Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[Pete]

48 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Toughen up champ 

lol I’m plenty tough.  Notice I still post about Dalton and Coleman- I get the usual suspects ad hominem attacks.  

[DJB]

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, balln said:

Weird everyone @GunnerBill keeps telling me Ladd is a slot / couldn’t be drafted by the bills/ not outside / not vertical threat. 
 

Nonsense. Beane whiffed. Gets so caught up on role / position type / fit/ culture. Just draft BPA man. 
 

Ladd was a polished , professional NFL wr with good ras and good production at the best school/ conf in the country 

 

instead we went with a completely rough basketball player , who looks awkward and quite frankly isn’t that great at contested catches 

 

He is not a boundary receiver. 

 

I do agree with you on Coleman though. Always have. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

lol I’m plenty tough.  Notice I still post about Dalton and Coleman- I get the usual suspects ad hominem attacks.  

If you were plenty tough, you wouldn’t constantly bring up how people combat your opinion on the matter on a message board made for doing exactly that.  Jmo

[Pete]

Check out the instant reaction to Keon Coleman pick.  19 likes, 32 vomits, 19 thumbs down, 3 roll eyes.  Bills Mafia had better WR ideas than Beane that day

[Pete]

 

[NewEra]

41 minutes ago, Pete said:

Check out the instant reaction to Keon Coleman pick.  19 likes, 32 vomits, 19 thumbs down, 3 roll eyes.  Bills Mafia had better WR ideas than Beane that day

 

28 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

Great post!  You should post them again next week.  And every other week after. 
 

I didn’t want Keon either.  But you’re acting like his career is already over.  He had one solid 1/2 season, got injured, then had a bad end of the season/playoffs after injury.  Jury is still out

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

Great post!  You should post them again next week.  And every other week after. 
 

I didn’t want Keon either.  But you’re acting like his career is already over.  He had one solid 1/2 season, got injured, then had a bad end of the season/playoffs after injury.  Jury is still out

I’m hopeful for Coleman and Dalton, and seriously hope I eat my words.  I want both to succeed!  I hated the Coleman pick, and know that the coveted 33rd draft slot would get a premium trade return.

 

Keon is so likeable.  I was pleasantly surprised how well he played the first half of the season.  But IMO to toughen up.  He checked out after the hit.  He often ran lazy routes, and seemed disinterested. If we get the first 9 games Keon, and we can build him up, that is awesome.  But if we get the Keon we saw in playoffs and second half of the season, that was a bad selection, with a huge opportunity cost.

 

Dalton - I loved the selection.  He had a nice rookie season.  Nothing sensational.

I, like everyone else, thought Dalton was going to have a great 2nd season.  I would focus on Dalton, on most plays.  It was meh game after meh game.  Dalton has many big drops, including the biggest.  Most every football fan knows David Tyree’s name because made a play.
 

To me, he does appear open, but at that point, Josh already progressed.  Way too many times Dalton would be wide open, diving for a ball.  Sometimes it was Josh, but not every time. I’m not sure what’s up with those 2.  My gut feeling is Dalton Zigs when Josh throws to Zags.  I have watched some film breakdowns and Dalton does draw a lot of coverage from opposing Ds.  So opposing teams respect Dalton.  

Knee injuries are no joke, and I give Dalton respect for playing with a PCL tear.  So that definitely affected Dalton success.  Show me Dalton and Keon.  Prove me wrong- that would make me very happy!

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I will be sure to have plenty of popcorn ready, just like last year, when we get to see everyones spin attempts and backpedaling again this season when the offense once again is elite after another offseason of doom and gloom from the usual suspects.  

 

 

You should worry about the receipts you leave around first.

 

Remember when you started that thread guaranteeing the Bills would reach the AFCCG late in the 2023 season?   

 

Or when you started your Shakir thread and included things like extrapolating his 2023 15.7 yards per catch number as if there were any chance he was going to replicate that from the slot with a greater target share in 2024.    He predictably dropped to just 10.8 yards per catch.    

 

I know that when pressed by yours truly, you put in the fine print later that a mere 900 yard season would justify your hyperbole about how great he was going to be but that's just how you roll.    

 

Aim high, shoot low and claim a bullseye.

 

Last offseason in the "quietly better" thread those of us who expressed concern about the quality of the WR corps were near universal in expecting the Bills offense to be good in 2023.    

 

As people like @Kirby Jackson and myself said numerous times that they should still be a top 5 offense regardless.   Because Josh Allen is great and they could always generate points in the regular season if they are willing to let the still prime athletic age Allen run 100+ times per year.    It was proven by the results of 2023 after Brady took over.

 

The question is do they have the playmakers in the passing game to win big road games and playoff games?

 

Just like the issue wasn't whether the Bills Leslie Frazier top ranked and second ranked 2020-2021 defense's were good enough in the regular season.

 

The question was did they have enough playmakers(specifically pass rushers) to win in the postseason.

 

The people who got to flash the receipts last year were those of us who knew the WR corps wasn't going to be good enough against top competition and that Beane would be forced to make a trade to try to remedy it.   

 

 

[SoTier]

How long are some TBD posters going to keep beating the same dead horse?

 

The Bills didn't draft McConkey or trade up to get Thomas.  Deal with it.   All your continual whining changes nothing. 

 

[DJB]

27 minutes ago, SoTier said:

How long are some TBD posters going to keep beating the same dead horse?

