Is Daquan Jones a cut candidate?

[BillsFanForever19]

8 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

You may care about 5 million in cap savings come the trade deadline if we need to bring someone in.

 

There's a number of ways that we can come up with money, and a pretty fair amount, without having to cut anyone of value.

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

I saw a couple news outlets that suggest Jones could be cut.  There are several reasons to think this could happen.  First, Jones wasn't very effective last season and his lack of effectiveness could have made Ed Oliver less effective too.   He'll be 34 years old and it would be difficult to argue he's going to get better.  Second, Buffalo could save some meaningful money under the cap by cutting him, $5.5 million according to observers. 

 

There is one good reason I can think of not to cut him.  Daquan Jones is a natural 1 tech.  The only other one tech on the roster is Zion Logue.  Even Deone Walker, whom the Bills presumably drafted to take Jones' place, was not really a natural one tech at Kentucky.  He played all over the d-line, and a minority of snaps at 1 tech.  His game has not really been tying up guards and centers to make life easier for the 3 tech and linebackers.  Keeping Jones would give the Bills a veteran presence to mentor Walker and give the Bills some stability at one tech while Walker gets acclimated.  Clearly, the Bills are going to move, whether by choice or necessity, toward a less defined role for their interior d-lineman.  I don't think long term they are going to have a pure 1 tech and 3 tech.  Hopefully, however they scheme it, they will be able to both control the run game and put pressure on the QB better than they did in 2024.

 

So, what do you think.  Is Jones a goner come September?

Definitely after our two suspensions come back.

[akcash]

Absolutely not if healthy. We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. He’s got enough of the right stuff in the tank where cannot cut him.

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

I could see him being a cut candidate after the suspensions.  He’s worth a spot as a veteran to the rookies in the meantime 

The cap savings aren’t huge and with Larry O’s suspension they don’t reallly have a 5th DT to supplant him. It’s Ed, the two draft picks, and Carter and Larry O who’s suspended for the first third of a season. 
 

So unless a undrafted or lesser known player is really turning it up I can’t see the bills moving on from Daquon 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

As others have said, I can't see him getting cut this year.  Even after they bring back the two PED cheats, he is still the only true 1 tech guy on the roster.  Yes they want to make Carter and Walker 1 tech DT's but that is really hard to do.  Carter was so bad he didn't dress the second half of the season.  

 

Of the current DL on the roster that might get cut, I think Epenesa is the most likely target.  If Bosa makes it through TC unscathed then you already have two starters at DE.  With Solomon and Jackson you have two young pass rushers.  

 

The final 9 will be:

 

Bosa

Oliver

DQ

Rousseau

Carter

Walker

Sanders

Solomon

Jackson

 

I don't see them carrying 10 DL until the PED cheats come back.  They will use the extra roster spot to carry an extra DB.  When the cheats come back, they will have a tough decision to make.  They will probably find one of rookies to go to IR or maybe cut Solomon and see if they can sneak him back on PS.    

 

 

 

 

[BarleyNY]

6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The cap savings aren’t huge and with Larry O’s suspension they don’t reallly have a 5th DT to supplant him. It’s Ed, the two draft picks, and Carter and Larry O who’s suspended for the first third of a season. 
 

So unless a undrafted or lesser known player is really turning it up I can’t see the bills moving on from Daquon 

 

I agree. And Larry wasn’t really any better than Daquon last season. So with the only other option at 1 Tech being a rookie I do not see the team moving off Daquon unless he looks totally washed in camp. 

[Senth]

He's got 1 year left in him.

[billsfan89]

20 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

As others have said, I can't see him getting cut this year.  Even after they bring back the two PED cheats, he is still the only true 1 tech guy on the roster.  Yes they want to make Carter and Walker 1 tech DT's but that is really hard to do.  Carter was so bad he didn't dress the second half of the season.  

