Max Hairston injury

[Dan]

19 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Yea why was this even a consideration/conversation today?

 

Never expected that window to be opened before the bye if it wasn’t opened by week 2.  
 

Which I was also not expecting.  

Because about half this board has been saying …since the last preseason game… that he’s going to come back, and a week later  be the starter that saves our defense.   

[HamptonBillsfan]

51 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

I'm not sure we can get anything exactly right on that side of the ball...

 

Benford was a great pick as a 6th rounder... But... That's a 6th round pick... If we were really that smart we would have taken him a lot sooner... And if our 1st round pick that year is even an average CB we are light years ahead of where we are now...

 

In the 1st-3rd rounds of the 2022-2024 Drafts our best pick on Defense (so far because we don't really know anything about the rookies yet) is Bernard who is definitely a good player as a leader and where turnovers are concerned, but also has size limitations that show up often at MLB. Outside of Bernard, McBean added Elam who completely busted out, Dorian Williams who is massively inconsistent, Cole Bishop who looks to be improving at least...but let's be honest...he is no where near what the Bills thought he would be at this point. Then there is DeWayne Carter... And that's it...

Since 2022 after the 3rd Round they added Benford...great! Alex Austin who they let get away... Could have really used him as depth these past couple years. Javon Solomon who seems to be just an undersized special teamer. And lastly Edefuan Ulofoshio who they cut. 

So during the 3 KEY off seasons when logic was screaming to McBeane that their top tier guys on D were going to age out, the Bills basically added the three B's, Benford, Bernard, and Bishop in the Draft before 2025, and a couple JAG's... That's it... And that is a REALLY tough way to keep up unless you are knocking it out of the park with UFA deals. And they're not... 

great objective analysis , thank you

[Augie]

3 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

I met with some pushback when I criticized the 1st rd selection of Hairston from the standpoint of him being slight and not being a willing tackler. Now he looks like a question mark to recover in time to play this season in a meaningful way. Judging by our defensive drafts in recent years, Beane and the scouting department have to be questioned. Isn’t part of drafting knowing whether players have a history of being injury prone? Toughness and playing through injuries define good players in the NFL.Hairston, Strong, Hancock. Tucker, Turner, have all been unable to get on the field enough to contribute. Other than Rousseau, Bernard and Benford, who has cracked the lineup or made any positive impact in the last 5 years? Compare that to what the Rams, Chiefs, Packers or Texans have accomplished with their defensive drafts? The offensive side of the drafts is a different story but why have a defensive minded coach if his defensive drafts stink? 

 

The Packers D has been good so far, but they have only scored 104 points in 5 games, compared to our 153 points. The Rams, Chiefs and Texans have only given up 5-6 points total fewer than the Bills thru 5 games. That’s pretty darn close. I know you want your complaining to be justified, but we are not as miserable as you’d like us to think.

 

Could we hit on more top players in the draft? Sure. Most teams will tell you the same thing. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Factor in his being investigated for criminal sexual assault and burglary

 

Being investigated isn't a crime nor is it even evidence that one committed a crime. I thought as a society we had moved past that brief social endemic of guilty until proven innocent.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Being investigated isn't a crime nor is it even evidence that one committed a crime. I thought as a society we had moved past that brief social endemic of guilty until proven innocent.

Did you really?

[HappyDays]

48 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Tre is here to stay pretty much the whole season. In my opinion Dorian Strong should have continued starting after Ravens game but McD don’t work that way. 

 

I actually think Strong would have been starting by now. They temporarily benched Tre in the Saints game and Strong looked good in the snaps he was taking. Unfortunately the neck injury screwed it all up. Nothing we can do now but hope that McDermott trusts Hairston ASAP. Can't say I'm overly optimistic that will happen based on history. I for one would much rather watch Hairston make rookie mistakes on the field than watch a player that cannot physically perform at the position. I'm not sure McDermott agrees. Fingers crossed that he sees the light and makes the necessary change.