 

The Bills didn't draft McConkey or trade up to get Thomas.  Deal with it.   All your continual whining changes nothing. 

 

 

How is it any different from those that defend Beane and or the Coleman selection?

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, DJB said:

 

How is it any different from those that defend Beane and or the Coleman selection?

 

Nobody has started a thread defending Beane or Coleman and has refused to let this thread fade away.  

 

[NewEra]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

 

The people who got to flash the receipts last year were those of us who knew the WR corps wasn't going to be good enough against top competition and that Beane would be forced to make a trade to try to remedy it.   

 

 

The other people who got to flash receipts are those that said we didn’t have enough pass rush and said that our defense would inevitably lead to our downfall if we didn’t win a SB.  
 

WR wasn’t the main reason we didn’t win a Super Bowl.  

10 hours ago, SoTier said:

How long are some TBD posters going to keep beating the same dead horse?

 

The Bills didn't draft McConkey or trade up to get Thomas.  Deal with it.   All your continual whining changes nothing. 

 

 

[finn]

11 hours ago, SoTier said:

How long are some TBD posters going to keep beating the same dead horse?

 

The Bills didn't draft McConkey or trade up to get Thomas.  Deal with it.   All your continual whining changes nothing. 

 

Well, as with life in general, the hair-pulling and regrets do have the benefit of helping avoid similar mistakes in the future, at least supposedly. Maybe evolution selected for such a high-degree of guilt, bitterness and regret in our species because it takes that much to penetrate our thick skull to not make the same mistake twice. I assume Beane has an outcomes-assessment review in place where his staff considers why they made the mistakes they did, going back years. I'm sure it's more efficient than hundreds of pages of posts declaring how idiotic certain picks were. But, given the thick-skulls theory, maybe reading through the thorough roasting here is what it would take to persuade him not to draft players like Boogie Basham and Cody Ford. 

 

In any even, go Keon! I really, really do not want to spend the next ten years despairing how we could have had Ladd or Xavier.

[SoTier]

28 minutes ago, finn said:

Well, as with life in general, the hair-pulling and regrets do have the benefit of helping avoid similar mistakes in the future, at least supposedly. Maybe evolution selected for such a high-degree of guilt, bitterness and regret in our species because it takes that much to penetrate our thick skull to not make the same mistake twice. I assume Beane has an outcomes-assessment review in place where his staff considers why they made the mistakes they did, going back years. I'm sure it's more efficient than hundreds of pages of posts declaring how idiotic certain picks were. But, given the thick-skulls theory, maybe reading through the thorough roasting here is what it would take to persuade him not to draft players like Boogie Basham and Cody Ford. 

 

In any even, go Keon! I really, really do not want to spend the next ten years despairing how we could have had Ladd or Xavier.

 

The draft is a crap shoot.  First and second rounders bust all the time.  How many TSW sages were convinced that Beane drafted the "Wrong Josh"?    I missed out on being in that group only because I wanted a) Baker Mayfield or b) Lamar Jackson.   Nobody really knows how these kids are going to turn out.  

 

BTW, Cody Ford is still playing in the NFL.  The Browns recently re-signed him for 2025 IIRC.  

[Pete]

16 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The draft is a crap shoot.  First and second rounders bust all the time.  How many TSW sages were convinced that Beane drafted the "Wrong Josh"?    I missed out on being in that group only because I wanted a) Baker Mayfield or b) Lamar Jackson.   Nobody really knows how these kids are going to turn out.  

 

BTW, Cody Ford is still playing in the NFL.  The Browns recently re-signed him for 2025 IIRC.  

Bills selected Cody Ford with 39th pick.  He didn’t fit our scheme or culture, so no use to us. AJ Brown went 51 and DK Metcalf went 64.  Bills have been whiffing on many excellent WR draft opportunities since McDermott/Beane 

 

TSW sages were pounding the table for AJ Brown or DK Metcalf, and outraged when we didn’t select or trade up for either one.  The receipts are here.  Search back to 2019 draft and marvel at TSW sages recognizing that our draft board was 1 AJ, 2 DJ, clearly above any other player.  It was obvious!

Edited 17 hours ago by Pete

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The draft is a crap shoot.  First and second rounders bust all the time.  How many TSW sages were convinced that Beane drafted the "Wrong Josh"?    I missed out on being in that group only because I wanted a) Baker Mayfield or b) Lamar Jackson.   Nobody really knows how these kids are going to turn out.  

 

BTW, Cody Ford is still playing in the NFL.  The Browns recently re-signed him for 2025 IIRC.  

 

Bengals

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

The other people who got to flash receipts are those that said we didn’t have enough pass rush and said that our defense would inevitably lead to our downfall if we didn’t win a SB.  
 

WR wasn’t the main reason we didn’t win a Super Bowl.  

Man. After 8 years, the pass rush is never good enough to win a Superbowl and the receiving options aren't good enough to win a Superbowl. Brutal.

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Man. After 8 years, the pass rush is never good enough to win a Superbowl and the receiving options aren't good enough to win a Superbowl. Brutal.

so brutal 

[2003Contenders]

22 hours ago, DJB said:

 

Considering his size and basketball background, I could absolutely see Keon being successful in that role if he toughens up and uses proper leverage and nuance to block out defenders. I also thought that -- admittedly with a limited sample size -- he was somewhat effective as a rookie with screens/bubble routes. That is an element that had been missing from the Bills' passing game in recent years (Diggs was terrible at them)