UPDATE: ISRAEL v IRAN - Ceasefire reached?

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[Wacka]

Just saw this a few minutes ago.

 

On June 23, ICE Buffalo arrested Mohammad Rafikian, a 65-year-old Iranian national convicted of grand larceny, schemes to defraud, criminal impersonation and practicing as an attorney.  

 

Probably in Lackawanna.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Wacka

[nedboy7]

How the White House works….  You don’t like the news?  You say a loser leaked it and it was fake news. Seems like how the most influential country in the world should communicate.  I’ve never seen a more brainwashed group eat up every absurd thing that comes out of this demented administration.   A country ran with no advisors and intelligence and a devoted base that thinks everyone intelligent is an arrogant crook thus some dumb ***** tweeting all day is the truth.  

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[Taro T]

7 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Honest question since I of course have no way of knowing what actually happened, nor do any of us here. But since many on the right are blasting any suggestion that the sites weren’t destroyed (by judging the website that posts the story) are you believing they did completely destroy them because Hegseth said they did? Or are you just waiting for more confirmation. Aljzerra is also reporting they have not been destroyed, along with other sources. So, aside from “CNN is biased” (no s.hit) what gives you confidence that the mission was indeed accomplished? 

 

Don't know if they were destroyed or not.  Do know the IAEA has said there is significant damage to at least 4 of the facilities.  There is radiation eminating from at least 2 of them but radiation hasn't been detected beyond the perimeter of any of the facilities.  And they did specifically state that one of the entrances to Fordam was hit and at least 2 strikes hit Natanz.

 

Don't know if the Fordam faciliy was destroyed, but do expect it is under a couple hundred feet of rubble in a worst case.  So, it isn't exactly an easy get back if somehow the 12 - 30,000# bombs didn't penetrate all 300' that the facility was reported to have been originally underground.  

 

And while we're all speculating whether or not the Iranians would've moved uranium after the Israelis first took out their air defenses, it is just as likely, possibly moreso that the Iranians moved uranium TO the Fordam site because it was believed to be inaccessible to the attacks rather than move uranium OUT of that seemingly (at least that was how it was described 3 days ago) unpenetrable facility.

 

But, considering pretty much all "intelligence reports" prior to the raids of these past 2 weeks said that there was no way to knock the Iranian defenses out this easily and that Iran would get support both from its benefactors and from the proxy groups it funds but except for the Yeminis firing a few missiles, NONE of that intelligence was correct; not sure just how reliable those same sources now claming that these strikes were unsuccessful actually are.  They have a vested interest in these raids failing.  Just like the Israelis and the US have a vested interest in them having succeeded.

 

And am going back to the old axiom, NEVER trust reports during the 1st 48 hours of ANY major event.  They're almost always wrong.

 

But considering it is in America's and the world's best interests for the Iranian nuclear program to have been destroyed, will cautiously hope that the early reports stating that's the case happen to be the correct ones.

[stevestojan]

3 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Don't know if they were destroyed or not.  Do know the IAEA has said there is significant damage to at least 4 of the facilities.  There is radiation eminating from at least 2 of them but radiation hasn't been detected beyond the perimeter of any of the facilities.  And they did specifically state that one of the entrances to Fordam was hit and at least 2 strikes hit Natanz.

 

Don't know if the Fordam faciliy was destroyed, but do expect it is under a couple hundred feet of rubble in a worst case.  So, it isn't exactly an easy get back if somehow the 12 - 30,000# bombs didn't penetrate all 300' that the facility was reported to have been originally underground.  

 

And while we're all speculating whether or not the Iranians would've moved uranium after the Israelis first took out their air defenses, it is just as likely, possibly moreso that the Iranians moved uranium TO the Fordam site because it was believed to be inaccessible to the attacks rather than move uranium OUT of that seemingly (at least that was how it was described 3 days ago) unpenetrable facility.

 

But, considering pretty much all "intelligence reports" prior to the raids of these past 2 weeks said that there was no way to knock the Iranian defenses out this easily and that Iran would get support both from its benefactors and from the proxy groups it funds but except for the Yeminis firing a few missiles, NONE of that intelligence was correct; not sure just how reliable those same sources now claming that these strikes were unsuccessful actually are.  They have a vested interest in these raids failing.  Just like the Israelis and the US have a vested interest in them having succeeded.

 

And am going back to the old axiom, NEVER trust reports during the 1st 48 hours of ANY major event.  They're almost always wrong.

 

But considering it is in America's and the world's best interests for the Iranian nuclear program to have been destroyed, will cautiously hope that the early reports stating that's the case happen to be the correct ones.