[GroteStreet]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I actually think Strong would have been starting by now. They temporarily benched Tre in the Saints game and Strong looked good in the snaps he was taking. Unfortunately the neck injury screwed it all up. Nothing we can do now but hope that McDermott trusts Hairston ASAP. Can't say I'm overly optimistic that will happen based on history. I for one would much rather watch Hairston make rookie mistakes on the field than watch a player that cannot physically perform at the position. I'm not sure McDermott agrees. Fingers crossed that he sees the light and makes the necessary change.

McDermott would rather see a physically broken down corner (who is one of his favorites and used to be excellent) get beat on every play than see a rookie with great physical tools not know his assignment on one or two plays a game.

[TheBrownBear]

1 minute ago, GroteStreet said:

McDermott would rather see a physically broken down corner (who is one of his favorites and used to be excellent) get beat on every play than see a rookie with great physical tools not know his assignment on one or two plays a game.

Yeah, that's why we released Tre after 2023 and drafted Benford, Elam, Hairston, Strong (I'm sure there's others too that I'm forgetting) since 2022.  Tre is playing because Hairston and Strong are injured.  Also, Strong (a 6th round pick) was already starting to eat into Tre's reps by week 4.

 

This dumb narrative only exists because he refused to play Elam (and to a lesser extent Bishop), which we now know was the correct decision since he absolutely sucks.

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

You’re gonna ride this horse into the ground aren’t you…, lol, I can’t wait for the next installment 🍿🍿, should be rife with half truths and innuendo,  we all know that the Bills are one of the least successful teams in the league with literally zero drafting success, and of course a losing record, oh, and don’t forget to add that they haven’t beaten any “good” teams in your next post.  
 

GO BILLS!!!

That passive aggressive sarcasm doesn’t make for a debate. Try listing who the Bills have beaten the last 3 seasons in the playoffs. Regular season doesn’t count when you have Josh and a good O-line. Let’s see, Tua, and the 3rd stringer Skyler Thompson for Miami, a washed up Rivers for Indy, who subsequently retired, Mason Rudolph led Pittsburgh team, Denver and their rookie QB, Mack Jones led Patriots and Lamar, who never wins a big game. Against KC and a Burrow led Bengals team, 0and 4. Bottom line the defense has let Josh, and our great fanbase down. Bad defensive drafts are big part of it.

[Augie]

34 minutes ago, GroteStreet said:

McDermott would rather see a physically broken down corner (who is one of his favorites and used to be excellent) get beat on every play than see a rookie with great physical tools not know his assignment on one or two plays a game.

 

Hyperbole much? 

[sunshynman]

If draft picks where guaranteed, they would never be traded. We would never have player trades. The draft is a team drafting on past work and potential after lots of time spent listing players pro/cons, attitude, moxy, etc. every team swings and misses. Sometimes injury or other factors negate a good pick. Sometimes there's absolute studs that come in the later rounds. The great Eagles D looked like poo last night.

[RobbRiddick]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Being investigated isn't a crime nor is it even evidence that one committed a crime. 

Exactly right. In the end it didn't matter what my neighbor claimed she saw. The cops looked at all the evidence and concluded I was simply spooning our pet Bassett hound because I was cold

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

The Packers D has been good so far, but they have only scored 104 points in 5 games, compared to our 153 points. The Rams, Chiefs and Texans have only given up 5-6 points total fewer than the Bills thru 5 games. That’s pretty darn close. I know you want your complaining to be justified, but we are not as miserable as you’d like us to think.

 

Could we hit on more top players in the draft? Sure. Most teams will tell you the same thing. 

Unfortunately you’re missing the point. We’re talking about getting over the hurdle, winning it all in the Josh era. Dominating the Jets, Miami, NO should be a given. What defensive players in the last 3 drafts have made any impact?  This year again, we went in knowing that we weren’t resigning Douglas and drafted 3 corners that either will not play or produce this season.Bishop has been a disappointment and the D-lineman drafted Tucker and Turner can’t get on the field.