 

Of the current DL on the roster that might get cut, I think Epenesa is the most likely target.  If Bosa makes it through TC unscathed then you already have two starters at DE.  With Solomon and Jackson you have two young pass rushers.  

 

The final 9 will be:

 

Bosa

Oliver

DQ

Rousseau

Carter

Walker

Sanders

Solomon

Jackson

 

I don't see them carrying 10 DL until the PED cheats come back.  They will use the extra roster spot to carry an extra DB.  When the cheats come back, they will have a tough decision to make.  They will probably find one of rookies to go to IR or maybe cut Solomon and see if they can sneak him back on PS.    

 

 

 

 

The Bills typically carry 11 DL. I don’t see them going any less than 10 to start the season with two on suspension. I think they likely are gonna expect one injury to start the season in 6 games which will allow them to go from 9 back up to 11. 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

As others have said, I can't see him getting cut this year.  Even after they bring back the two PED cheats, he is still the only true 1 tech guy on the roster.  Yes they want to make Carter and Walker 1 tech DT's but that is really hard to do.  Carter was so bad he didn't dress the second half of the season.  

 

Of the current DL on the roster that might get cut, I think Epenesa is the most likely target.  If Bosa makes it through TC unscathed then you already have two starters at DE.  With Solomon and Jackson you have two young pass rushers.  

 

The final 9 will be:

 

Bosa

Oliver

DQ

Rousseau

Carter

Walker

Sanders

Solomon

Jackson

 

I don't see them carrying 10 DL until the PED cheats come back.  They will use the extra roster spot to carry an extra DB.  When the cheats come back, they will have a tough decision to make.  They will probably find one of rookies to go to IR or maybe cut Solomon and see if they can sneak him back on PS.    

 

We carry at least 10. We carried 6 DE's in 2023 and 6 DT's in 2024. We carried 11 both seasons, at times in 2023 we carried 12.

 

Guaranteed we keep more than just 9. Beyond just recent history, 9 is not enough for all 4 spots total to cover injuries with how often we rotate. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept all 12 when Hoecht and Ogunjobi return and all 10 are still healthy come Week 8.

Edited 4 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Ethan in Cleveland]

15 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The Bills typically carry 11 DL. I don’t see them going any less than 10 to start the season with two on suspension. I think they likely are gonna expect one injury to start the season in 6 games which will allow them to go from 9 back up to 11. 

I went back and checked the final 53. It was 10 in 2024 and ten in 2023.  

I think they get to 10 when Ogunjobi and Hoecht come back.  I think there are just too many question marks in the the defensive backfield not to carry an extra guy there.  They will have four veterans in DQ, Bosa, Oliver, and Rousseau. 

If they keep 10 to start the year then Epenesa will make the final 53.

[BigAl2526]

Zion Logue is more of a 1 tech than a 3 tech.  However, he was only a UDFA las year, did not make the 53 man roster and I don't think he played a single down in the regular season.  He carries a little more mass than most of the DTs on the roster (the exceptions being Walker and Jones) but he's long and relatively lean.  I don't see any way that the Bills would want to lean on him as a veteran presence.   The Bills are trying Carter at 1 tech as I guess they were disappointed in his 3 tech work.  The question is whether or not he can get stronger and maybe add a few pounds.  He's listed as 305 lbs   He would be a smallish 1 tech. My own guess is that Buffalo will carry 5 DTs initially: Oliver, Sanders, Walker, Jones and  Carter.  Once Ogunjobe has served his suspension, that's subject to change.  If Jones stinks and Walker seems like he's getting it, The Bills could cut Jones at that point.  Who knows?  Zion Logue could sparkle in training camp and the preseason and force his way into the Bills' thinking.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We carry at least 10. We carried 6 DE's 12 in 2023 and 6 DT's in 2024. We carried 11 both seasons, at times in 2023 we carried 12. Guaranteed we keep more than just 9. Beyond just recent history, with how often we rotate, 9 is not enough for all 4 spots total.

