Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I didn't.

 

I was implying we are at a coaching disadvantage every January when we play the Chiefs which is why our defense is regularly awful in those games.

Every team in the league is bs the chiefs. The eagles were.  The bengals were.  The bucs were.  They beat them

Edited Tuesday at 08:26 PM by NewEra

[FireChans]

Just now, NewEra said:

Every team in the league is bs the chiefs. The eagles were.  The bengals were.  The bucs were.  They beat them

Every single one of those teams isn't 0-4 with one of their worst defensive performances of the year against them. Exactly my point. 

 

Of that list of defensive coordinators, we are taking McD last to coach against Reid in the postseason, right?

[NewEra]

Your point is because he hasn’t, he can’t. I disgaree

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Your point is because he hasn’t, he can’t. I disgaree

My point is he's had 4 chances and hasn't, so I'm not confident that he can, especially in comparison to 4 other guys who have. 

 

Here's hoping the fifth time is the charm. If not, then maybe the 6th or 7th time will be. 

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

My point is he's had 4 chances and hasn't, so I'm not confident that he can, especially in comparison to 4 other guys who have. 

 

Here's hoping the fifth time is the charm. If not, then maybe the 6th or 7th time will be. 

There’s a lot of grey in between having zero confidence, as you originally stated, to being confidant

[Buffalo716]

39 minutes ago, NewEra said:

There’s a lot of grey in between having zero confidence, as you originally stated, to being confidant

When we finally win the big one he'll be the first one to say he always believed in McDermott! 

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

There’s a lot of grey in between having zero confidence, as you originally stated, to being confidant

I have next to zero confidence. Good for you if you feel differently. I hope guys like Dawkins and Josh share your confidence when they suit up to face the Chiefs again. But my suspicion is that some folks in that locker room feel like "here we go again," at this point. 

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

When we finally win the big one he'll be the first one to say he always believed in McDermott! 

Nah, but a decade from now, if we look back on Beane and McD like they look at Rivera and Gettleman in Carolina, I'll expect an apology. 

[Buffalo716]

34 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I have next to zero confidence. Good for you if you feel differently. I hope guys like Dawkins and Josh share your confidence when they suit up to face the Chiefs again. But my suspicion is that some folks in that locker room feel like "here we go again," at this point. 

 

Nah, but a decade from now, if we look back on Beane and McD like they look at Rivera and Gettleman in Carolina, I'll expect an apology. 

Ah yes Rivera and his 497 winning percentage 

 

Sean McDermott is literally top 15 all time if you take modern NFL coaches 

 

Nobody would take Ron Rivera over Sean McDermott 

 

You seem to always forget that winning the super bowl in the NFL is a combination of coaching talent luck healthiness 

 

Dan Marino is the best pure quarterback in the history of the game and he never won... Jeff hostetler and Mark rypien have super bowls lol

 

Sean McDermott gets credit for helping Josh Allen develop... How many insanely talented quarterbacks bust? How many raw quarterbacks bust? 

 

Sean has been there since day one and been a calming coaching influence and the type of guy that lets young players grow

Edited yesterday at 01:19 AM by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

40 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I have next to zero confidence. Good for you if you feel differently. I hope guys like Dawkins and Josh share your confidence when they suit up to face the Chiefs again. But my suspicion is that some folks in that locker room feel like "here we go again," at this point. 

 

Nah, but a decade from now, if we look back on Beane and McD like they look at Rivera and Gettleman in Carolina, I'll expect an apology. 

I just don’t think that past games have much say in the future.  Mcd is a good coach.  Better than the haters think.  I believe that he’ll have his day.  

15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Ah yes Rivera and his 497 winning percentage 

 

Sean McDermott is literally top 15 all time if you take modern NFL coaches 

 

Nobody would take Ron Rivera over Sean McDermott 

 

You seem to always forget that winning the super bowl in the NFL is a combination of coaching talent luck healthiness 

 

Dan Marino is the best pure quarterback in the history of the game and he never won... Jeff hostetler and Mark rypien have super bowls lol

 

Sean McDermott gets credit for helping Josh Allen develop... How many insanely talented quarterbacks bust? How many raw quarterbacks bust? 