 

GREAT post. Thank you! Particularly liked the bolded part. Let’s hope Pete is right. And all the incoming reports are wrong. Truly. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

12 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

 

And while we're all speculating whether or not the Iranians would've moved uranium after the Israelis first took out their air defenses, it is just as likely, possibly moreso that the Iranians moved uranium TO the Fordam site because it was believed to be inaccessible to the attacks rather than move uranium OUT of that seemingly (at least that was how it was described 3 days ago) unpenetrable facility.

 

oh stfu you tool 

[Mikie2times]

For as smart as Trump can be at telling a story and misdirection he just flat out encourages this type of push back with how he decides to phrase things. He is the one that linked the success of this mission to total destruction, completely destroying, bla bla. When you constantly use absolute language you leave open a big area that can get challenged. A more measured response and no story. It’s a story because he assured 100% destruction. What his base will eventually land on is “you know what he meant”. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Homelander]

On 6/23/2025 at 7:55 PM, dgrochester55 said:

If you want to separate the liberals who think for themselves and form their own opinions from the TDS people who let the politicians and media behind that movement do the thinking for them, the reaction to this ceasefire should determine that.

 

If admitting that Trump made a good move is more painful than a potential nuclear war, then it is TDS. No one in their right mind should think that avoiding a possible nuclear war and a ceasefire between two nations that could have done a lot of damage to each other is a bad thing.

 

I’m still laughing at this trash. How dare everyone not cheer for Trump like you did with your pom-poms. Deep down, you knew this whole thing was bound to blow up in your face - like it always does.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

UN Nuclear Watchdog Chief: ‘Night and Day’ Difference Between Iran’s Nuclear Capabilities Before and After US Strikes

 

'It is clear that there is one Iran—before June 13, nuclear Iran—and one now,' says IAEA's Rafael Grossi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

17 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

For as smart as Trump can be at telling a story and misdirection he just flat out encourages this type of push back with how he decides to phrase things. He is the one that linked the success of this mission to total destruction, completely destroying, bla bla. When you constantly use absolute language you leave open a big area that can get challenged. A more measured response and no story. It’s a story because he assured 100% destruction. What his base will eventually land on is “you know what he meant”. 

It's his biggest flaw 100% He gets lost in the sauce way too much.

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

It's his biggest flaw 100% He gets lost in the sauce way too much.

 

But today is a great example why he does it.  
 

HE KNEW there would be some media narrative about the strike not being a “success.”   Which it was.  
 

 

 

You get out in front of it.  If they’re lying of course we’ll find out.  Iran could post a dam video of the place tonight if they wanted to.  
 

Its narrative control which Rs let alone Trump never get the benefit of the doubt the way the Auto pen Presidency does.  
 

And sure enough fake news finds some source that said maybe it’s not completely annihilated - and they immediately turn it into what they did.
 

It’s gone.  Done.  Won’t be functional maybe ever.  
 

Trump’s bravado and rhetoric is how he defeated the media and left them dead and buried.  Like Fordow.   

16 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

UN Nuclear Watchdog Chief: ‘Night and Day’ Difference Between Iran’s Nuclear Capabilities Before and After US Strikes

 

'It is clear that there is one Iran—before June 13, nuclear Iran—and one now,' says IAEA's Rafael Grossi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But CNN’s sources said that a coffee maker might still be running in room 7644.  

[Mikie2times]

26 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

But today is a great example why he does it.  
 

HE KNEW there would be some media narrative about the strike not being a “success.”   Which it was.  
 

 

 

You get out in front of it.  If they’re lying of course we’ll find out.  Iran could post a dam video of the place tonight if they wanted to.  
 

Its narrative control which Rs let alone Trump never get the benefit of the doubt the way the Auto pen Presidency does.  
 

And sure enough fake news finds some source that said maybe it’s not completely annihilated - and they immediately turn it into what they did.
 

It’s gone.  Done.  Won’t be functional maybe ever.  
 

Trump’s bravado and rhetoric is how he defeated the media and left them dead and buried.  Like Fordow.   

 

 

But CNN’s sources said that a coffee maker might still be running in room 7644.  

You’re comically brain washed. Some third rate paper throws up a story by some third rate X poster and that discredits what every global news outlet has reported?
 

The truth is probably in the middle but even that is probably hard for you to manage emotionally. As even your source never said it was destroyed. They said set back.
 

Trump and his grand rhetoric are why we are here. He said it was completely destroyed. Which leaves a big hole that anybody can come into. Now both sides are going to say the other is lying. It’s not completely destroyed. Yes it is, well mostly. Well mostly isn’t completely. CNN, fake news. 
 

This country is such a laughing stock. How could it come to this. 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

 

This country is such a laughing stock. How could it come to this. 

The universities.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But Trump said it was completely annihilated.  Or maybe 99 percent.  Oh my God what is wrong with this man!!

[Big Blitz]