These utility bills are too dang high

[Johnny Hammersticks]

30 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Maybe if your wife didn’t keep the bagels in the toaster so long, your bill would be a little more reasonable. 
 

Might have to invest in a solar powered toaster if she keeps it up, Guys!  🤬

[Steptide]

I know someone who got 2 electric bills for $1200. This was in a 2 bedroom apartment. Rochester gas and electric basically shrugged their shoulders and said pay it. I'm very surprised these electric bills arnt a bigger topic. Obviously something isn't right 

[ALF]

Called NYSEG about huge increase over last year but same usage. They said cost of natural gas almost doubled and a lot of electricity is produced by natural gas plants. Delivery costs more due to upgrade of old grid .  Exporting liquified  nat gas is more profitable due to boycott of Russian nat gas. New smart meter is not the problem. 

[Shamrock]

Don’t visit Australia then!

 

We sell gas to Japan, made an energy guarantee deal. They don’t pay tax on 56% of the gas they get. They have so much they can re-sell to Korea and Taiwan, oh, and they sell it back to us! 
 

Our government sux.

[Steptide]

5 hours ago, ALF said:

Called NYSEG about huge increase over last year but same usage. They said cost of natural gas almost doubled and a lot of electricity is produced by natural gas plants. Delivery costs more due to upgrade of old grid .  Exporting liquified  nat gas is more profitable due to boycott of Russian nat gas. New smart meter is not the problem. 

Problem is, natural gas isn't what's making the bills high, it's the electricity part of it. Gas really hasent gone up that much in the last few years, electricity has 

[ALF]

21 hours ago, Steptide said:

Problem is, natural gas isn't what's making the bills high, it's the electricity part of it. Gas really hasent gone up that much in the last few years, electricity has 

 

Ok this is my NYSEG bill in Niagara County  , Same usage 4/24 and 4/25 ,    $263  4/24 ,   $437  4/25

 

4/24 Gas supply $.29 per unit  ,   4/25  $.61 per unit

 

4/24 Elec supply  $.065 per KWH   4/25  $.12 per KWH

 

cost of natural gas supply doubled causing electric supply to double (approx)

 

Natural gas runs most electric supply plants.  You can shop for different suppliers at fixed or variable price thru ESCO , but delivery company stays the same , for me NYSEG  . This is just my bill as an example , your supply and delivery costs can be a lot different. I use NYSEG variable cost  electric and natural gas supplies.

 

AI Overview

In 2023, natural gas accounted for 43% of electricity generation in the United States. This makes it the single-largest source of energy used for electricity generation in the country.

Edited May 27 by ALF

[Steptide]

9 hours ago, ALF said:

 

Ok this is my NYSEG bill in Niagara County  , Same usage 4/24 and 4/25 ,    $263  4/24 ,   $437  4/25

 

4/24 Gas supply $.29 per unit  ,   4/25  $.61 per unit

 

4/24 Elec supply  $.065 per KWH   4/25  $.12 per KWH

 

cost of natural gas supply doubled causing electric supply to double (approx)

 

Natural gas runs most electric supply plants.  You can shop for different suppliers at fixed or variable price thru ESCO , but delivery company stays the same , for me NYSEG  . This is just my bill as an example , your supply and delivery costs can be a lot different. I use NYSEG variable cost  electric and natural gas supplies.

 

AI Overview

In 2023, natural gas accounted for 43% of electricity generation in the United States. This makes it the single-largest source of energy used for electricity generation in the country.

You're probably right. I'm not an expert by any means. Looking at my bills, the gas portion has stayed pretty much the same, it's the electric part that has gone through the roof. Either way it's absurd. People getting bills for thousands of dollars is crazy. Something is whack 

[TBBills Fan]

10 hours ago, ALF said:

 

Ok this is my NYSEG bill in Niagara County  , Same usage 4/24 and 4/25 ,    $263  4/24 ,   $437  4/25

 

4/24 Gas supply $.29 per unit  ,   4/25  $.61 per unit

 

4/24 Elec supply  $.065 per KWH   4/25  $.12 per KWH

 

cost of natural gas supply doubled causing electric supply to double (approx)

 

Natural gas runs most electric supply plants.  You can shop for different suppliers at fixed or variable price thru ESCO , but delivery company stays the same , for me NYSEG  . This is just my bill as an example , your supply and delivery costs can be a lot different. I use NYSEG variable cost  electric and natural gas supplies.

 

AI Overview

In 2023, natural gas accounted for 43% of electricity generation in the United States. This makes it the single-largest source of energy used for electricity generation in the country.