Nope. I went back and looked. It was five and five each of those years.  At least that is how the initial 53 breakdown was. Maybe through the course of the year it changed. 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2023/08/29/2023-buffalo-bills-53-man-roster-roster-cuts-brandon-beane-nfl/79143074007/

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2024/08/29/buffalo-bills-full-roster-practice-squad-2024/74990566007/

[BillsFanForever19]

30 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I went back and checked the final 53. It was 10 in 2024 and ten in 2023.  

I think they get to 10 when Ogunjobi and Hoecht come back.  I think there are just too many question marks in the the defensive backfield not to carry an extra guy there.  They will have four veterans in DQ, Bosa, Oliver, and Rousseau. 

If they keep 10 to start the year then Epenesa will make the final 53.

 

Look harder.

 

In 2024, we ended the season with Groot, Epenesa, Von, Smoot, and Solomon at DE. Oliver, Jones, Johnson, Carter, Phillips, and Jefferson at DT. That's 11.

 

2023 we ended the season with Groot, Floyd, Von, Epenesa, Shaq, and Jonathan at DE. Oliver, Jones, Settle, Joseph, and Ford at DT. Again, that's 11.

 

27 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Nope. I went back and looked. It was five and five each of those years.  At least that is how the initial 53 breakdown was. Maybe through the course of the year it changed. 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2023/08/29/2023-buffalo-bills-53-man-roster-roster-cuts-brandon-beane-nfl/79143074007/

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2024/08/29/buffalo-bills-full-roster-practice-squad-2024/74990566007/

 

The only reason it's 10 in 2023 is bc Von was on PUP. When he came back, they added him and cut no one.

 

And even if they started at 10 (only technically in 2023) and ended at 11 both seasons - the fact still remains, 9 is shorthanded. Especially when you consider a third of them are developing Rookies who have yet to play a down in the NFL.

 

10 is the bare minimum for how our Defensive Line operates and rotates.

 

As for carrying an extra DB - if you create your own 53 based on the roster we have now, you can easily do both carrying an extra DB and 10 DL. On my 53, I easily fit 10 DL and 11 DB's.

Edited 4 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Look harder.

 

In 2024, we ended the season with Groot, Epenesa, Von, Smoot, and Solomon at DE. Oliver, Jones, Johnson, Carter, Phillips, and Jefferson at DT. That's 11.

 

2023 we ended the season with Groot, Floyd, Von, Epenesa, Shaq, and Jonathan at DE. Oliver, Jones, Settle, Joseph, and Ford. Again, that's 11.

 

 

The only reason it's 10 in 2023 is bc Von was on PUP. When he came back, they added him and cut no one.

 

And even if they started at 10 (only technically in 2023) and ended at 11 both seasons - the fact still remains, 9 is shorthanded.

Ended the season is different than the initial 53 which is what I posted.  It was 10 each of those years for week 1.   In 2024 both Smoot and Carter were on IR thus the need to add Phillips and Jefferson.  I think the DB situation was a little better in 2023 and 2024(perhaps not much after the Bishop injury in TC).  At this point I have them keeping both Hancock and Strong from the rookie class. Also if the KR is a CB again that's another spot needed for the DBs.

 

As I said above they probably get to 10 after the suspensions are over.  

 

Best way to carry 10 DL for week 1, is to get rid of Trubisky and just go with two QBs.

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

14 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ended the season is different than the initial 53 which is what I posted.  It was 10 each of those years for week 1.   In 2024 both Smoot and Carter were on IR thus the need to add Phillips and Jefferson.  I think the DB situation was a little better in 2023 and 2024(perhaps not much after the Bishop injury in TC).  At this point I have them keeping both Hancock and Strong from the rookie class. Also if the KR is a CB again that's another spot needed for the DBs.

 

As I said above they probably get to 10 after the suspensions are over.  