 

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Being investigated isn't a crime nor is it even evidence that one committed a crime. I thought as a society we had moved past that brief social endemic of guilty until proven innocent.

You sound like the public defenders department. The guy was investigated for rape and burglary. The fact that they didn’t bring a case is common with rape investigations. The victim goes through an ordeal of a trial especially when the accused is a big time athlete with resources. After not bringing a case in 2021, they reopened an investigation federally against him this year. Beane and every other GM were aware of multiple investigations. It’s your prerogative to defend Hairston if you wish, but with his shortcomings( one productive season 2023 at Kentucky, his reputation as soft against the run, not a willing tackler) and slight stature, makes you question why waste a 1st round pick on him.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

After not bringing a case in 2021, they reopened an investigation federally against him this year.

 

This is just flat out wrong.

 

3 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

You sound like the public defenders department. The guy was investigated for rape and burglary. The fact that they didn’t bring a case is common with rape investigations.

 

It isn't for us to decide whether or not he is guilty. That's what the justice system is for. It isn't a perfect system but it is a system and that's a hell of a lot better than mob justice. Do I take allegations seriously? Absolutely. Do I automatically believe them wholesale? Absolutely not.

[HamptonBillsfan]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

This is just flat out wrong.

 

 

It isn't for us to decide whether or not he is guilty. That's what the justice system is for. It isn't a perfect system but it is a system and that's a hell of a lot better than mob justice. Do I take allegations seriously? Absolutely. Do I automatically believe them wholesale? Absolutely not.

My point is that this guy is not good enough to warrant the 1st round selection. Maybe he will contribute in time but correct my if I’m wrong, a 1st round pick should help a team year one. He won’t hit the field until after the bye if at all.

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

My point is that this guy is not good enough to warrant the 1st round selection. Maybe he will contribute in time but correct my if I’m wrong, a 1st round pick should help a team year one. He won’t hit the field until after the bye if at all.

 

Yeah 1st round picks should contribute early, except when they suffer non contact knee injuries in training camp. It royally sucks but it wasn't a failure of scouting. The value of the pick will be determined on the field.

[HamptonBillsfan]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah 1st round picks should contribute early, except when they suffer non contact knee injuries in training camp. It royally sucks but it wasn't a failure of scouting. The value of the pick will be determined on the field.

He’s slight, he’s brittle and he’s got character issues, which Sean and Beane used to care about. Contact me when he hits the field. Until then could we acquire someone to play next to Benford before the deadline.

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

That passive aggressive sarcasm doesn’t make for a debate. Try listing who the Bills have beaten the last 3 seasons in the playoffs. Regular season doesn’t count when you have Josh and a good O-line. Let’s see, Tua, and the 3rd stringer Skyler Thompson for Miami, a washed up Rivers for Indy, who subsequently retired, Mason Rudolph led Pittsburgh team, Denver and their rookie QB, Mack Jones led Patriots and Lamar, who never wins a big game. Against KC and a Burrow led Bengals team, 0and 4. Bottom line the defense has let Josh, and our great fanbase down. Bad defensive drafts are big part of it.

LOL, you’re the best, 

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

he’s got character issues

 

He doesn't. He had one allegation when he was 18 years old and no charges were ever filed. Besides that he's known to be a great teammate, high energy, studious with a strong work ethic. You're seeing red because he suffered a non contact knee injury. Even if he hadn't it's week 6 of his NFL career. Let it play out.

[BillsFanForever19]

43 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

My point is that this guy is not good enough to warrant the 1st round selection. Maybe he will contribute in time but correct my if I’m wrong, a 1st round pick should help a team year one. He won’t hit the field until after the bye if at all.

 

As a Draft prospect, he absolutely warranted the 30th pick in the Draft. Not all 1st round picks are created equal. Our 1sts since 2019 are closer to 2nd's.