 

Sean has been there since day one and been a calming coaching influence and the type of guy that lets young players grow

All perfectly said my man

[C.Biscuit97]

Kinda hated the Coleman pick. But I’m willing to give him a full nfl offseason before I’m going to write him off. Honestly, kinda freely to look at a 2nd round pick as money in your pocket.

52 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Ah yes Rivera and his 497 winning percentage 

 

Sean McDermott is literally top 15 all time if you take modern NFL coaches 

 

Nobody would take Ron Rivera over Sean McDermott 

 

You seem to always forget that winning the super bowl in the NFL is a combination of coaching talent luck healthiness 

 

Dan Marino is the best pure quarterback in the history of the game and he never won... Jeff hostetler and Mark rypien have super bowls lol

 

Sean McDermott gets credit for helping Josh Allen develop... How many insanely talented quarterbacks bust? How many raw quarterbacks bust? 

 

Sean has been there since day one and been a calming coaching influence and the type of guy that lets young players grow

The ring culture has ruined sports. Guys who are in the 1% of their fields, who are amazing at that level are “losers” if they don’t win a SB or championship. You get coaches fired 2 years after winning a championship. It’s insane. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Ah yes Rivera and his 497 winning percentage 

 

Sean McDermott is literally top 15 all time if you take modern NFL coaches 

 

Nobody would take Ron Rivera over Sean McDermott 

 

You seem to always forget that winning the super bowl in the NFL is a combination of coaching talent luck healthiness 

 

Dan Marino is the best pure quarterback in the history of the game and he never won... Jeff hostetler and Mark rypien have super bowls lol

 

Sean McDermott gets credit for helping Josh Allen develop... How many insanely talented quarterbacks bust? How many raw quarterbacks bust? 

 

Sean has been there since day one and been a calming coaching influence and the type of guy that lets young players grow

Ol Riverboat had a much better winning percentage in Carolina when Cam was at his peak.

 

The point was not Rivera vs McD, the point was that Rivera and Gettleman had a prime specimen at QB, made it to one Super Bowl, and pretty much underachieved up to and including the quality of team they built around him.  And the second time and injuries caught up with Cam, the carousel stopped, and they all got fired.

 

Ron gets credit for developing Cam, right?

 

The best thing for Sean McDermott to do is to retire when Josh does to preserve his precious winning percentage. He signs a 5 year deal with the Browns to turn them around next, and he'll drop out of the top 15 like a rocket.

 

I'm concerned we will be convinced that McD and co wasted prime Josh Allen and underachieved. Just like Miami failed Marino. And like I said, I'll expect an apology.

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I just don’t think that past games have much say in the future.

Do you think losing to the Chiefs over and over in the playoffs has any effect on the players?

Edited yesterday at 03:14 AM by FireChans

[Big Blitz]

If we had to start again there is legit only one coach in the league I’d take over McD - assuming Reid is done after KC.   
 

That’s McVay.  
 

That’s my list.  That’s the only coach I’d feel comfortable hiring for Josh.  
 

Then it’s Joe Brady.  If you’re asking me to pick from OCs.  But he’ll be coaching Cincy in 2026.  

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

Every single one of those teams isn't 0-4 with one of their worst defensive performances of the year against them. Exactly my point. 

 

Of that list of defensive coordinators, we are taking McD last to coach against Reid in the postseason, right?

 

No. You can make an argument for Fangio. But I'd take McDermott above Anarumo and Bowles. Of course the difference is McDermott has only actually coordinated one defense against KC in the playoffs. And it was in 2023.

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

Ol Riverboat had a much better winning percentage in Carolina when Cam was at his peak.

 

The point was not Rivera vs McD, the point was that Rivera and Gettleman had a prime specimen at QB, made it to one Super Bowl, and pretty much underachieved up to and including the quality of team they built around him.  And the second time and injuries caught up with Cam, the carousel stopped, and they all got fired.

 

Ron gets credit for developing Cam, right?

