Schottenheimer and Philip Rivers.

 

I pray we're not making the same mistake with McDermott and Josh

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I keep saying this and it's been said by others as well.

 

McDermott is exactly like Marty Schottenheimer v2.0.

 

He's the perfect coach to lead the Bills out of the drought and back to respectability much like Marty led the Chargers back to respectability. 

 

But poor Marty could never lead the Chargers over the next hump which was playoffs and super bowl,

Exactly like McDermott 

 

People make fun of Rivers but he was a great QB in his day who was a victim of poor coaching.

 

I'm afraid the same fate awaits Josh until we get rid of McDermott. 

 

The definition of insanity is to try the same thing over and over and expect a different result. 

 

Here we are in McDermotts 10th year and we keep expecting something different to happen. 

 

Please remember the lesson of Marty Schottenheimer and Philip Rivers.

 

I pray we're not making the same mistake with McDermott and Josh

 

Marty Shottenheimer was 5-13 in the playoffs.  He is the only coach in NFL history with 200+ regular season wins and a below .500 playoff winning percentage....by a lot.  That's a .278 winning %.

Just because McDermott hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl doesn't mean he's as bad as the worst playoff coach of all time.

 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I keep saying this and it's been said by others as well.

 

McDermott is exactly like Marty Schottenheimer v2.0.

 

He's the perfect coach to lead the Bills out of the drought and back to respectability much like Marty led the Chargers back to respectability. 

 

But poor Marty could never lead the Chargers over the next hump which was playoffs and super bowl,

Exactly like McDermott 

 

People make fun of Rivers but he was a great QB in his day who was a victim of poor coaching.

 

I'm afraid the same fate awaits Josh until we get rid of McDermott. 

 

The definition of insanity is to try the same thing over and over and expect a different result. 

 

Here we are in McDermotts 10th year and we keep expecting something different to happen. 

 

Please remember the lesson of Marty Schottenheimer and Philip Rivers.

 

I pray we're not making the same mistake with McDermott and Josh

It will be over at 0-5. Another devastating loss to the Chiefs in the postseason, where despite investing basically an entire offseason to the defense, the defense gets ripped through like wet toilet paper again, and Pegula will fire McD. 
 

Folks on here will get histrionic and act like the Bills are the new Sabres, and the new head coach will instantly win 11+ games again and it will all be forgotten.

Edited July 1 by FireChans

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Marty Shottenheimer was 5-13 in the playoffs.  He is the only coach in NFL history with 200+ regular season wins and a below .500 playoff winning percentage....by a lot.  That's a .278 winning %.

Just because McDermott hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl doesn't mean he's as bad as the worst playoff coach of all time.

 

 

When you’ve made your mind up, you latch on to things that support your beliefs…..whether they actually help your point, or not.  Please don’t look so closely at the facts, because it sounds good and that’s all we want to know. 

 

McD isn’t just losing to a group of middling HC’s that happened to make the playoffs. He’s mostly losing to a 1st ballot HOF coach with a 1st ballot HOF QB. It’s his job to beat them, but let’s not pretend it’s an easy task. I think he gets over the hump eventually, but we’ll have to wait and see. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

When you’ve made your mind up, you latch on to things that support your beliefs…..whether they actually help your point, or not.  Please don’t look so closely at the facts, because it sounds good and that’s all we want to know. 

 

McD isn’t just losing to a group of middling HC’s that happened to make the playoffs. He’s mostly losing to a 1st ballot HOF coach with a 1st ballot HOF QB. It’s his job to beat them, but let’s not pretend it’s an easy task. I think he gets over the hump eventually, but we’ll have to wait and see. 

How many attempts does McDermott get to try to beat Andy Reid one time in the postseason?

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I keep saying this and it's been said by others as well.

 

McDermott is exactly like Marty Schottenheimer v2.0.

 

He's the perfect coach to lead the Bills out of the drought and back to respectability much like Marty led the Chargers back to respectability. 

 

But poor Marty could never lead the Chargers over the next hump which was playoffs and super bowl,

Exactly like McDermott 

 

People make fun of Rivers but he was a great QB in his day who was a victim of poor coaching.

 

I'm afraid the same fate awaits Josh until we get rid of McDermott. 

 

The definition of insanity is to try the same thing over and over and expect a different result. 

 

Here we are in McDermotts 10th year and we keep expecting something different to happen. 

 

Please remember the lesson of Marty Schottenheimer and Philip Rivers.

 

I pray we're not making the same mistake with McDermott and Josh

 

Marty only had Rivers for 1 season.  They went 14-2, lost to NE in the Div game.  Spanos then fired Marty.

 

Every Chargers HC since has done no better.

 

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

When you’ve made your mind up, you latch on to things that support your beliefs…..whether they actually help your point, or not.  Please don’t look so closely at the facts, because it sounds good and that’s all we want to know. 

 

McD isn’t just losing to a group of middling HC’s that happened to make the playoffs. He’s mostly losing to a 1st ballot HOF coach with a 1st ballot HOF QB. It’s his job to beat them, but let’s not pretend it’s an easy task. I think he gets over the hump eventually, but we’ll have to wait and see. 

Mr. @Augie with all due respect sir, yes it's not easy to beat Reid.

 

If Reid is playing chess and McDermott is playing checkers, should we try to find a different coach and try something different?

 

It's been 10 years with McDermott. He is 0-5 against the elite teams in the playoffs. 

 

Do we try the same thing over and over and expect a different result (Definition of Insanity)

 

Or do we leap forward in a new spirit of daring and try something different?

 

I think Josh deserves better 

[uticaclub]

33 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Marty Shottenheimer was 5-13 in the playoffs.  He is the only coach in NFL history with 200+ regular season wins and a below .500 playoff winning percentage....by a lot.  That's a .278 winning %.

Just because McDermott hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl doesn't mean he's as bad as the worst playoff coach of all time.

 

Schottenheimer didn't have the advantage of facing 7-seed teams. When excluding his victories against those teams, McDermott's record stands at 3-7, a winning percentage of only .300.

 

Please refrain from using statistics to defend McDermott; there is no evidence to suggest that he will lead the team to a Super Bowl at this point. If we do make it with him, it would be considered an outlier.

 

Edited July 1 by uticaclub