ISRAEL V IRAN: Trump just warned everyone should evacuate Tehran

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

LOL!  Better to just call it Naziism, right?

I wish my side would stop using that word too. It’s not applicable. That’s why I use authoritarian instead.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

What I think SHOULD happen? As an ardent non-interventionist, I would have Iran agree to a JCPOA v2.0 crafted by the IAEA. In return, the international community would lift all economic sanctions on Iran, agree to a permanent ceasefire, and impose a worldwide BDS (Boycott, Divestment, and Sanction) policy against Israel if Israel does not oblige. I would also open up all channels of cultural communication with Iran as part of the deal, which would essentially be a “Trojan horse” strategy to foment internal dissent and revolution via secular humanist principles.

Non-intervention would be wonderful if workable.  Another agreement is sensible if there is both carrot and stick to contend with, and an appropriately heavy hand were to come down at the first sign of non-compliance.  Instead, it seems in the past we've got warnings and concerns but precious little else. 

 

I guess my question for you--as a non-interventionist, why do you support intervening via low-key revolution and king-making for the Iranian people?   Why would the current Iranian leadership stand by and accept that approach, any more than they are accepting the direct assault by Israel now? Why not let the Iranian people see it through as they see fit? 

 

 

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Who is the front runner in the NYC mayoral race again?  
 

What’s his platform?  

He’s an idiot who supports rent control. Doesn’t make him a communist, it makes him an idiot. 

[BillsFanNC]

Roundy doesn't like being categorized as a commie tool useful idiot?

 

The truth definitely hurts!

 

 

[aristocrat]

 

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

President Auto Pen

 

 

 

Not one Democrat Presidential nominee has won a primary election since 2008

 

 

 

 

 

You people need to stfu about demo………oh wait oh wait my bad hold up.   
 

Yes, you are correct.  Your version of “democracy” is actually dying in America.  
 

Communism.  Communists talk about democracy all the time.  So yes your American communist bureaucracy is dying.  That’s right.  
 

You better find some more illegals, Chinese vote by mail ballots, and rogue judges to undermine the people to save it.  

Is this from a paid blogger or AI....all posts are the same...hmm

[Roundybout]

44 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Roundy doesn't like being categorized as a commie tool useful idiot?

 

The truth definitely hurts!

 

 

I must be a bad communist because I believe in markets and private property!

[Albwan]

     We could be on the cusp of nuclear war, and thanks to dufus lying commie leftists, this country is divided.

Guess you guys would find out rather quickly that dei, fear of made up white racism, stupid pronouns, forced

trans nonsense and all the rest of the BS have no bearing in real life. 

Good job in dividing the country with hate, tho. You just needed the trump excuse, you are all miserable

nasty people.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

I wish my side would stop using that word too. It’s not applicable. That’s why I use authoritarian instead.

I use Leprechaun.  That way there is no confusion whatsoever, except between the Lucky Charms guy and the Leprechaun from the movie.  I just say "Not the Lucky Charms guy!" when necessary. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Gotcha.

 

Do you feel those under your professional care consistently acknowledged receipt and conveyed understanding via socio-medical relevant verbal/non-verbal cues, in a manner that an objective observer would conclude met the needs of all stakeholders?

Yup.  We tried to stop people from dying or killing others...

26 minutes ago, Albwan said:

     We could be on the cusp of nuclear war, and thanks to dufus lying commie leftists, this country is divided.

Guess you guys would find out rather quickly that dei, fear of made up white racism, stupid pronouns, forced

trans nonsense and all the rest of the BS have no bearing in real life. 

Good job in dividing the country with hate, tho. You just needed the trump excuse, you are all miserable

nasty people.

trump is the single most divisive figure in modern American history.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

President Auto Pen

 

 

 

Not one Democrat Presidential nominee has won a primary election since 2008

 

 

 

 

 

You people need to stfu about demo………oh wait oh wait my bad hold up.   
 

Yes, you are correct.  Your version of “democracy” is actually dying in America.  
 

Communism.  Communists talk about democracy all the time.  So yes your American communist bureaucracy is dying.  That’s right.  
 

You better find some more illegals, Chinese vote by mail ballots, and rogue judges to undermine the people to save it.  

I keep telling you small minded mental midgets that all national topics must be seen through the global prism.  If the dollar loses reserve status or we can't pay the interest on the debt, we're done as a global economic power, which after all, is the most important source of power.  The big ugly bill pushes us further toward that end at a critical juncture.  And the fiscally conservative "Republicans" cower with their hands in their pockets.  Meanwhile, a large percentage of maga voters yell "communism" and socialism while feeding at the medicaid, food stamps, welfare, disability trough.  It's all a shell game.  Medicaid maga's are going to find out soon.  But one thing is obvious:  Freedom does not mean to maga's what it meant to the founding fathers. You want freedom for your tribe and not for anyone else.

[Roundybout]

51 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I use Leprechaun.  That way there is no confusion whatsoever, except between the Lucky Charms guy and the Leprechaun from the movie.  I just say "Not the Lucky Charms guy!" when necessary. 

Well “Nazi” refers to members of the National Socialist Party of Germany, so it’s not really applicable to people who do not pledge to be parts of that group 

[ComradeKayAdams]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Non-intervention would be wonderful if workable.  Another agreement is sensible if there is both carrot and stick to contend with, and an appropriately heavy hand were to come down at the first sign of non-compliance.  Instead, it seems in the past we've got warnings and concerns but precious little else. 