 

The best thing for Sean McDermott to do is to retire when Josh does to preserve his precious winning percentage. He signs a 5 year deal with the Browns to turn them around next, and he'll drop out of the top 15 like a rocket.

 

I'm concerned we will be convinced that McD and co wasted prime Josh Allen and underachieved. Just like Miami failed Marino. And like I said, I'll expect an apology.

Do you think losing to the Chiefs over and over in the playoffs has any effect on the players?

I don’t think it has an affect on the outcome of the next game.  

[SoTier]

15 hours ago, FireChans said:

I didn't.

 

I was implying we are at a coaching disadvantage every January when we play the Chiefs which is why our defense is regularly awful in those games.

 

McDermott didn't have the same defense in the last 2 playoff games against the Chiefs.  Coaching can only go so far when the defense is limited by injuries (2023) and a lack of talent (2024), but continue pushing your agenda against him since you seem to need a convenient whipping boy.  McDermott is going nowhere in the foreseeable future.   

Edited yesterday at 11:50 AM by SoTier

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

McDermott didn't have the same defense in the last 2 playoff games against the Chiefs.  Coaching can only go so far when the defense is limited by injuries (2023) and a lack of talent (2024), but continue pushing your agenda against him since you seem to need a convenient whipping boy.  McDermott is going nowhere in the foreseeable future.   

I'm not sure what "not the same defense" means but okay.

 

I know McD is going nowhere. We have folks on here calling him a top 15 coach in modern history with a HoF QB and 2 AFC finalist banners lol. 

 

My question is what do we think is more likely two years from now?  0-6 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs or 2-4 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs?

 

I know my answer. @NewEra what do you got?

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, FireChans said:

My question is what do we think is more likely two years from now?  0-6 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs or 2-4 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs?

 

I know my answer. @NewEra what do you got?

 

Honestly if they are the two options I lean 2-4. I'd pick 1-5 if it were an option but these games are so close year on year (with the exception of the first one) that I find it difficult not to see the Bills getting a break one year. 

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Honestly if they are the two options I lean 2-4. I'd pick 1-5 if it were an option but these games are so close year on year (with the exception of the first one) that I find it difficult not to see the Bills getting a break one year. 

I think it's totally fair to feel that way. 

 

I disagree completely, but I think that's fine.

 

At this point, I feel like we are spinning our wheels. We have the same conversations about desperate team needs at critical positions in what feels like every offseason (DL and WR), we have the same conversations about bad luck vs injuries vs coaching being the root cause of the latest defensive no-show in our latest playoff defeat and every year, Josh gets a bit more older and a bit more banged up.

 

Cam Newton's last year of performing at a just "good" level was at 30.  Not every QB is going to be Brady and play until 45. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, FireChans said:

I think it's totally fair to feel that way. 

 

I disagree completely, but I think that's fine.

 

At this point, I feel like we are spinning our wheels. We have the same conversations about desperate team needs at critical positions in what feels like every offseason (DL and WR), we have the same conversations about bad luck vs injuries vs coaching being the root cause of the latest defensive no-show in our latest playoff defeat and every year, Josh gets a bit more older and a bit more banged up.

 

Cam Newton's last year of performing at a just "good" level was at 30.  Not every QB is going to be Brady and play until 45. 

 

Because the truth of it is it's never as easy as one thing. Even 13 seconds which was overwhelmingly a coaching fail, in order for it to play out the way it did it still required the UDFA they were starting a corner to misplay his assignment. Football is just too complex to pin point a single point of failure. 

[BarleyNY]

17 hours ago, NewEra said:

Every team in the league is bs the chiefs. The eagles were.  The bengals were.  The bucs were.  They beat them

The Eagles out-coached KC in the SB. And it was not close. While Fangio is every bit as good as Spags at DC, I don’t think that many of us thought Moore would out-coach Reid. But Reid’s game plan was trash while Moore’s was quite good. Reid stupidly ran plays that were easily covered by the scheme with which the Eagles had dominated all season. To make matters worse he didn’t change it up until the second half. By then it was too late.