 

Best way to carry 10 DL for week 1, is to get rid of Trubisky and just go with two QBs.

 

Smoot and Carter both came back and they still kept the guys they added. Again, 2023 was only 10 bc Von was on PUP. When he came back, they added him and removed no one. So it would have been 11 if he weren't hurt. Either way, you're pointing at 10 to start the year in 23 and 24 v. the 11 they ended with both years to somehow argue... 9? I don't get it. I would literally bet you dollars to donuts that we'll not be keeping 9 to start the year.

 

Again, you can easily do what you're saying at DB and keep 10 DL. It's not that difficult. Like I said, my 53 right now has 10 on the DL and 11 DB's.

 

As for cutting Trubisky and keeping 2 QB's, we haven't carried 3 QB's to start a season since 2020. We generally always carry 2 QB's.

Edited 4 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[YattaOkasan]

17 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ended the season is different than the initial 53 which is what I posted.  It was 10 each of those years for week 1.   In 2024 both Smoot and Carter were on IR thus the need to add Phillips and Jefferson.  I think the DB situation was a little better in 2023 and 2024(perhaps not much after the Bishop injury in TC).  At this point I have them keeping both Hancock and Strong from the rookie class. Also if the KR is a CB again that's another spot needed for the DBs.

 

As I said above they probably get to 10 after the suspensions are over.  

 

Best way to carry 10 DL for week 1, is to get rid of Trubisky and just go with two QBs.

 

 

Kick returns were Ty Johnson and ray Davis last year. If you mean coddrington then yes that’s a CB for punt returns. A roster spot for only punt returns is a waste imo. You gotta do something besides that one thing. It’s like a kick off specialist used to be. Moore or shakir would both be better use of a roster spot. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Smoot and Carter both came back and they still kept the guys they added. Again, 2023 was only 10 bc Von was on PUP. When he came back, they added him and removed no one. So it would have been 11 if he weren't hurt. Either way, you're pointing at 10 to start the year in 23 and 24 v. the 11 they ended with both years to somehow argue... 9? I don't get it. I would literally bet you dollars to donuts that we'll not be keeping 9 to start the year.

 

Again, you can easily do what you're saying at DB and keep 10 DL. It's not that difficult. As for cutting Trubisky and keeping 2 QB's, we haven't carried 3 QB's to start a season since 2020. We generally always carry 2 QB's.

LOL.  We literally just had three QB's to end the season last year.  You keep switching on me.  

 

Anyways just for fun I will make a $90 contribution payable to your favorite charity if they have 9 DL on the final 53 roster at the end of training camp.  And if they have 10 or more I will pay $100 to your favorite charity.  No downside for you!  

Just now, YattaOkasan said:

Kick returns were Ty Johnson and ray Davis last year. If you mean coddrington then yes that’s a CB for punt returns. A roster spot for only punt returns is a waste imo. You gotta do something besides that one thing. It’s like a kick off specialist used to be. Moore or shakir would both be better use of a roster spot. 

Correct. I meant Punt return.

And I agree 100%.  The return guy should at least be serviceable on offense or defense.   

[iccrewman112]

5 hours ago, appoo said:

depends on what they're gonna do with the 5.5M

529 plan for Josh and Hailee’s first born. That poor kid will never qualify for financial aid.

[DeepPass]

5 hours ago, Pete said:

A good chance due to play and cap savings.  We would be light at One Tech then.  Still 50/50 shot IMO, depending on which DaQuan shows up for camp.  I bet Espeneza gets traded too.  We gain cap savings, and its a numbers game.  D would get younger, faster, and cheaper

who would want Epenesa & what would he bring in a trade?  A 6th or 7th round pick MAYBE!  Keep DeQuan this year and hopefully the kids learn from him - his good stuff!

[Thurman#1]

A candidate? Without question. 

 

Certainly a reasonable possibility, if he doesn't start playing more like the old Daquan. But keeping him is also a very reasonable possibility.