 

I guess my question for you--as a non-interventionist, why do you support intervening via low-key revolution and king-making for the Iranian people?   Why would the current Iranian leadership stand by and accept that approach, any more than they are accepting the direct assault by Israel now? Why not let the Iranian people see it through as they see fit? 

 

International economic sanctions would serve as the carrot and the stick. A “kinetic” approach shouldn’t be necessary because the IAEA found Iran fully compliant during the JCPOA v1.0. Iran’s era of non-compliance began after Trump suddenly reneged on the deal.

 

“Intervening via low-key revolution and king-making” is still letting the Iranians decide for themselves how they want to be governed. ~80% of Iranians are already dissatisfied with a theocracy. Basically, Iranian women can come visit me in NYC and watch my TikTok videos on how to wear bell-sleeved floral-patterned skater dresses while haughtily flipping one’s hair out in public, on the way to one’s appointment to abort one’s rapist’s baby. Iranians will want to live like Kay because who wouldn’t?? This is the extent of the revolution fomentation: simply opening up channels of communication (internet, travel, etc.) that promote the awesomeness of secular humanism and the American Bill of Rights. Iran’s government would theoretically agree to this because it would be part of the prospective international peace deal.

 

And while I’m proposing theoretical solutions, allow me to expound on an additional carrot we are morally obligated to dangle in front of Iran: the full dismantlement of the genocidal Zionist project…a new one-state solution, under equally full IAEA surveillance as Iran, and with all Israeli government war criminals sent to The Hague. This would make the Houthis and Hezbollah happy, too, to go along with their Abraham Accords brethren and the rest of the Middle East (if they’re all being honest with their feelings about the psychopathic country that is Israel).

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Yup.  We tried to stop people from dying or killing others...

Me too! 

[SectionC3]

39 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I keep telling you small minded mental midgets that all national topics must be seen through the global prism.  If the dollar loses reserve status or we can't pay the interest on the debt, we're done as a global economic power, which after all, is the most important source of power.  The big ugly bill pushes us further toward that end at a critical juncture.  And the fiscally conservative "Republicans" cower with their hands in their pockets.  Meanwhile, a large percentage of maga voters yell "communism" and socialism while feeding at the medicaid, food stamps, welfare, disability trough.  It's all a shell game.  Medicaid maga's are going to find out soon.  But one thing is obvious:  Freedom does not mean to maga's what it meant to the founding fathers. You want freedom for your tribe and not for anyone else.

One of the best posts in the history of this forum.  Spot on. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

29 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Well “Nazi” refers to members of the National Socialist Party of Germany, so it’s not really applicable to people who do not pledge to be parts of that group 

Right, but they're a scary bunch, too, like the Leprechaun. 

[muppy]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

So you still have hope for your communist party.  
 

Because of a special election or 2 in March or April of an off year?  
 

No disputing exactly what we mean when we say democracy vs what the machine (you rooted for it) says about democracy.  
 

Ok.  Got it.   

what would you call a president who blatantly ignores constitutional provisions and does what HE wants regardless of the law

 

Ill wait

 

he and his idipt minions Noem and Hegseth mouth the words they follow it  but do they?

 

PFFT HELL NO THEY DONT

 

spare me the commie label it is tired and Boring

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I keep telling you small minded mental midgets that all national topics must be seen through the global prism.  If the dollar loses reserve status or we can't pay the interest on the debt, we're done as a global economic power, which after all, is the most important source of power.  The big ugly bill pushes us further toward that end at a critical juncture.  And the fiscally conservative "Republicans" cower with their hands in their pockets.  Meanwhile, a large percentage of maga voters yell "communism" and socialism while feeding at the medicaid, food stamps, welfare, disability trough.  It's all a shell game.  Medicaid maga's are going to find out soon.  But one thing is obvious:  Freedom does not mean to maga's what it meant to the founding fathers. You want freedom for your tribe and not for anyone else.

 

How do you think the last Admin did WRT those objectives?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

23 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

How do you think the last Admin did WRT those objectives?

better than trump 1

As of April 2024, President Joe Biden has increased the national debt by $6.17 trillion throughout his presidency.

 

The debt increased by $8.18 trillion during Donald Trump’s presidency, but experts say a large proportion of this was due to relief during the coronavirus pandemic.  

 

but now we're 8 years down the road, far removed from the pandemic and supposedly being bolstered by tariffs and a soon to be booming economy per sec treasury.  R's are in control, cutting services while projected  to add trillions more in deficits.  not good.

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I keep telling you small minded mental midgets that all national topics must be seen through the global prism.  If the dollar loses reserve status or we can't pay the interest on the debt, we're done as a global economic power, which after all, is the most important source of power.  The big ugly bill pushes us further toward that end at a critical juncture.  And the fiscally conservative "Republicans" cower with their hands in their pockets.  Meanwhile, a large percentage of maga voters yell "communism" and socialism while feeding at the medicaid, food stamps, welfare, disability trough.  It's all a shell game.  Medicaid maga's are going to find out soon.  But one thing is obvious:  Freedom does not mean to maga's what it meant to the founding fathers. You want freedom for your tribe and not for anyone else.

 

What in the holy hell are you talking about?

 

My God you people are completely lost.  

 

 

For tips on surviving the Trump era, I propose transferring funds from the LGBTWWIKB+ hotline and set up a 24/7 TDS one.