Just wait to you see how much your electric supply cost with NYSEG is in November, December, January and Feb. Last year it was peaking close to 30 cents per kWh

 

I have clients that don't take into account how much of their usage occurs during those months when they charge you 4-5 times more than throughout the rest of the year 

 

The smart ones do, the ones that aren't so smart are like well your fixed rate is about what I'm paying now in April, so we will ride out.  Ok good luck on that 

Edited May 27 by TBBills Fan

[EmotionallyUnstable]

On 5/27/2025 at 5:23 AM, ALF said:

 

Ok this is my NYSEG bill in Niagara County  , Same usage 4/24 and 4/25 ,    $263  4/24 ,   $437  4/25

 

4/24 Gas supply $.29 per unit  ,   4/25  $.61 per unit

 

4/24 Elec supply  $.065 per KWH   4/25  $.12 per KWH

 

cost of natural gas supply doubled causing electric supply to double (approx)

 

Natural gas runs most electric supply plants.  You can shop for different suppliers at fixed or variable price thru ESCO , but delivery company stays the same , for me NYSEG  . This is just my bill as an example , your supply and delivery costs can be a lot different. I use NYSEG variable cost  electric and natural gas supplies.

 

AI Overview

In 2023, natural gas accounted for 43% of electricity generation in the United States. This makes it the single-largest source of energy used for electricity generation in the country.

Does NYSEG supply your gas? We have them for electric but Nat Fuel for gas supply 

[ALF]

5 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Does NYSEG supply your gas? We have them for electric but Nat Fuel for gas supply 

Yes NYSEG supplies our gas. Nat Fuel has rebates  to replace gas appliances that I wish I had , they are a good co.

[Just Jack]

National Grid has a Budget Plan, where they will take the average of the last 12 months, and that is what you pay each month till they readjust it, typically every 3-6 months. That way there are no big swings in your bill each month. I've been doing it for years/decades. 

 

Budget Plan | National Grid

[CoudyBills]

On 5/27/2025 at 5:23 AM, ALF said:

 

Ok this is my NYSEG bill in Niagara County  , Same usage 4/24 and 4/25 ,    $263  4/24 ,   $437  4/25

 

4/24 Gas supply $.29 per unit  ,   4/25  $.61 per unit

 

4/24 Elec supply  $.065 per KWH   4/25  $.12 per KWH

 

cost of natural gas supply doubled causing electric supply to double (approx)

 

Natural gas runs most electric supply plants.  You can shop for different suppliers at fixed or variable price thru ESCO , but delivery company stays the same , for me NYSEG  . This is just my bill as an example , your supply and delivery costs can be a lot different. I use NYSEG variable cost  electric and natural gas supplies.

 

AI Overview

In 2023, natural gas accounted for 43% of electricity generation in the United States. This makes it the single-largest source of energy used for electricity generation in the country.

The same ai overview from Google would show a steep decline in lng spot prices from 2022 to 2023, and another decline in 2024, with a moderate recovery into 2025.  LNG prices have remained nearly flat for a couple years.

[RichStadiumGuy]

Looks like some of you NYSEG customers (depending on your location) are in for a rebate.

 

https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/news/nyseg-customers-to-get-rebate-after-settlement/article_8290bc78-67a1-434d-8634-03fd52f84a0d.html

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

On 6/6/2025 at 6:24 AM, RichStadiumGuy said:

Looks like some of you NYSEG customers (depending on your location) are in for a rebate.

 

https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/news/nyseg-customers-to-get-rebate-after-settlement/article_8290bc78-67a1-434d-8634-03fd52f84a0d.html

 

Thanks for posting.

 

So messed up how they just bleed money from customers unknowingly and the average joe foots the bill. Corruption at its finest. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Thanks for posting.

 

So messed up how they just bleed money from customers unknowingly and the average joe foots the bill. Corruption at its finest. 

Yeah... What are they gonna do?  Have their heat turned off, electricity shut down... Got 'em over a barrel.

 

"...And there's winners, and there's losers
But they ain't no big deal
'Cause the simple man baby pays the thrills,
The bills and the pills that kill..."

[ALF]

NYSEG operates approximately 35,000 miles of electric distribution lines and 4,500 miles of electric transmission lines across more than 40% of upstate New York. We also operate more than 8,150 miles of natural gas distribution pipelines and 20 miles of gas transmission pipelines. 

 

NYSEG is a subsidiary of AVANGRID, Inc. Avangrid Networks combines the resources and expertise of eight electric and natural gas utilities with an $11.7 billion rate base serving 3.3 million customers in New York and New England.

RG&E is a subsidiary of AVANGRID, Inc

 

Avangrid is a member of the group of companies controlled by Iberdrola, S.A. For more information, visit www.avangrid.com.

Iberdrola, S.A. is a Spanish multinational electric utility company based in Bilbao, Spain.